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RE: Help Required? - 2/4/2005 2:04:09 PM   
Voltare


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Interesting questions, and some great advice. An issue that doesn't seem to be touched on would be one of obsession.

I think it's safe to say anyone who spends any significant amount of time online deals with an internet obsession at one time. When coupled with a 'real life' type of escape from reality, i.e. BDSM (or Roleplaying, or video games, etc) the obsession can be particularly damaging, to relationships, finances, work and family obligations, the list goes on.

Anyone who spends more then a couple hours in a BDSM related chat room can usually pick up on the fact that there are a few individuals who spend an excess of fourty hours a week (some as many as 80 or 120) sitting in chat rooms. They are often seen as experts in the field, if not by their acquired knowlege, but indeed through brute force of having their name always in the room. I'm certain there's a few other threads dealing with chat room BDSM, so I won't rehash the information here.

As you give us the problems you are facing, and not much in the way of your wife's problem, I can't say for certain that this is one of the issues you are facing, though the statements that she is seeking a consistant mind fuck, and constant control - yet smaller attempts to assert control tell me that it sounds a bit like she might not be responding, because it isn't coming in the form of a 'cyber' command. In fact, from what little I've read, it seems that this has been the case with most of her experiences, that the real life activities are not coming even close to living up to her cyber fantasies. You're becoming increasingly worried that you aren't able to fufill her desires, and as a result she has left once and may leave again, in search of this 'fulfillment.' Sadly, there is really not a lot you can do, if this is the case short of trying to get her help.

In my experiences, internet obsession lasts anywhere from a few weeks to a few years, and generally only the loss of internet/computer (and all means to replace either) tends to be the only real cure. If the person is depressed, trying to resolve the depression can help - but as you mentioned, her interest in day to day 'reality' seems to have become minimal. The internet can be a great research tool, when used properly. I think the advice traded on these boards can be of infinate assistance, as BDSM isn't the sort of thing you can (usually) ask your best friend, doctor, or psychologist about. When abused, it becomes the worst form of mental masturbation ever to decay the brain of an otherwise intelligent and responsible adult.

MzSuz and others have already given some excellent advice. I agree that increased communication is the key - that doesn't just mean her speak and you listen, or you speak and her listen. It means trying to get in touch with the woman you married 25 years ago, as well as learning about the woman you are married to today. It means trying to reestablish the reason you both are still married (unlike several decades ago, time alone, children, and security of a house isn't enough to keep most couples together.) It might even mean falling in love again... or possibly even the opposite. Whatever the case, my own advise would be to practically throw a lock on the computer, either by not permitting it to be on when the two of you are home at the same time, cut the internet access at home, or some other means to try and take what (seems to me to be) the biggest hurdle you have to get over, to re establish your relationship.

As others have said, I will state in even stronger terms - if your wife seeks her %5 elsewhere, I'll give a 95% chance she stays there. The situation you described, to me, sounds like she isn't just seeking 'control' but rather a purpose for living. If she finds that elsewhere, you can bet your bottom collar she won't be coming back. I don't see anything wrong with trying to ease into a Ds related lifestyle between you and your wife right now - odds are you've actually been doing it for years, just in ways you might not have noticed. The key, I think, will be pulling any obsessive issues under control - because until that's done, you won't ever be seen as 'enough' because the scenes you two engage in, the activities you do, and the words you say will never be the equal to what she sees, hears, and feels in her head, when she is behind that keyboard.

Obviously, the advice is simply my own, based on what you've shared with us. I truely hope that I am dead wrong, because if I am right, you have a tall hill to climb indeed.

I wish you the very best of luck.

Stephan

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RE: Help Required? - 2/4/2005 6:24:11 PM   
kyakitten


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If you please, excuse this sub for dropping in on the Masters discussion.

Masterut,

In one of your later posts, you said: "Since she has been back I have tried to set small tasks, 'wear this' etc, and it has generally not been well recieved, however as I have said above, I can, and will take the feedback."

I'm new to this, so I could be wrong, but it seems to me that if she's your sub, she doesn't get to choose how to receive it. A sub does what the Dom instructs, and if the sub has an attitude problem about it, he/she gets punished to help him/her learn to do it better next time. So if she's agreed to sub to you, she needs to do what you direct, and if she doesn't do it to your satisfaction, you need to address that.

It sounds to me like right now one of you isn't holding up your end of the bargain. Then again, maybe the bargain's unclear. Have you talked about whether she's subbing to you 24/7 or just at specific times?

My suggestion is that you follow MizSuz' advice to impose a limited time to try on this dynamic, then actually do it, then discuss it. My suspicion is, that because your wife doesn't see you as a Dom, she's going to push you very hard to try to incite you to control her. I can't imagine that will be easy for you but if you have a limited time to do it, you can play the role better knowing that you don't have to live it indefinitely, and then afterwards you'll get to assess how comfortable it was.

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RE: Help Required? - 2/4/2005 7:30:57 PM   
proudsub


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quote:

I think it's safe to say anyone who spends any significant amount of time online deals with an internet obsession at one time. When coupled with a 'real life' type of escape from reality, i.e. BDSM (or Roleplaying, or video games, etc) the obsession can be particularly damaging, to relationships, finances, work and family obligations, the list goes on.


Great post Voltare. I agree that that may be the situation. I've been close to being in that situation myself, especially when i had an online dom.

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RE: Help Required? - 2/4/2005 8:06:27 PM   
Darthbetta


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Find an "ALTER EGO" .... personify what she needs inthat, and then incorporate it into who you are.

think of it as "role playing" at first.

Read some GOR books... they are kind of like BDSM for beginners abd a DnD adventure with a teenagers trashy romance novel included.

HTH..
good luck, Just be yourself, but turn up your INTENSITY a bit inteh controlling aspects.

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RE: Help Required? - 2/5/2005 2:31:16 AM   
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Let an old man with a lot of experience with this throw in his 2 cents worth. Your wife sounds exactly like my former sub sharon. Shc contacted me on line and said that she wanted to be my "slave". Well that immediately sent up red flags. No onne with half a clue as to what is entailed in becoming a slave would EVER say such a thing. I wrote her a nice reply and encouraged her to get involved with the Atlanta bdsm group and specifically to seek out Lord Cuff. Well she took part of my advice. She emailed LC and told him she wanted to be his slave...lol. He found out she was married and cheating and contacted me.
I wrote her a very strong rebuke and told her if she was ever serious about exploring that I would have to meet her and her HUSBAND. She was adamant. That could never happen. Long story short...a year later my wife and I were coming back from a diving trip in the Keys and sharon agreed to meet us (with her husband) for dinner.
It did not take me long to to figure out Mike was not totally clueless and I explained what I did with new subs. How I had trained several over the years to serve either their husbands or their newbie doms. My wife helped allay his fears that I was ever going to "steal" his wife. I am sure in his "male brain" (the one with the small head) that my wife was so much more beautiful than his wife that I was certainly not going to leave Barbie for sharon.

A visit was arranged and sharon came for 5 days to be trained to serve her husband. The play was OK; but he did not "get it". We arranged for Mike to come with sharon to visit me and attend a play party hosted by our local bdsm group. I had my sub marie (18 y/0 pagan witch, and fully trained) a local couple I was mentoring a new sub (gail-marie 40 y/0 BBW) and my co-top Mistress Marla with me. To put it mildly, the play party was a huge success. Mike hooked up with "screaming shirley" and was like a child in the candy store. But I thought I saw something in him.

On Sunday my house was full of kinky people so naturally play broke out. I had sharon on the spanking bench and sweet marie came over and started to help me by fisting sharon while I flogged her. I told marie if she was feeling so much like a top she should but on Mistress Marla's strap-on and see how Mike liked it. My hunch was correct. It was not long before Mike was howling with pleasure and marie was grinning from ear to ear. Then gail-marie said she wanted to use the strap-on. She took mike in the bedroom and literally wore him out.

Long story short... Sharon became mike's dominant. They were both very happy. I talked to them every day and helped them in their journey.

BAD PART.... I had insisted on honesty with sharon from the beginning and told her the value of honesty. I thought she had incorporated the values of her Mentor into her lifestyle ethics. I was wrong. She decided to take another male as her sub. He was married. His wife found out. His wife callled Mike. Mike called me. I advised him to dump the cunt. He did. There is more but I am sure the story is boring you.

My advice. Find a Mentor who values your marriage; but be prepared for your wife to not hold the same values.

Good luck Sir. You sound like a man with some good core values; but like most men are clueless as how to handle your woman. I hope you find someine who can shed some light on the matter for you.

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RE: Help Required? - 2/5/2005 3:18:29 PM   
TolerableCruelty


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MizSuz


Please pardon my levity here, as I understand this is an important issue to you. I wanted to share with you, however, that the above statements had me thinking "it sounds like she needs to be thrown on the bed (or over a chair, washing machine, couch - what ever's handy when the mood strikes), have her clothes torn off of her while being told what's about to happen to her and fucked LONG and HARD from behind while pulling her hair, smacking her ass (hard enough to leave a light welt) and telling her what a nasty girl she is."


This may seem a tad harsh, but I would wholeheartedly recommend the advice of MisSuz, only in a slightly less descriptive manner..... in other words, if you want to be her Master, then grow a pair and take control of the girl

'nuff said,
Trav

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