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unruly slave - 10/11/2006 6:05:28 PM

madamrose1

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Fellow Mistressess Ive asked a question once before on how to get My unruly slave under control, I recieved several wonderful replys. I tried 1 inpaticular with tieing him in the basement on rice and leaving him on his tippy toes hung by his balls, well I did just that!, but he pissed on it!! when I returned it was soggy and discusting I know he does these things to get My attention any other ideas to set him straight??? Help Please!! By the way I made him eat the rice!!!!!!!

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 7:04:08 PM

MagiksSlave

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Um if he is doing these things on perpose then it is his personality, if you dont wish to have a brat then send him packing but I dont see that his behavior will ever change seems that it is his personality.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 7:08:50 PM

Sissypinky

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Get a new slave.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 8:36:37 PM

DivaDuchess

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I've always been very straight forward with my slaves. If they are unruly, ignorant, screamy, cry baby, stubborn, undisciplined (beyond what training can correct) ... there are a few more ... I send them on their way. What you describe are a integral part of that person's personality. You're not going to change him.

Hmmm ... if he needs a way to get your attention, attach a cow bell to his balls (I personally use a small, thin chain). Stand him naked in a corner until he feels the burning urge to be in your presence. Tell him to simply jump up and down when the urge hits. In the meantime, that cowbell will play hell with his balls, but he'll have your attention, now won't he?

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 8:43:34 PM

DiurnalVampire

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A boy that unruly seems to be a waste of time. You do not exist to make him happy, it should be vice versa. How to make that point to him, though , I cant say. If he is that concerned with getting your attention, then no matter what the punishment is, he will endure it and mess with it a bit just so you are at your wits end again. He's flexing his muscles and trying to maintain control. Sounds like he needs to be handled with the one thing he couldnt stand. Ignore him.
If he is so desperate for your attention, then dont give it to him. Put him in his room, leave him to his own devices for hours, and pretend he doesnt exist.
Maybe that wil work.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 8:55:49 PM

theRose4U

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I ran across one like this tonight and after 3 progressively ruder emails found himself blocked with a suggestion that he get back on his medication before stepping outside again.
Boy claimed to be submissive and advertised himself in full mummification (lot of work on the part of the dominant). I mention some of my favorites including domestic service and he goes on a rant about "weal dommes don't want that", "weal dommes want to whip and bind their submissives, only slaves are bitches that do housework and I'm obviously not experienced because my kink isn't just like his, blah blah blah rant rave piss moan". The reality is that he gets cut off... Not interested. If the little boy wants to piss himself trying to tell me my kink doesn't work because it's not what HE wants...OHHH HEEEEELLLL NO.

If your kink is making him piss himself then eat it more power to ya. It's too much un-necessary work for a bad outcome to me. I prefer my boys appreciative and obedient.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 10:30:22 PM

undergroundsea

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quote:

ORIGINAL: madamrose1

Fellow Mistressess Ive asked a question once before on how to get My unruly slave under control, I recieved several wonderful replys. I tried 1 inpaticular with tieing him in the basement on rice and leaving him on his tippy toes hung by his balls, well I did just that!, but he pissed on it!! when I returned it was soggy and discusting I know he does these things to get My attention any other ideas to set him straight??? Help Please!! By the way I made him eat the rice!!!!!!!

I think what is relevant is how you perceive his unruly behavior.

From your post I sense it is a mental sparring of sorts in more a playful spirit than a negative spirit. And I sense you enjoy the opportunity for creativity and to break him.

If it is in a playful spirit and you both enjoy, that is great. If instead you truly feel angry and disrespected, I think the type of punishments you are currently using will not be effective. If you do feel angry, I think a first step might be to communicate to him that you do not see his actions in a playful light in case he thinks it is playful and that you enjoy his brattiness.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 10:46:01 PM

MsKatHouston

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If you really want him to stop, don't play with him in a manner he enjoys. It seems like he enjoys the punishments a bit too much. What does he not like? If he wants attention so badly, do not give it to him. If he continues with behavior that is truly undesired, move on. If you like a bit of a sammy sub, though, just get creative and enjoy yourself :)

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 10:56:16 PM

MistressDolly

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Oh honey, lock it up, lock it up, lock it up.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/11/2006 11:50:03 PM

undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: MistressDolly

Oh honey, lock it up, lock it up, lock it up.

<feigning the most naive face possible> I am not convinced depersonalizing him by calling him an it, and putting him in a cage will help much.

;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 12:03:26 AM

TomNE

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As a bit of an attention whore of a subbmissive myself, I'd suggest ignoring him for 24 hours. It was only done to me once...and once only....and I never made that mistake again.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 4:54:26 AM

Lashra

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Stand him naked in the corner and ignore him for a few hours. Tell him if he is going to act like a spoiled brat then he will be treated like one. Tell him how disappointed you are in him, this alone drives must subs to better their behavior. If all else fails time to trade him in on a new model.

Good Luck,
~Lashra

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 5:15:39 AM

LadyEllen

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Given the way out of whack proportion of dommes to sub males - I have to wonder why you are putting up with this stuff, if its a problem for you.

He seems to want your attention at all times, for his own benefit rather than yours. He needs to learn that your attention is contingent on your benefit from it. So yes, I'd say putting him in the "ignore" corner might work. Blindfold him and gag him so he cant bother you when he's not needed for your benefit. Leave him there for a long period to start with and then release him only when you need him - once finished with him, return him to the ignore corner again. Gradually shorten the period on ignore over time. The instant he starts repeating any behaviour you dont want, return to the longer period again. The aim being to get it into his head that he is there for you, he is not there for him, and that thinking the latter only results in unfulfilment whilst the former means he gets to have some attention, but on your terms. Its a bit like training a puppy, but there you go.

If he doesnt like it, well chuck him. Plenty more out there who would.
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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 5:51:15 AM

jimbo747

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quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDolly

Oh honey, lock it up, lock it up, lock it up.

<feigning the most naive face possible> I am not convinced depersonalizing him by calling him an it, and putting him in a cage will help much.

;-)

Cheers,

Sea

Ease up, Certain it's: ".....Cock lock up"
;-)

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:06:21 AM

MisPandora

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quote:

ORIGINAL: madamrose1

Fellow Mistressess Ive asked a question once before on how to get My unruly slave under control, I recieved several wonderful replys. I tried 1 inpaticular with tieing him in the basement on rice and leaving him on his tippy toes hung by his balls, well I did just that!, but he pissed on it!! when I returned it was soggy and discusting I know he does these things to get My attention any other ideas to set him straight??? Help Please!! By the way I made him eat the rice!!!!!!!

Part of what we as dominas forget is how we contribute, by action or inaction, to a slave's behavior. I hope you really didn't "leave" him there. That's terribly irresponsible! He could have slipped and ripped his balls clean off. Perhaps that's the reason WHY he pissed on the rice is that you LEFT HIM THERE unsupervised.

Address the manner that you provide him discipline. He obviously needs to be closely supervised, or completely removed from your presence and ignored (but that doesn't address your shortcomings that may be contributing to his mess.) I would not be giving him ANY play at all if he can't be respectful. The most important part to corrective action is to point out the unwanted behavior, feed back to him what you expected and how it disappointed you, and then explain what is going to happen to him as a result. Exceptional communication may help you facilitate him getting back on the correct path.

If he's not "rehabilitation material", he'd be one to quickly consider for the trash bin. If he cares not to be respectful, it'll only take a few tries to see if he'll shape up. You don't need that sort of disrespect and nonsense.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:23:53 AM

MissyRane

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I just say why bother keeping a slave like that

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:26:15 AM

MisPandora

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I just say why bother keeping a slave like that

Because I can clearly see her enabling him to BE that way. If she was doing everything right and he still had a case of the ass, I'd be the first one to tell her to toss him to the curb and not look back. I think my posting history speaks for itself in terms of how I don't tolerate that sort of shitty behavior.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:36:02 AM

MistressDolly

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quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDolly

Oh honey, lock it up, lock it up, lock it up.

<feigning the most naive face possible> I am not convinced depersonalizing him by calling him an it, and putting him in a cage will help much.

;-)

Cheers,

Sea

Hi undergroundsea, I realize you don't know me, so giving me the benefit of the doubt wouldn't be something you would contemplate off hand, but, no sweetie, I am not calling him a "thing". Goodness! I believe all of us should be respected and all of us deserve to be happy.

That being said, I meant putting him in chastity.

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:37:26 AM

MistressDolly

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Hi again, there could be a number of reasons why he's unruly: could be topping from the bottom, could really just be unruly b/c it's the nature of his callow personality, or maybe he's heart really isn't in it, ie, he's not truly submissive. I'm sure there can be other reasons as well. Maybe he's being unruly b/c he's attempting to engender from you certain repercussions, eg, he may like to be spanked and to get you to spank him (if you do) he'll act out. Communicate with him and find out whether this is true. If so, tell him his needs are important to you but you don't consider topping from the bottom a reasonable way to get what he desires. Ask him to keep a daily journal in which he writes out his feelings. Read it and discuss it with him. Or maybe he isn't topping from the bottom, he just needs more intensive discipline and training. Find ways to get a little more strict with him and increase the discipline. Or maybe his heart really isn't in it as much as his brain says he is. One way to explore whether this is the case, is to try giving him daily rituals and monitor whether he follows through consistently. For example, have him get down and kiss your pretty little feet each and every day, have him wear a ribbon around his cock daily, have him always stand up when you get up from the table, etc. If he follows through consistently, that may be a pretty good indicator his is in fact serious, in which case, I would just get stricter and increase the discipline. Maybe draw up a point system in which he can earn or loose points according to his behavior. Earned points = rewards, lost points = punishments or no fun and games. I have always found locking his precious tool up, works well. Good luck!

< Message edited by MistressDolly -- 10/12/2006 7:43:13 AM >

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RE: unruly slave - 10/12/2006 7:42:11 AM

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He sounds more like a spoiled child than a slave.

I wouldn't be with a person like that myself.

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