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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 4:51:46 AM

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Please give my best to Jewel and Scooter.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 5:20:44 AM

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Slavery is just what it says ... slavery. You are OWNED, you do NOT make decisions for yourself. Some work, but only if their Owner tells them that they may. They eat, sleep, watch whatever their OWNER tells them to.

A sub ... has a choice and often only spends a few hours with their 'Master'. If it's a live in subbie, they are still autonomous, slaves generally aren't.

Both work, but ... both ARE work.

Being *owned* means that you belong to someone.

It doesn't mean that you make no decisions for yourself. I'd say it means that you're *answerable*.

Decisions such as what to eat, wear or watch don't have anything to do with being *owned*. They MAY do but they certainly may not, either.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 5:23:53 AM

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I like your answer; it is often true that those who have never lived as a slave have no real clue as to what the reality entails.

My Mistress wants a male subbie, i do serve her but i also serve Master and take care of the home and stuff so two live in slaves would be better, plus i lack the needed equipment for certain types of play, so i have been searching along with her.

Between the two of us some of the questions or list of desires we get set us to rolling on the floor, here are a few examples;

Slave-"I want to serve you naked 24/7, do all my chores in the nude or in a chastity device, or with a butt plug inserted"

Our answers-"Mowing the yard nude except for a butt plug or chastity belt could be a safety hazard, besides how do i explain that to the neighbors?"

"As we are currently renovating our Victorian house we feel using a table saw with the family jewels hanging poses a serious risk of injury"

"Seriously now, do you want to fry bacon with your cock hanging out?"

Slave-"I want to be kept in a cage all day except when you use me"

Our answer-" We too would like to lounge around all day but you cannot get much work done that way"

"So that means i have to let you out every time i want a Pepsi?"

Slave-" I want to be your toilet, i want you to use me for a doormat"

Our answer-" We currently have one full and one half bath and are in the process of adding another, we know where Home Depot is"

I sometimes get those who are trying to figure out how the household works so they ask me to describe my day, it often goes like this;

Me-" I get up at 4:45 am"

Slave" Do they have to unchain you?"

Me-"No but they are really patient about expecting intelligent conversation until i have coffee"

Slave-" Do you serve them breakfast naked or do you wear a uniform?"

Me-"Well this morning i had on my flannel snowman jammies and my fuzzy slippers"

Slave-"Why were you dressed like that ?"

Me-"Because it is 32 degrees outside!"

Now do not get me wrong, sometimes i serve them naked, sometimes Scooter wants to get a blowjob before he goes to work, i do every and any thing they wish. But like you stated normally we are living like regular folks with a few twists to it.

Too often those first looking at a 24/7 live in position have images of women in high heels and men in leather all day, flogging going on morning, noon and night; this is fantasy not reality.

I sign my inquiries to potential subbies with this line;

"Living it is different and requires love, patience and devotion."

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 5:25:48 AM

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Please give my best to Jewel and Scooter.

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Consider it done, i'm guessing you know then from somewhere.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:02:58 AM

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Please give my best to Jewel and Scooter.

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Hello Rover... long time no see!!!

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:34:53 AM

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Last night I spent untold time composing this wonderful comment on what I meant when I posted someone elses question/idea and tried to answer it. LOL the origional thread was - I'm afraid - not very well edited due to household "realities" like screaming migets and bouncing felines and other total distractions. I am normally much clearer and not prone to generalities. So - I composed this lengthy, fun response last night to everyone's wonderfull comments, hit the post button and my session promptly timed out. So I did it again. And it did it again! And I decided that it just wasn't my night. LOL

BUT - Here's a section of reality vs fantasy that was a hard core mind job when I was growing up! SANTA SAT AT MY DINNER TABLE FOR EVERY HOLIDAY. Still does! Thats right - Imagine being 8 and all your friends KNOW that Santa is mom and dad and here I am at thanksgiving dinner, santa's at the table in dress pants and a sweater eating a turkey leg! LOL My Uncle Rob is a Santa's Helper. For 30 years he's dressed as santa at christmas time. And let me tell you - during the other 345 days (he plays santa for 20 days) he STILL looks the part. Long white beard, belly of jelly and all. NOW THAT screws with a kid's sense of reality!!!!! (Hmmm Uncle Santa and Catholic schools - no wonder I'm in this lifestyle!!!!! LOL(JOKE!)

Any way - thanks to all who expressed their opinions here. Its been an awesome thread. My origional intent was not to at any point debate the definitions of submissive versus slave. It's too personal a question best left to the individual definitions of each Dom/sub relationship.

I only meant to address the following: that in most new live in slaves - submissives that want to go from living on their own to devoting their life to living with a dominant - there is a trend towards believing so deeply in the "fantasy" of BDSM oriented slavery that they are stunned, shocked, overwhelmed, and disappointed by the reality of what we refer to as TPE or 24/7. The fact that there is no realistic "24/7 permanent ON" switch sometimes really devestates those submissives. I didn't mean to suggest that ALL slaves have to work outside of the house - that was an editing mishap. What I meant was that 1) being a slave is work period. Whether the Dominant chooses to let a slave work outside the home or not, most new slaves aren't prepared for the fact that being a slave is alot of work period. Internal and external. 2) many "slaves" that I have come across have looked to slavery as a way to get out of ever having to work in the outside world. They see it as a bandaid for their laziness, fear of working, fill in the blanks. I am not suggesting all slaves do this - but I have met MANY.

I also never meant to suggest that a slave's wants are NEVER a concern. Only that while they exist, the point of slavery is that a slave/sub chooses to devote their life to the pleasure/pleasing of their dominant and part of that is that the Dominant's wants come before the submissive/slave.

Anyway, thanks for all the awesome opinions. I don't get a chance to post often and I enjoy it when I do.

TWICEHAPPY - EXACTLY!!!!! Thats what I meant by reality versus fantasy EXACTLY!

PS, don't tell Uncle Santa I said I know he's not the real santa. LOL

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:48:47 AM

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TWICEHAPPY - EXACTLY!!!!! Thats what I meant by reality versus fantasy EXACTLY!

PS, don't tell Uncle Santa I said I know he's not the real santa. LOL

Lol, thank you. I never realized until i started helping with this unicorn hunt for a male subbie that anybody thought all the things you see in porn or on the internet was real. It still amazes me.

I will not tell Uncle Santa, until they were 10 or so my kids would argue until they were blue in the face that Santa rode a Harley because a friend of mine used to ride his red chopper to the house every Christmas Eve, full real white beard and all to visit the girls and get their wish list for that night. They even convinced a few friends he did ride a motorcycle by having them over when Santa came to visit.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:51:49 AM

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TWICEHAPPY - EXACTLY!!!!! Thats what I meant by reality versus fantasy EXACTLY!

PS, don't tell Uncle Santa I said I know he's not the real santa. LOL

Lol, thank you. I never realized until i started helping with this unicorn hunt for a male subbie that anybody thought all the things you see in porn or on the internet was real. It still amazes me.

I will not tell Uncle Santa, until they were 10 or so my kids would argue until they were blue in the face that Santa rode a Harley because a friend of mine used to ride his red chopper to the house every Christmas Eve, full real white beard and all to visit the girls and get their wish list for that night. They even convinced a few friends he did ride a motorcycle by having them over when Santa came to visit.

Kind of reminds me of the "what would Jesus (whatever)?" thing

What Would Santa Ride? Given the choices available these days?

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:53:59 AM

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[...]Everything you talked about is just fantasy and the notion of consensual slavery is an oxymoron.

I will pursue brevity over a florid block of prose, for the above subject has been hashed out far more eloquently by myself and many others over so many different threads in the past: Consensual slavery can and does exist. That one sees it as an irrefutably oxymoronic concept does not negate the reality of it being lived by others.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 6:55:03 AM

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What Would Santa Ride? Given the choices available these days?

Same as he always has, a 1952 stroked out Panhead chopper painted candy apple red with a springer front end and tons of chrome.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 7:02:19 AM

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I guess next that Im going to hear that there is no Easter Bunny. By the way Santas walking this year. It's deer season here and I shot his deer. Slavery like this lifestyle is all in the mind.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 7:06:28 AM

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Twice - I think you'd be right. Have no idea what one of those looks like, but it sounds good!

How d'ya reckon he manages for insurance though?

He's never been in a collision - which should lower his premium
He only rides it once a year - which should lower his premium
He rides it in many countries of the world - which will increase his premium
He rides it extremely fast to get round all those countries - maybe invalidating his insurance

BTW - this isnt a thread hijack. After all, we're still on fantasy vs reality!
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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 8:32:03 AM

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I guess next that Im going to hear that there is no Easter Bunny. By the way Santas walking this year. It's deer season here and I shot his deer. Slavery like this lifestyle is all in the mind.

I guess that depends on who you are and who you are with.

Santa rides a Harley, did you shoot his bike as well?

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 8:52:05 AM

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Twice - I think you'd be right. Have no idea what one of those looks like, but it sounds good!

How d'ya reckon he manages for insurance though?

He's never been in a collision - which should lower his premium
He only rides it once a year - which should lower his premium
He rides it in many countries of the world - which will increase his premium
He rides it extremely fast to get round all those countries - maybe invalidating his insurance

BTW - this isnt a thread hijack. After all, we're still on fantasy vs reality!

Follow the link and click on the Christmas bike.

http://www.orangecountychoppers.com/occweb_ver2_theme1.php

Santa does not need full coverage insurance his elves do all the wrenching. If he crashes after a few too many egg nogs no worrys as he is a lifetime hog member and carries international coverage.

Who says Santa only rides once a year, lol?

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 10:08:26 AM

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I put rice in his gas tank. It's now a japanese bike.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 10:55:36 AM

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Please give my best to Jewel and Scooter.

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Hello Rover... long time no see!!!

Jewel

There goes the freaking neighborhood!

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 11:05:48 AM

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Who says Santa only rides once a year, lol?

Yes - but, his health premiums are staggeringh... cumming down all those chimneys has reated quite the friction burn that requires constant attention.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 11:17:16 AM

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Please give my best to Jewel and Scooter.

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Hello Rover... long time no see!!!

Jewel

There goes the freaking neighborhood!

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You can sure it's close to Halloween... all the freaks are out!!! It's old home week!!!

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 11:39:13 AM

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I will pursue brevity over a florid block of prose, for the above subject has been hashed out far more eloquently by myself and many others over so many different threads in the past: Consensual slavery can and does exist. That one sees it as an irrefutably oxymoronic concept does not negate the reality of it being lived by others.

I can't tell if you are arguing for or against the minimum wage here.

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RE: Slavery - reality vs fantasy - 10/12/2006 2:39:52 PM

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I only meant to address the following: that in most new live in slaves - submissives that want to go from living on their own to devoting their life to living with a dominant - there is a trend towards believing so deeply in the "fantasy" of BDSM oriented slavery that they are stunned, shocked, overwhelmed, and disappointed by the reality of what we refer to as TPE or 24/7. The fact that there is no realistic "24/7 permanent ON" switch sometimes really devestates those submissives.

That is an exceptionally salient point, and one that I wanted to make sure wasn't lost in the clutter of a popular thread. Having realistic expectations is essential for any healthy relationship, particularly so when there is no personal experience and the vast majority of online impressions are of the exceptionally over romanticized variety (which is to say nearly all online impressions).

And I can tell you that this isn't relegated to submissives, it exists in Dominants as well. I work with a local outreach group here in Pittsburgh (blatant advertisement... Pittsburgh Leather Archives for Newcomers or PLAN... http://pittsburghleather.org/index.php ) that acts as a "gateway" for those that are new to the lifestyle (or new to the area) and in search of some reliable information offered in a comfortable environment such as a local coffee house or restaurant. We endeavor to reach out personally in order to make folks feel welcome in taking those first few tentative steps out into the local real time community. To make a long story short, I'd venture to say that perhaps fifty percent (a sizeable percentage, to be sure) of those folks we meet express a fervent disappointment that we're not always dressed in leather, the submissives aren't always begging entry or exit, and we're not generally acting like some sort of clown troupe. We never see that fifty percent again, as their disappointment in reality is so complete that they retreat back to their fantasy which is (evidently) more fulfilling.

Bottom line is that realistic expectations of the lifestyle are essential, as are realistic expectations between partners in a relationship. Great insight, Ms. Draconis.

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