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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 6:33:25 AM   
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Miss Pandora and Lashra I was not referring to both of you specifically, Im just tired of comment like these "It's my guess that most women over there have been reduced to floor scrubbers and laundering garments. What might one expect from a culture that revels in twelfth century idealism?"....everyone is entitled to their views and live in bliss, but likewise, I am also entitled to my view, I lived in Egypt and Morocco and have been to other countries in the region and can say with certainty that my opinion is based on realism. The whole stoning thing is overrated in that it tends to ocurr in very conservative countries like Saudi Arabia, tribal regions in Pakistan and places like Afghanistan during the Taliban regime there (both not even int he Middle East), and the other prime example being Iran....so am I ignorant? maybe, I don't pretend to know it all, I just state my opinion on things I know.

That's great that you're a seasoned traveler.  Many of us are as well, and yes, to the Middle East.  Saying that we're all ignorant and implying that we live sheltered, North American-based existences because a few cracked jokes or employed stereotypical commentary in a post from a guy who'd barely been on the site long enough for his profile to be activated really was uncalled for.

You yourself have not lived in the shoes of a very caucasian American woman traveling in said countries in the Middle East post 9/11.  It's an interesting pursuit, let me tell you.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 10:58:04 AM   
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MasterKalif ... They definitely WILL do things very differently at times and perhaps not what we would do.  When I visited Saudi Arabia about 15 years ago to see a friend of  mine have her first child ... the neighbor had a daughter caught without her head covered.  They tied a large rock to her ankles and tossed her in a body of water until she was quite dead.  So, yes you are right about that one.

Every area is different and each family, neighborhood, the whole nine yards ... is different, just like you and I and everyone else around us.  Some are quite calm and 'Western' in their thinking ... Zealots ... are not.  The Lebanese man around the block from my parents house, shot his daughter for having a boy in the house at her birthday party.  Then he went to the police station and told them he had killed his daughter.

Now ... for finding slaves from the Middle East ... it's like finding any other ethnic background ... there are some and they are out there ... one just has to look without labelling an entire region.

Just my 2 cents



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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 12:00:21 PM   
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Not very smart to insults the Domme's on their home turf ,MasterKalif

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 2:23:51 PM   
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I find that 50% of Americans are igronant of anythuing that isnt america about america or something created by america usaly war and the other 50% follow them and just looking at most of these posts just reflects how stupied most amricans are and have no clue on middles estern culture



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well I see a lot of ignorance here from Americans that most likely have not left their country....while it is true that women in those countries do not have an "equal" status, nor are they seen as below anything more, its just an ingrained cultural way of life. Again it depends on the country you are in, Egypt (while it is in Africa, culturally linked to the Middle East), and women in higher status of society live and even work as any women in the west. I think most of the horror stories of women inequality that come out of the middle east are from Saudi Arabia where it is taken to the extreme of women not being able to drive, and the very harsh punishments for things in the west we consider "ok". Iran is another case in point after those backwards Ayatollah's took that country into the dark ages after an enlightened period ended with the Shah's ouster in 1979. But by an large, these societies are simply "socially conservative" and wealthy, and it takes time to let go of those aspects, they don't go away over night. I also believe that BDSM is taboo in those societies as is sex in general (which to me is unfortunate as there are some beautiful women) yet I am bound to believe those people exist (submissive women in the lifestyle and Dominant women in the lifestyle) but do not show themselves openly for fear of a society backlash, shame, etc (this goes for the men as well). Please take this into consideration for those who barely know where the Middle East is.

As for you...as some one else ponted out....you have been on collarme for about a day, give it more time, and seek those women that seem more dominant, in the more modern sections of society, and you might be lucky. Or have a foreign Domina come and enslave you lol.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 2:42:41 PM   
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I find that 50% of Americans are igronant of anythuing that isnt america about america or something created by america usaly war and the other 50% follow them and just looking at most of these posts just reflects how stupied most amricans are and have no clue on middles estern culture

Ok, where is the hidden camera?

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 2:48:44 PM   
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you can easy find mistress from US , uorep or asia

but its hard to find mistress in Middle east even that in Dubai ( in UAE) there are alot of peple from all around the world
?


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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 3:03:57 PM   
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Well first of all, thank you for sharing this quite interesting story. I have to admit when you said “Lebanese subs” I don’t know why, but I had them figured as male. Before I comment on the rest of your post, please allow me to share my 10 cents on the “they were sold to certain husbands”.

My grandmother was married to my grandfather at the age of 14, but they kind of had a fairy tale story, my grandfather took great care of my grandmother (and still does) and they had 8 children (4 boys, 4 girls). My mom was married 1 year before she graduated college and now has 5 children. My sister graduated 2 years ago from college and is still unmarried and that’s not even something we talk about. What I’m trying to point out is the winds of change are moving forward. Before at the ages of 14-15 it was very normal for a girl to get married and to quit school. While the women of my mom’s generation were often married after they graduate. Right now it’s really differs from family to family; some families have men waiting to marry their daughter as soon as they graduate, but not all of them. And it’s not even the process that you think. First men come and start visiting, if the girl likes him, and the parents ok him, they will get engaged and start spending some time alone. They usually agree on how long they will remain engaged before they get married.

And even when they are supposedly sold, they are married to men who take care of them a lot. And I do admit that there’s no love when it starts, but the love eventually comes, usually during engagement days. And the traditional marriage is by far a very different marriage from the average marriage outside arab countries. First of all, it depends on the country/religion. And when I say religion, Sunni & Shite have different types of traditions when it comes to marriage. (Islam is split into Sunnis & shites). A typical Sunni marriage means the guy has to have a house/car/good job and parents of the bride pay for the wedding ceremony, for the dress of the bride, and often pay for the bedroom and dining room. Shites have men pay for everything, in Jordan same thing. So basically you’re marrying somebody who is able to take care of you. And in some sense, they are not really sold because the woman has to OK the groom. Now of course I’m talking about Middle/High class families, of course in poor families you don’t have all that. In addition if the man mistreats his lady, she’ll go to her parent’s house and you would have the parents intervening, of course a husband beater would pass in poor families. Although I’m defending these types of marriages, I’m not really sold on them. But you also have to accept the fact that meeting a woman that fits you isn’t so easy, so meeting and eventually marrying a woman this way doesn’t sound too bad. Of course the case with you is quite different, a lot of the woman I know (including my aunt) who first got married didn’t know how to cook and clean and really had an attitude problem. My aunt rejected over 20 rich grooms because they asked her to quit her job and stay at home, my aunt told them she didn’t study 4 years of college and do 3 years of training (you have to do 3 years of unpaid training to become a lawyer here) so I can quit everything and take care of the kids! Ironically when she finally married, she quit her job on her own because she wants to spend time with her children, and the salary wasn’t worth wasting her time.

As for the “man of the house” that is a very common thing, when a woman wants to talk, she talks to the woman of the house, and the man talks to the man of the house. The notion of the man of the house is a very common thing. Although it’s quite retro, but most of these things are only appearances. Although my dad might be the man of the house, mom usually had the “final word” on most of the finance issues of the house. You would be surprised that my mom took my dad’s salary every month and she handled the spending.


Concerning the arrangement that they had about your services, I would have to say that’s quite interesting! I’ll keep you in mind whenever I decide to get married. *KIDDING* I’m quite confident that they both learned a lot under your hand, and maybe the first learned a lot on your knees?

As for Lebanon, what you said is quite true. Lebanon actually suffers from too much diversity, we are a small country that probably has the most number of religion factions (Shiite/Sunni from Islam for example, I forgot the exact word). And we have a ridiculous amount of political parties for our population. And infact the difference in upraising is huge from different religions. So when you meet a Lebanese don’t really expect to find everybody like that person, we’re too much diversified for our own sake!

You had Israeli and Lebanese flags in the same Neighborhood? WAW, I’m glad everybody took their flags down. I’m actually surprised that the Lebanese would accept that Israeli flag, I know my half Lebanese would go crazy about that, and my half Palestinian would hate it too. The funny part is being an American citizen I would have to live with that flag… I just hate it when you just can’t kill somebody who annoys you! Those damn laws!! *kidding*

So tell me one thing, you’re expecting having the children of those two young ladies anytime soon for maybe another long training session?

I think the main problem with wrong western assumptions, is that they meet a group of Arabs that really don’t represent the real Arabs. I know I have written a lot, but let me elaborate, last summer most of my friends traveled the world during their training program (so did I). I found out a lot of things, like Swedish people hate Arabs! The weird part is they can’t be blamed. The Arabs that live in Sweden are the crap of the crap of the crap of the society, criminals and low lives. So once they meet an Arab they assume he’s similar to the Arabs they know in their own country. My friend told me they would hate us, but as soon as they knew we were Engineering students from a prestigious university their whole approach to us would differ. My 2 friends went to Michigan Ann Arbor, the people they met there thought that Lebanese women cover themselves in black and you can’t even see the eyes: S They should come see what we have in my university. Some of my friends met people that were shocked that we have cars, so you know where I’m going with this….


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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 3:49:30 PM   
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Hard in the middle east?? Freakin hard here in Ottawa Canada :p

Anyway, middle east as this whole culture and religion going against bdsm and female dominants considering woman are exactly allowed to be dominants in general there.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 4:26:32 PM   
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MagiksSlave, well this is a forum, if we can't give our opinions, what is a forum good for? I also didn't see any ownership of this forum...

by the way, what insult did I give to anyone?

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 4:29:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DivaDuchess

MasterKalif ... They definitely WILL do things very differently at times and perhaps not what we would do.  When I visited Saudi Arabia about 15 years ago to see a friend of  mine have her first child ... the neighbor had a daughter caught without her head covered.  They tied a large rock to her ankles and tossed her in a body of water until she was quite dead.  So, yes you are right about that one.

Every area is different and each family, neighborhood, the whole nine yards ... is different, just like you and I and everyone else around us.  Some are quite calm and 'Western' in their thinking ... Zealots ... are not.  The Lebanese man around the block from my parents house, shot his daughter for having a boy in the house at her birthday party.  Then he went to the police station and told them he had killed his daughter.

Now ... for finding slaves from the Middle East ... it's like finding any other ethnic background ... there are some and they are out there ... one just has to look without labelling an entire region.

Just my 2 cents




DivaDuchess, I wasn't labelling an entire region, I was being perhaps a bit stereotypical, but was making things easier for some people to understand the main differences within the 'neigborhood'...this does not mean there are no liberals in Saudi Arabia or conservative Lebanese....so I am not disagreing with you....maybe you meant your comment to those who talk about "towel heads" and refer to everyone in the region as gun-totting terrorists?

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 4:32:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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Miss Pandora and Lashra I was not referring to both of you specifically, Im just tired of comment like these "It's my guess that most women over there have been reduced to floor scrubbers and laundering garments. What might one expect from a culture that revels in twelfth century idealism?"....everyone is entitled to their views and live in bliss, but likewise, I am also entitled to my view, I lived in Egypt and Morocco and have been to other countries in the region and can say with certainty that my opinion is based on realism. The whole stoning thing is overrated in that it tends to ocurr in very conservative countries like Saudi Arabia, tribal regions in Pakistan and places like Afghanistan during the Taliban regime there (both not even int he Middle East), and the other prime example being Iran....so am I ignorant? maybe, I don't pretend to know it all, I just state my opinion on things I know.

That's great that you're a seasoned traveler.  Many of us are as well, and yes, to the Middle East.  Saying that we're all ignorant and implying that we live sheltered, North American-based existences because a few cracked jokes or employed stereotypical commentary in a post from a guy who'd barely been on the site long enough for his profile to be activated really was uncalled for.

You yourself have not lived in the shoes of a very caucasian American woman traveling in said countries in the Middle East post 9/11.  It's an interesting pursuit, let me tell you.


It is a shame you felt targeted by my comments, but I was referring to specific "Americans" or whoever that says things based on ignorance....so believe what you like.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 6:55:46 PM   
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It is a shame you felt targeted by my comments, but I was referring to specific "Americans" or whoever that says things based on ignorance....so believe what you like.

Again, I didn't personally feel targeted by what you said.

But. you are coming HERE, to the Mistress boards, and flinging that "you Americans" line around.  We Americans *were* being targeted!

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 7:53:34 PM   
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I wasn't feeling threatened ... I have friends that are from all over the place.  I have 2 still trapped in Lebanon.  They're safe, but ... still.  I've not got a predjudice bone in my body ... This neighborhood, thankfully has been very quiet even with the tension over there ... I'm just waiting to see what happens.

As for the, now married, women ... they are very sweet people and their children are very well behaved.  Thankfully, the people in this neighborhood have risen above the wars.




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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 8:32:20 PM   
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Hard in the middle east?? Freakin hard here in Ottawa Canada :p

Anyway, middle east as this whole culture and religion going against bdsm and female dominants considering woman are exactly allowed to be dominants in general there.

-mellian




Kind of have to agree with you here...   It is hard enough to find female dominants in countries where the woman wouldnt be breaking a taboo by engaging in the dominant side of BDSM much less in some place like the middle east.

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 10:41:55 PM   
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Again, I didn't personally feel targeted by what you said.

But. you are coming HERE, to the Mistress boards, and flinging that "you Americans" line around.  We Americans *were* being targeted!


The horror, that I dare give a general opinion "here"...oh my what is the world coming to, eh? no need to twist my words, I didn't say "you Americans" I said "I see a lot of ignorance here from Americans"....or do you actually think everyone in these forums is an erudite on everything? and by the way...this is a public forum, and I will use it as such. The day you charge for it, then I won't be here and you can bask in similar opinions

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 10:55:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora
Again, I didn't personally feel targeted by what you said.

But. you are coming HERE, to the Mistress boards, and flinging that "you Americans" line around.  We Americans *were* being targeted!


The horror, that I dare give a general opinion "here"...oh my what is the world coming to, eh? no need to twist my words, I didn't say "you Americans" I said "I see a lot of ignorance here from Americans"....or do you actually think everyone in these forums is an erudite on everything? and by the way...this is a public forum, and I will use it as such. The day you charge for it, then I won't be here and you can bask in similar opinions

Deleted because he's just not worth the effort!

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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/16/2006 11:14:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterKalif

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora
Again, I didn't personally feel targeted by what you said.

But. you are coming HERE, to the Mistress boards, and flinging that "you Americans" line around.  We Americans *were* being targeted!


The horror, that I dare give a general opinion "here"...oh my what is the world coming to, eh? no need to twist my words, I didn't say "you Americans" I said "I see a lot of ignorance here from Americans"....or do you actually think everyone in these forums is an erudite on everything? and by the way...this is a public forum, and I will use it as such. The day you charge for it, then I won't be here and you can bask in similar opinions

Deleted because he's just not worth the effort!


You're being a little too tough with Master Kalif.... he may decide that he no longer wants to come back and post on the Mistress board because of you.




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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/17/2006 2:53:58 AM   
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MasterKalif ... I will ask just once nicely ... DOWN with the attitude.  Several of us including MizPandora were in a very interesting dialogue, much of it with you.  And of course we know it's a 'free' board.  However, it clearly states "ASK A MISTRESS".  Because that's what the original poster wanted, the input of a MISTRESS.  I took a quick little look see at your profile and it screams 'man thing'.  I have one of those and he never wanders into the female boards, to do more than browse.  If there's a subject that is of interest, he will repost it in the board for Masters.

So ... either play nice or go away.  Show the intelligence you profess to want in a slave.

If you wish to continue an intelligent conversation and feel yourself capable of that ... feel free.  The only other alternatives we would have is to block you.  I don't like to do that to anyone with worthy intelligence.  You appear to have that ... you simply forgot how to use it along with your manners.






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RE: why hard to find Mistress in Middle East - 10/19/2006 2:49:05 AM   
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greetings
 
i do not mean to laugh but are you joking the middle east no way i do not think that you will find anyone there at all, it is a strict place all over they kill many for even thinking of what i am think now i doubt very much you will find on there sorry
 
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