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FangsNfeet -> RE: committing a crime=bi-polar?!?! (10/17/2006 4:42:35 AM)

If a person can't be controlled and stop breaking the law, then they need to atleast be locked up and taken out of the gene pool.




patina -> RE: committing a crime=bi-polar?!?! (10/24/2006 7:03:42 AM)

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subbie12 wrote 'Millions of people who really are diagnosed by a psychiatrist as being bi-polar'

Thinking about it, I don't really see where psychiatry comes into it. Bi-polar being a chemical inbalance is a treatable medical condition and not a mental illness as such and doesn't require psychiatric diagnosis.


It is a medical illness, but your family doctor or internist is not specially trained to diagnose that type of illness nor how best to treat it.  It may be a medical illness but it has pyschological symptoms.  If you read the DSM, the symptoms of so many psychiatric illnesses overlap and trying to diangnose it properly *does* require special training.  That is why you see a psychiatrist, who is an M.D., by the way.  Also, it is very common to have other psychological or psychiatric conditions co-morbid with bipolar, and any other mental illness.



Partly the reason for the Psy to be the one to chose the drugs is he is trained as to which drugs have interactions with each other or other drugs.  I too am Bi Polar II plus due to a past stroke I had I have to take blood thinner med. My GP Dr. had no idea that certain drugs would interact with my Psy drugs so I ended up haveing some really weird and cool hallucinations.  Some not so cool though.  I was having conversations with peple who wern't there.  Imaginaging things that never did happen.  When I showed the pills to my Psy. Neu he immediately knew what was going on and changed my meds around. 

To blame any total loss of control to a disorder is unfair and a cowards way out.  Yes I have lost control of my self at times, but; these were only with family members at home. and most are provoked due to sibling interactions.

I have only once lost control in public and I believe I was set up by that same sibling as she knew I was in a high manic and goaded me to go talk to someone whom she knew I would rake over the coals.  And to top it off she got me into a grouchy fighting mood by picking on me with just the things to make me mad.

But with proper medication and taking it regurlary you can control it not let it control you.  the hardest part is trying to eplain to others that you have a mental illness.  there is so much stigma attached to it, and everyone wants to believe the media who only use the head liner cases.  No one wants to talk about the boring house person who just gets a little goofy every 3 months for 3-5 days,or has really sad sad days every 3 months 3-5 days but otherwise is just a normal as you or thee.



I have never had another such incident since.  It took 2 yrs of refusing to talk to her and denying her existence, to get her to back off.   



Patina




Ava82 -> RE: committing a crime=bi-polar?!?! (10/24/2006 8:23:00 AM)

A lot of problems come from being unable to afford treatment.  Depakote, for example, in a relatively moderate dosage without insurance, is going to run a person $1000.00-1200.00 a month.  (I know this because I worked in an acute care psychiatric ward.  There was a chart posted with costs of medication, so doctors could use that to decide whether to try something new and expensive, or fall back on the old cheaper standby of lithium.)  And insurance is so awful about it.  I just got turned down for insurance because of panic disorder.  Even when they do accept me, they call it a pre-existing condition and I have to shell out a hundred bucks a month for meds for the first six months.  This is an enormous strain on me, and I don't even have kids!

Treatment is also hard to get and scarce for the uninsured.  Beds are always filled.  Waiting lists are months long.  And the thing is, a patient can't be put on a 72-hour hold unless they have demonstrated that they are a danger to themselves or others.  So you can have someone getting extremely bad, extremely unbalanced, and you can't do anything about it until they do something dangerous.  Even the best psychiatrists cannot make beds appear in treatment facilities whenever they are desperately needed.  And that's if you can afford a psychiatrist.  People with serious mental illness often have spotty employment.  It is hard to get up and go in the morning when you have so much going on.  I have spotty employment, and most psychiatrists would not say I have a very serious mental illness.

A characteristic of bipolar is poor impulse control.  While sharky lawyers can exploit it, it does happen.  It's not an excuse, and the person should have to serve the sentence, but I would take it into account as a mitigating factor.  As long as the person had a history of biopolar, or two court appointed psychiatrists have concurred with the lawyer's opinion.

Whoever said that people who are insane and cannot control themselves should be put down-Dude, that was really hurtful.  I sit here every day and try to decide whether or not I will ever have children, knowing my family history and genetics like I do.  Do I want to risk them having lifelong disorders, maltreatment, meds everyday, insurance struggles, and shame?  Do I?  Believe me, I have studied the heydays of eugenics, sterilization, and icepick lobotomies.  I am even going to go out on a limb here and say my great uncle had one done.  It was a horrifying day when I learned that, that he was a victim of such ruthlessness, such madness to shut these patients the hell up and make them behave.  I would love to be a mother someday, and I would make a great one.  But no doubt they will read comments like this too, and be hurt like I am.

You can write me off as a shit stirring noob, that's cool.  But putting people down like dogs because it's hard to find treatment in a field that doesn't receive half the funding of cancer or AIDS, and affects so many people?  Ouch.

For those interested, NARSAD's Silver Ribbon Campaign for the Brain is a great cause to donate to.  No money goes to administrative overhead, all straight to research.  Check it out. 




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