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Pulpsmack -> RE: The US and guns (10/13/2006 4:08:45 AM)
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
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ORIGINAL: dombill32
The ease with which someone can get there hands on these types of weapons is one of the more serious issues dealing with guns in the US. Guerrilla comanders in Bosnia where sending people over to the US during the war there in the 90's to buy military grade weapons from private dealers here and ship them back to equip their fighters.
Yep. People really need assault weapons to protect their home from burglars and stop themselves being mugged and raped. Ghengis Khan is obviously alive and well and living in the US.
The other nonsense put forward in supporting guns is the idea that people are protecting themselves from government abuse of power. What are they going to do, dig a trench around their house for when the marines attack? If revolution happens, the danger will more likely come from a fellow citizen you think is your friend than from a government, such is the nature of such things.
I think American gun culture is the reason for all the over reaction of American forces. The whole macho stance of wearing sunglasses and standing like John Wayne and an over reliance on hardwear rather than human contact that occupied people find so provocative.
Glad to see the most obtuse posts of the thread were lumped together so they can be addressed simultaneously.
Dombill...
The warlords that chose US weapons did so for their superior characteristics, not because they were particularly easy to get. If you want easy, cheap, and reliable, you can get Warsaw Pact weapons (SKS and AK-47 rifles, Drugunov sniper rifles, as well as RPGs) for bottom-barrel prices. The point is that the United States congress may amend the constitution to drop the 2nd amendment and ban all manufacture and sales to anyone but US military and law enforcement, but that won't change much at all with respect to criminals accessing firearms. Our borders are so expansive we cannot hope to stem the tide of illegal drugs and immigrants which flow through the gaps. Once it becomes more profitable, what is going to stop boatloads of Norinco type 56 rifles (the Chinese AK-47) and other fully automatic or explosive devices? Moreover, many people familiar with firearms are capable of manufacturing them from their raw components. All that is needed is a machine shop for the most advanced weapons, and some designs only require hand tools and skill to work the raw material into a firearm. Finally, people can, will, and do steal them from the police and the military. Just this week a Ft Worth, TX cop had his squad car broken into while he stopped at his apartment. The thief stole a MP5 machine pistol (fully automatic) and 2 handguns. In short, there is no hope of disarming the criminals. While legislation may slightly hamper the criminal's ability to readily access firearms, it does so at a significant cost to the law abiding citizen, who is only interested in legal recreation or lawful defense of his/her person and loved ones.
Meatcleaver...
the more you post the more ludicrous you sound. Dismissing for the moment that "need" is not the point of discussion regarding our constitutionally protected rights in America, you have little idea about these hordes that you joke so glibly about. In 1991 Los Angeles broke out into riots when the white cops were acquitted of excessively beating black menace, Rodney King (who was high on PCP and fled from them on a highway at speeds topping 100 mph). Many buildings were vandalized, looted, and torched to the ground, but a few business owners manned their rooftops with AR-15 rifles and stood vigil against the rioting looters. Their establishments were among the few spared and left standing.
In the mid 1990s, two bank robbers sporting fully automatic AK-47s (illegal here) and type IV body armor took their loot and fought in the streets of Los Angeles who tried to intecept them. The pistol and shotgun rounds fired by the police did nothing to slow the armored menace as they unloaded a barrage of automatic fire upon the impotent police force. Finally some of officers got wise and entered a gun store and commandered some AR-15 assault rifles the store had (legally) for sale to the public. Those rifles, capable of breeching the armor turned the tide and put the robbers on the retreat, where they eventually met with their demise.
In 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Louisiana and Mississippi coastline devestating the city of New Orleans. Pandemonium broke loose in the city with mass looting, rapes, and gunfire from scum, including acts so bold as to fire on police and rescue workers. That was the time that people in America had a legitimate need for such hardware, and lo and behold... one of the first illegal orders from the mayor's office in New Orleans was for law enforcement to find law abiding citizens who owned guns and disarm them. I was among those people in Louisiana when it happened. I lived downtown right near the evacuation hub for our city and while most of the the "displaced citizenry" were confused and scared, some were angry and vocal about it. It would not have taken much to tip my city into a full scale riot with tensions rising at the level they did. Some of the more vocal and angry ones started canvasing the neighborhoods and sizing things up. I happened to be returning home from a trip at the range and as I left the car and slung the rifle across my back in the driveway, I noticed these people immediately left my block. I didn't have any other tense situations during the chaos, but I was damn glad I had that equipment available to protect myself and my neighbors had the situation gotten out of hand like it did next door in New Orleans.
Your knowledge of such things in this country is far too lacking for you to make your smarmy, ill-informed calls from the sidelines. I also find it comical that you have a bit of a gun problem yourselves these days, despite your nation's brilliant legislation.
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