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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 12:00:39 PM

MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif

well I see a lot of ignorance here from Americans that most likely have not left their country....(snip) I also believe that BDSM is taboo in those societies as is sex in general....(snip) but do not show themselves openly for fear of a society backlash, shame, etc (this goes for the men as well). Please take this into consideration for those who barely know where the Middle East is.

Was your catty comment calling us ignorant really necessary when you made the exact same point that everyone else did?

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 12:42:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif

As for you...as some one else ponted out....you have been on collarme for about a day, give it more time, and seek those women that seem more dominant, in the more modern sections of society, and you might be lucky. Or have a foreign Domina come and enslave you lol.

Well, I will pick up another snippet of MasterKaliff's post.
I will agree with you on the *laughing out loud* part. I have been offered (commanded? petitioned? begged?) to move to the Middle East where I can dominate to My heart's content. And that would be according to his way of Me dominating him. Sorry, that is not going to happen.
I have no desire to relocate Myself to another country, just because a supposedly sincere boy is enamored of Me, and thinks that I should come to him!

Edited to add: Hells Bells! I have turned down that offer from boys right here is the USA!

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 1:26:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif
I also believe that BDSM is taboo in those societies as is sex in general (which to me is unfortunate as there are some beautiful women) yet I am bound to believe those people exist (submissive women in the lifestyle and Dominant women in the lifestyle) but do not show themselves openly for fear of a society backlash, shame, etc (this goes for the men as well). Please take this into consideration for those who barely know where the Middle East is.

As for you...as some one else ponted out....you have been on collarme for about a day, give it more time, and seek those women that seem more dominant, in the more modern sections of society, and you might be lucky. Or have a foreign Domina come and enslave you lol.

What you have said here is what most of us said. So if your going to call us "ignorant" you have included yourself in that statement.

Have a nice ignorant day,
~Lashra

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 3:07:27 PM

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My family lives in Michigan, in a suburb of Detroit with the largest concentration of Middle Eastern people outside the Middle East. While the women are not equal to men, their culture teaches them that they are the 'caretakers' while the men are the 'providers' ... nothing wrong with that, it works for them. I've actually had 2 slaves that were from the Middle East. Both were Lebanese. Just because others, outsiders to their culture and their faith, view them in a backwards light, doesn't mean they are wrong in their traditions. It works very well for them.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 4:07:48 PM

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 4:40:21 PM

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Ive been to Bahrain. UAE

Actually..its not as backwards as you think.

There are shopping malls there full of beautiful blue eyed, black haired persian/arab women
dressed in western clothes and heels...NOT wearing the "Hajab".

I guarantee that there must have been one or two of them there who would jump at the idea
of dominating and controlling a man.

Granted...I was in the main city and there were plentyof women wearing the black dress with
the head covering...as well as the standard issue sheiks with their long robes and head dresses.

I was treated very well and people went out of their way to serve me when asked.

HOWEVER....this was BEFORE the reign of King DUMBYA Bush.

I don't know if I'd go there now. I'm sure they are pretty pissed at us.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 8:01:41 PM

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I'm going to try to take a shot at replying in this thread, first of all although this might be my first post, but I've read enough through these forums, but never saw a thread that I felt that I needed to post it in.

First of all, let me introduce my self, I'm from Lebanon, I'm not considered a lifestyler when it comes to BDSM, I see it more as a kink.

Answering the person who originally started this thread, my advice for you is to improve your English, I've learned when it comes to women, there is no turn off like bad English. I recommend using Microsoft Word to help you in that department.

Answering your question on why is it hard to find a Domme in the Middle East. It's quite simple, In the Middle East all kinks are considered Taboo. Hardly anybody knows about BDSM and the lifestyle. Everything they know is what they see on tv; some spanking. I was kinda like them, I always thought that BDSM was a kink, until I joined this website and learned about the lifestyle. Looking for a Domme in the MiddleEast is hard, let me actually say it's harder than usual, because judging on what I read on theses forums, finding a Domme in the US aint no piece of cake either. If you really have your heart set on meeting a Domme I think you have 2 options,

1) Check the listings on Collarme.com you'll actually find several Dommes on the website, they might not all be real, but you're going to have to roll the dice. I actually know a wonderful domme from Bahrain; she's actually one of the most amazing people I know. You might have to be willing to travel since you'll probably not be located in the same area as the Domme you find (they’re not that abundant).

2) You can get yourself a serious gf, and introduce her to Femdom and pray to god she doesn't think that you are some kind of perv and run away from you. I'm guessing a slow and good approach might get you places.

As for the people here making fun of the MiddleEast, I have to admit that you're seriously misinformed. I'm Lebanese and I have been to Egypt & Saudi Arabia. Not all Arab countries are alike. You'd be surprised at the MAJOR differences. I go to the American University of Beirut here, try give any girl the "you're supposed to be the housewife attitude" LOL, she'll drop u like you've never been dropped before. Moreover we have nightclubs, night life, sluty women, one night stands..... Things that you'll probably never believe unless you see them in your own eyes. That being said, Lebanon is known to be the most "open minded" of all Arab countries since it probably has the largest % of Christian citizens. Now some of your comments are true, especially when it comes to the gulf countries, I have been there, and it's grotesque the way they treat women, but I assure you, it's not like that in all countries. I advise you all to go see Dubai, you'll never believe that you’re in an Arab country, let alone a gulf country. My cousin lives in Ohio, he's a typical college student (partying, drinking ...etc) He went to Dubai for 2 months, and he LOVED it. My point is, MiddleEast is nothing like you really think. It might be too much old fashioned, but it's improving. Even in KSA where women are treated like shit, it is improving for the better, it might be a lengthy process, but we'll get there eventually.

I hope my post was informing as much as I wanted it to be...

Btw, DivaDuchess I hope you don't mind my question when I ask you how you found those Lebanese slaves. You probably might not know, but the Lebanese people are known to be the cockiest and most pretentious of all Arabs. Whenever you hear about a male Jiggallo conning some rich gulf lady, you'll know he's Lebanese :)

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 11:37:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

With the culture the way it is in the Middle East, good luck. Most Dominant women are hiding the fact because they don't wish to be stoned to death for being themselves. Also sex is almost a taboo over there and with the men thinking that women are *dirty* they don't want to stain their hands to often. Funny how when some of them come to the US they hang out at strippers club and frequent prostitutes. I guess maybe we aren't so dirty in the west?

I wish you luck and keep searching

~Lashra

My thoughts exactly. Just ask gay men that were out in the 80's how quickly they got back in the closet when politicians were trying to criminalize gay sex because of the spread of aids.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/13/2006 11:44:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Ive been to Bahrain. UAE

Actually..its not as backwards as you think.

There are shopping malls there full of beautiful blue eyed, black haired persian/arab women
dressed in western clothes and heels...NOT wearing the "Hajab".

I'm not sure that everyone thinks that Bahrain is all that backward. I think that most must know that it is one of the more moderate Arab states along with Kuwait and Qatar. But the fact is that even moderate Arab states have their more radical elements. And then again, what is meant by "moderate" is by no means, an indication of women dominating men--especailly with whips and chains!!! No, Bahrain is not some poor sandbox inhabited by primitive tribesmen, but there's a lot more to sexual freedom than eyeliner, skyscrapers, and high heels!

LAsub

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 7:37:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real
And then again, what is meant by "moderate" is by no means, an indication of women dominating men--especailly with whips and chains!!! No, Bahrain is not some poor sandbox inhabited by primitive tribesmen, but there's a lot more to sexual freedom than eyeliner, skyscrapers, and high heels!

I sense Meahz's comments are not so much to put claim to sexual freedom but to clarify against the images reflected by the post about scrubbing floors and the like. I expect MasterKalif also made reference to posts of that nature and not to posters in general.

I can remember meeting at least two dommes from the Middle East. BDSM is a human phenonmenon versus a cultural one, and I am convinced that there must be people in the Middle East hiding their interests as did people here at one time. The challenge to find a partner there is that there is no organized BDSM scene, and BDSM personals are also a long shot. I will add, however, that I was astounded to learn from a couple at a local party that they attended a fetish night in Morroco!

My advice to someone in the Middle East would be to rely more on regular personals--while still few I expect they will have broader reach than BDSM personals--and include hints that might catch the eye of another person interested in BDSM (eg: references to Anne Rice to suggest an interest in BDSM, a reference to appreciate women who have good taste in footwear to hint a foot fetish, a reference to appreciate assertive women who know what they want, a reference to liking leather, etc). I recall a fascinating presentation by Jack Rinella, a BDSM columnist and author, about the history of BDSM. Per his presentation, BDSM contacts via personals here (in the U.S.) began in a similar manner.

Incidentally, my heritage is Pakistani.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 11:23:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

I sense Meahz's comments are not so much to put claim to sexual freedom but to clarify against the images reflected by the post about scrubbing floors and the like. I expect MasterKalif also made reference to posts of that nature and not to posters in general.

I see your point. But I think that perhaps the wording of the OP is a little to blame for the wording of the responses. If Samiq8 had asked, "Why is it so hard to find a Mistress in Bahrain?" that might have been a little different but if you ask about The Middle East, then 90% of what has been said in this post is applicable to 90% of th e countries in The Middle East. That's not an insult, that's just the way that it is.

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I can remember meeting at least two dommes from the Middle East. BDSM is a human phenonmenon versus a cultural one...

I'm not sure how you mean this. I can agree that BDSM is a human phenomenon in so much as it is capable of being practiced by all humans, but it certainly has not been present among all (or even most) human societies historically. And I'm not talking about torture either, I'm talking about consensual BDSM play. I'd say that BDSM is more like music... say Rock & Roll, anyone anywhere can play it if they choose to.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 12:58:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real

quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Ive been to Bahrain. UAE

Actually..its not as backwards as you think.

There are shopping malls there full of beautiful blue eyed, black haired persian/arab women
dressed in western clothes and heels...NOT wearing the "Hajab".

I'm not sure that everyone thinks that Bahrain is all that backward. I think that most must know that it is one of the more moderate Arab states along with Kuwait and Qatar. But the fact is that even moderate Arab states have their more radical elements. And then again, what is meant by "moderate" is by no means, an indication of women dominating men--especailly with whips and chains!!! No, Bahrain is not some poor sandbox inhabited by primitive tribesmen, but there's a lot more to sexual freedom than eyeliner, skyscrapers, and high heels!

LAsub

Actually Bahrain is known to be the "Las Vegas" of KSA, everybody in KSA often goes to Bahrain during weekends so they can hang out at nightclubs and meet women.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 1:06:18 PM

Meahz

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it is in the Middle East, good luck. Most Dominant women are hiding the fact because they don't wish to be stoned to death for being themselves. Also sex is almost a taboo over there and with the men thinking that women are *dirty* they don't want to stain their hands to often. Funny how when some of them come to the US they hang out at strippers club and frequent prostitutes. I guess maybe we aren't so dirty in the west?

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

With the culture the way it is in the Middle East, good luck. Most Dominant women are hiding the fact because they don't wish to be stoned to death for being themselves. Also sex is almost a taboo over there and with the men thinking that women are *dirty* they don't want to stain their hands to often. Funny how when some of them come to the US they hang out at strippers club and frequent prostitutes. I guess maybe we aren't so dirty in the west?

I wish you luck and keep searching

~Lashra

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're wrong when you talked about "Also sex is almost a taboo over there and with the men thinking that women are *dirty* they don't want to stain their hands to often"
Men are horny animals :P it's not only in the US, they're the same everywhere.... And they don't only hangout in strip clubs in the US, they also do it here, you can get laid with a Russian for 66$ over here.

I don't think dominant women are really hiding because of society, I just think most of them don't know anything about the lifestyle, BUT if they did they would certainly love to be a part of it...

That's my opinion.....

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 1:22:25 PM

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I see your point. But I think that perhaps the wording of the OP is a little to blame for the wording of the responses. If Samiq8 had asked, "Why is it so hard to find a Mistress in Bahrain?" that might have been a little different but if you ask about The Middle East, then 90% of what has been said in this post is applicable to 90% of th e countries in The Middle East. That's not an insult, that's just the way that it is.

Honestly, I wouldn't put too much stock in what the person who started the thread said. I once tried to contact the local dominas, in 24 hrs I received 4 replies, so putting too much stock in what he said wouldn't be too good of an idea. I'm ONLY guessing he didn't know how to approach them or scared them away with his English skills.

Second of all, alot of what has been said in this thread is incorrect. It's funny how many rendered Middle East women as "floor scrubbers" when house hold help is extremely common. As for the gulf women, they might not be treated equally, but you should see how much they pamper themselves inside their houses; it’s ridiculous!

To me BDSM isn't really common in the Middle East because very few are actually exposed to it, so the few people who have been exposed to it find it very hard to find partners interested in the same things they are.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 4:19:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: LASub4Real
I'm not sure how you mean this. I can agree that BDSM is a human phenomenon in so much as it is capable of being practiced by all humans, but it certainly has not been present among all (or even most) human societies historically. And I'm not talking about torture either, I'm talking about consensual BDSM play. I'd say that BDSM is more like music... say Rock & Roll, anyone anywhere can play it if they choose to.

By BDSM, I mean an interest in BDSM. A person may have an interest in BDSM and not be able to engage in consensual BDSM play and keep it as a fantasy only. If we speak of only consensual BDSM play then, yes, the contrast is a lot greater between sexually open cultures and sexually repressive cultures; then the statement that BDSM does not exist in some cultures is closer to being accurate.

Even with respect to fantasies, I think BDSM has a greater presence in sexually open cultures. I feel so because I think an interest in BDSM is awakened by stimuli, and often these stimuli come from media. I think sexually open cultures allow a greater likelihood of encountering such stimuli.

That said, I see BDSM to be part of sexuality and psychology. I know it to exist in each part of the world to varying degrees. That it exists in different parts of the world suggests to me an interest or a propensity for BDSM is independent of culture and religion.While there may not be a lot of (there are some) documented references to BDSM across societies, I expect that it has been around. I base that mostly on a hunch. While cultural differences may flavor BDSM across the world, I think the core is the same.

I think what does vary from place to place is how easily can this propensity be accepted by the individual and then expressed.

Your post raises an interesting question about what is BDSM and what is not by the reference to consensual BDSM play. With respect to practice of BDSM, I think most people will agree that consent is what differentiates BDSM from abuse.

I wonder if some instances of abuse stem from BDSM desires in a person who is unethical and/or unaware of consensual BDSM. For example, Marquis DeSade engaged in non-consensual BDSM. I think his desires had roots similar to those of a sadist who engages in consensual BDSM play, but what is different is that he took an unethical path to realize those desires. In a similar sense, I wonder if Elizabeth Bathory similarly realized her sadistic desires(there is information to suggest her acts were tied to sexuality) in an unethical and pathological manner (she tortured to death a large number of people).

As much as we would want to distance BDSM from such people, I wonder if the roots of desires were similar to those BDSMers might have. If so, I wonder what impact knowledge about consensual BDSM would have on such people. That is, I wonder to what extent was the unethical behavior driven by wants that they did not know could be realized consensually, and to what extent was the behavior simply pathological. For persons who fall under the former case, knowing about consensual BDSM could be a good thing. For those who fall under the latter case, knowing about consensual BDSM could be a bad thing for it would allow them a way to find victims.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/14/2006 4:44:39 PM

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Thank you meahz for the information and the much-needed balance to this thread.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/15/2006 9:58:52 AM

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think BDSM has a greater presence in sexually open cultures. I feel so because I think an interest in BDSM is awakened by stimuli, and often these stimuli come from media. I think sexually open cultures allow a greater likelihood of encountering such stimuli.

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ORIGINAL: lunamor

Thank you meahz for the information and the much-needed balance to this thread.

Lunamor

Your welcome, I'm glad I was able to make a contribution

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/15/2006 9:16:41 PM

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Miss Pandora and Lashra I was not referring to both of you specifically, Im just tired of comment like these "It's my guess that most women over there have been reduced to floor scrubbers and laundering garments. What might one expect from a culture that revels in twelfth century idealism?"....everyone is entitled to their views and live in bliss, but likewise, I am also entitled to my view, I lived in Egypt and Morocco and have been to other countries in the region and can say with certainty that my opinion is based on realism. The whole stoning thing is overrated in that it tends to ocurr in very conservative countries like Saudi Arabia, tribal regions in Pakistan and places like Afghanistan during the Taliban regime there (both not even int he Middle East), and the other prime example being Iran....so am I ignorant? maybe, I don't pretend to know it all, I just state my opinion on things I know.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/15/2006 9:20:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea
....... I expect MasterKalif also made reference to posts of that nature and not to posters in general........

undergroundsea, exactly, thank you for pointing it out.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 3:54:59 AM

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Meahz ... Nope, I don't mind at all. It's actually an interesting twist. They are both ... neighbors of my parents. They were not exactly 'bride material' and both were engaged (okay, I equate that with ... sold) to marry a couple of very nice men. I had watched this rather 'public' display of rebellion on the reluctant brides to be for about 2 months. These two ... we'll call them young ladies for now ... had a *discipline* problem. My grandmother was a sub to my grandfather, she's the only one in the family who knows WHAT I am. She in turn spoke to the neighbor, recommending my, we'll call them services, and assist the ... *ladies* in an attitude adjustment. The ... man of the house, sent his wife over *fanning self* as he wouldn't talk directly to me as I do not cover.

This is where it got ... interesting. I ... lost my temper. I couldn't understand a damn thing she said, not a word. I don't think she was signing in English either. I know sign language ... THAT was not it or it was English. I have waist length blonde hair, so sue me. I am NOT wrapping my head in a towel or wash cloth or whatever ... okay ... so I went inside and YES covered my head ... it was some silk thingy my grandmother had. She actually threw it at me when I slammed the door coming in the house to find the thing in the first place. I had a few words about her learning to throw with a bit more accuracy.

Okay ... now do we have a clear mental picture? Here is a very pale, BLONDE woman with ... Attitude, wearing her ripped at the knees jeans, nose ring, ratan stick across her back, sleeveless ripped at the collar t-shirt ... wearing a lovely lavendar scarf.

I walked next door and asked to see the ... Mmmaaannn ... of the house. Meanwhile my husband at the time is sitting on the porch laughing his damn head off, thinking this is the funniest thing he's EVER seen. His girlfriend is trying to find a hole to crawl into. And all this just during one visit to my parents house. Anyways ... the ... Mmmaaannn ... of the house comes to the door takes one look at me ... and my expression ...

The next thing I knew, I had first one daughter for about 2 months then the other one for a bit longer. They learned how to ... set a table, clear a table, clean the floors, dishes, walls, doors, clothing. They learned how to make a bed, wake the children and get them off to school. They both did very well in bowing, scraping and basically doing EVERYTHING I told them to do. It took 3 days with the first one for her to loose the 'attitude'. She must have said something about my bamboo switcher stick ... and her bare ass, cause the second one gave me NO problems. Though the second one didn't catch onto some things as quickly as her sister did.

In exchange for services rendered I am now the proud owner of:
1 persian rub
1 very lovely ceiling fan
1 harness for my ratan stick
1 set of 4 collars (the brother works with leather), he's my new best friend *lol*
1 very nice leather, full length coat with trim
30 days per year of free dinner for my whole family at his restaraunt ... for life.

While I am aware that much of Lebanon is very nice as I've been there myself a couple of times ... the people are very diverse in the way they practice their faith and others see their culture. My experience with the two ... *grits teeth* ... young ladies definitely taught me a healthy does of restraint when faced with such ... EEEEKKKKK ... okay, okay. They are now both married to the men that their parents arranged for them. They both have 2 children at this time.

Within about 5 years there came a new infusion of people into the neighborhood. Now we have almost a 50/50 mix of traditional Muslims, non-traditional Muslims, and ... Israeli. Everyone was flying the flag of their countries ... 3 days ago, I hoisted my rather tattered AMERICAN flag up the pole. It's about 30 X 45 ... FEET and leaves one hell of a shadow. Suddenly ... the other flags were gone *lol*.

I love these people

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