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juliaoceania -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 9:48:23 AM)

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does anyone notice that while being able to take a lot of pain in some areas.. you find yourself unable to take as much pain in others?


I can take a lot of nipple torture and it makes my head swim...smiles


I have low tolerance for stingy pain but I love it more than thud... he stings my ass a lot...hee he.. For him it is not the amount of pain I am willing to take, it is getting me into subspace/headspace. He pulls my hair and I am putty though...



akisha -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 10:36:22 AM)

I've always said i'm a sensualist. *S* Sir just says i'm an extreme sensualist.

I've been learning that i like pain alot more then i thought i did [:D]



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 2:30:47 PM)

i really like stinging floggers with no warm up. as a result my slaves never get warmups..

poor things. i wonder how important it is for someone to get a warmup. i've had some tell me they can endure more if they've been warmed up first.. but either way they endure it all so the warmup is just needless extra work for me.

i like to get to the meat of the matter. one thing i can't really take TOO much of are canes. i hate canes!



SweetSarijane -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 6:18:36 PM)

I can take a lot more if I'm warmed up first. I love everything I've experienced to date including canes and I love getting caned on the bottoms of my feet too. If I'm not warmed up, it's much harder for me to process the pain to pleasure.



slavemaia -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 7:49:36 PM)

masochism for me isn't all about pain. Much of my form of masochism is from humiliation. i do enjoy a level of pain but find my real masochism kicks in when i am required to do or submit to something that is not really my choosing but Master's and because He knows it humiliates me. i'm not talking about abusive humiliation - but the kind that's embarrassing but enticing as well.
 
Since i became a slave, pain has taken a different significance for me and it is more about taking what Master wants to give than it is about subspace. Masochism is much more emotional and psychological for me than how much pain i can endure. i'm finding that my masochism lives more within the realm of having my darkest secrets and desires exposed than learning to accept more and more pain.



HarryVanWinkle -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 8:14:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess
i can relate to a lot of what people have said in their replies. especially the part about not actually liking the pain or getting off on it. for me it's more about being able to endure it.

but then there is some pain that i actually like inflicted on certain parts of my body.. but damn i hate any nipple torture. i turn into a little whiny bitch.. but nearly anything else i can endure.

it's like.. ok.. you can bruise me, cut me, pierce me.. make me bleed.. flog me to hamburger.. but um.. can you take these nipple clamps off?

does anyone notice that while being able to take a lot of pain in some areas.. you find yourself unable to take as much pain in others?


I'm with you on this.  At Desert Dominion, I'm the Officially Self Elected, Chief Pain Pig In Residence.  I have a reputation of being a stoic bottom, of being hard to get a reaction out of.  That seems to be changing for the better, but that's a subject for a different thread.   But, as I said to one Domina one night when she figured out how to make me squeel, "You've discovered my Achilles nipples."  Hours of CBT don't make me as noisy and squirmy as minutes of NT.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 8:36:48 PM)

SweetSarijane
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I love everything I've experienced to date including canes and I love getting caned on the bottoms of my feet too.


ah.. bastinado.. very cruel.. you wouldn't think something so simple can be so painful.

it hurts even more on the TOPS of your feet..

HarryVanWinkle
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"You've discovered my Achilles nipples."


that's the quote of the FUCKING century i swear. well at least to me. i am very stoic during pain. i just *suck it up*.. i don't scream or cry.. if anything i'll moan.

oh my but touch the nips and i'm screaming any safeword, mommy, daddy, uncle.. just anything that will get them off!

does anyone view their masochism COMPLETELY different from submission? i have submitted to masochistic pursuits while i was in service at the time.

but now, i don't really view my masochism as submissive.. i'm just the bottom and i have a top that controls what goes on. but the only thing i'm submitting to is my own desire to receive pain.

that's why i hate labeling myself i guess.

with that being said.. i LOVE dishing out what i take. i'm probably more sadistic because i know what they can take so i know that if i can take it.. they surely better be able to.



leakylee -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 10:18:18 PM)

Using fast reply.

In the past I begged to be beaten for days it seemed like, but somewhere along the line my capcity just topped out. It is gone. The wiring got all fuddled up. Now though needles and knives send me places that leather and wood did at one point. I dont know if I would classify myself in the masso catergory or not. But the sharper the object, the more of a goner I am. I still havent figured it out, and am not real sure that I wanna.

Although I do miss the canings and floggings, but somehow I just cant take it anymore. 2o minutes and I am maxed out. I admit it. I wussified..hehe..

Love and light
Lee



sapphirepleasure -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 11:10:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i can relate to a lot of what people have said in their replies. especially the part about not actually liking the pain or getting off on it. for me it's more about being able to endure it.

but then there is some pain that i actually like inflicted on certain parts of my body.. but damn i hate any nipple torture. i turn into a little whiny bitch.. but nearly anything else i can endure.

it's like.. ok.. you can bruise me, cut me, pierce me.. make me bleed.. flog me to hamburger.. but um.. can you take these nipple clamps off?

does anyone notice that while being able to take a lot of pain in some areas.. you find yourself unable to take as much pain in others?


I can handle a lot more on my ass than my upper back, I noticed.  For some reason, that's really hard to take.

I do enjoy a certain amount of nipple torture, but when they are twisted or pinched too hard I just want to get away.  And the other day, the Master I am seeing pinched my clit with his fingernails several times and that really freaked me out.

Sometimes there is too much going on at the same time and it leads to overload....like the time I had clothespins all over (up and down) and then hot wax on top of that (my first and only time for wax).  It was just too much and I couldn't wait for it to be over.

I've never thought of myself as much of a masochist or painslut but little by little I am learning to take more and the Master I am seeing said that he likes how I react and that he thinks I have masochistic tendencies which can be developed over time.

sp



juliaoceania -> RE: calling all masochists (10/16/2006 11:49:09 PM)

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does anyone view their masochism COMPLETELY different from submission? i have submitted to masochistic pursuits while i was in service at the time.



Sometimes I think they are incompatible. I am a service oriented submissive that is a masochist. I am not a sam, I will not act out for a pain session ( it would not get me that anyways). I wait patiently for him to up and decide to give that to me. This can be hard because I love it, but I love being submissive and pleasing more than I love pain... so in some ways the two fight each other.

I would hate it if he thought I saw him as a life support for a flogger, he isn't.



julietsierra -> RE: calling all masochists (10/17/2006 12:24:12 AM)

I'm a masochist. I don't consider myself a heavy masochist, but I am a masochist. I love the feelings, the things we do. I think if I had to just endure, I wouldn't be interested at all, and neither would he.

However, what everyone always thinks of when they hear the word masochist are those people who like to be hit. What I especially love are the things he does to my head. I like being made uncomfortable, confused, etc. I like having to dig up through it and realize that all those things he's doing are because he likes to watch the play of emotions across my face. I like knowing that I CAN dig up through them and come out better than I was.

In our relationship, we love and deeply, but I don't get all those claims of his feelings. No real words of tenderness or anything like that. I like that I have to read his actions, look for the subtleties, and have unmitigated faith in him rather than wait for all those niceties to come rolling off his tongue. I KNOW that when I want them, they sure are not coming my way, and often, that hurts - a lot. Yet, when I NEED them, when I think he surely doesn't care, and when he's not aware that I'm watching, I see his face soften and I know. And that's when I realize that he's telling me exactly how he feels in his own way, and that's perfect for me - even when it hurts.

There's more to sadism and masochism than being hit, poked and beaten. I never realized it before, but while it all plays real close to the "just fuck it, I'm gone" line, we've never crossed it yet. And in this regard, I am a VERY heavy masochist. 

juliet



mistoferin -> RE: calling all masochists (10/17/2006 7:09:09 AM)

Yes, I am a masochist. I'm not really going to get into the "how much" "how long" or "what" I can take though because masochism is not a competition. Each and every masochist is different and how little or how much one can endure is irrelevant. The defining aspect of masochism is that the individual can take some form of pain and process it as pleasurable. What may be too much for one may not be enough for another to reach the same conclusion. One type of stimulus that works well for one may be exactly the "wrong" type of stimulus for another.

Do I see my masochism as different from my submission? Well that would depend upon the dynamic between the top and I. If I am in a scene at a play party with a top that I have no other connection with...there is no submission connected to my masochism. I consent to be a part in order to realize my own agenda. I am fully in control of what I will or will not participate in for the duration of that scene.

Now, within the confines of a committed relationship my masochism is intrinsically intertwined with my submission. It is no longer about me fulfilling my own agenda. There is another whose agenda comes first and is far more important. The play is then guided by the Dominant and is not influenced by my whims. He controls, I submit.

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i know that if i can take it.. they surely better be able to.   


I think that this is a poor guideline to go by. As I said above...each individual is different. If I were a top I would surely not expect my bottoms to be able to take what I can. They are not me and most likely their "wiring" is much different than my own. I would want to learn the responses of the individual, what produces the desired result and what doesn't.

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poor things. i wonder how important it is for someone to get a warmup. i've had some tell me they can endure more if they've been warmed up first.. but either way they endure it all so the warmup is just needless extra work for me.  


This statement leads me to believe that it's basically irrelevant to you what works best for them. There are benefits of warming up. I guess though, the bottom line is what you are trying to achieve. If it is solely your own personal satisfaction then I understand. My personal opinion is that this type of approach shortchanges you in the long term.



SweetSarijane -> RE: calling all masochists (10/17/2006 7:51:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

SweetSarijane
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I love everything I've experienced to date including canes and I love getting caned on the bottoms of my feet too.


ah.. bastinado.. very cruel.. you wouldn't think something so simple can be so painful.

it hurts even more on the TOPS of your feet..

Oooooh now I'm definitely gonna have to try that!!! <grin>
It feels sooo good on the bottoms.


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does anyone view their masochism COMPLETELY different from submission?


Oh Definitely. Masochism is very much separate from submission for me. They can go together but for me each is different. I don't have to be submissive to be a masochist nor vice versa.


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but now, i don't really view my masochism as submissive.. i'm just the bottom and i have a top that controls what goes on. but the only thing i'm submitting to is my own desire to receive pain.


BINGO!!! Took the words right out of my mouth.





SweetSarijane -> RE: calling all masochists (10/17/2006 7:58:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin


Do I see my masochism as different from my submission? Well that would depend upon the dynamic between the top and I. If I am in a scene at a play party with a top that I have no other connection with...there is no submission connected to my masochism. I consent to be a part in order to realize my own agenda. I am fully in control of what I will or will not participate in for the duration of that scene.

Now, within the confines of a committed relationship my masochism is intrinsically intertwined with my submission. It is no longer about me fulfilling my own agenda. There is another whose agenda comes first and is far more important. The play is then guided by the Dominant and is not influenced by my whims. He controls, I submit.




That's how I feel. Bottoming to a Top at a party is totally different than submitting to a Dom. I don't feel submissive at all bottoming at a party. I'm getting what I want from him/her at the time and the only dynamic per se is friendship.



pixiecat67 -> RE: calling all masochists (10/17/2006 9:08:08 PM)

I've never been sure whether I am a masochist or not.  Some consider me a pain slut, and there are times when I've taken quite a whipping.  I adore bastinado, needle play (what a rush!) and being whipped.  Love fire play and wax play. But, like many others who've replied, I really HATE nipple clamps or really any kind of breast torture except biting.  And there have been times when my dominant had to tell me that I've had all I should have and more would do damage, and times when I've burst into tears within minutes. Can a person be a sometimes masochist? 

That said, the most pain I've ever taken was an hours long session that ended with a long session with the sjambok.  Oddly, I was barely feeling any pain that night.  Sheer pleasure, laughing, smiling, begging for more.  The session only ended because his arm was tired.  Most times the sjambok is too intense for me. I don't know what was up that night, but it was very memorable.

pixiecat



SweetSarijane -> RE: calling all masochists (10/18/2006 7:06:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pixiecat67

Can a person be a sometimes masochist? 


pixiecat



I am a masochist and a fairly heavy one, but that doesn't mean I always love all pain and can take all pain. There are times when I can't take very much, when all it does is hurt with no pleasure. Doesn't mean you're a "sometimes masochist". I think every masochist has those times. Smacking into something, stubbing my toe, etc is not pleasurable but doesn't make me a parttime masochist just because it doesn't feel good.



submaleslaveuk -> RE: calling all masochists (10/18/2006 7:13:12 AM)

i certainly do not consider myself a masochist, although i do have masochistic fantasies lol! What a dilemma! But i find that as long as i am with a Woman who really enjoys the Sadistic role i can go through any amount of pain and enjoy it.

Hope this helps, dont think i have been too clear on this but i am happy to try and explain myself more if anyone is interested in private if you wish!

take care all

submaleslaveuk
darren



Kalira -> RE: calling all masochists (10/18/2006 7:30:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i can relate to a lot of what people have said in their replies. especially the part about not actually liking the pain or getting off on it. for me it's more about being able to endure it.

but then there is some pain that i actually like inflicted on certain parts of my body.. but damn i hate any nipple torture. i turn into a little whiny bitch.. but nearly anything else i can endure.

it's like.. ok.. you can bruise me, cut me, pierce me.. make me bleed.. flog me to hamburger.. but um.. can you take these nipple clamps off?

does anyone notice that while being able to take a lot of pain in some areas.. you find yourself unable to take as much pain in others?




While I do not like pain...I can honestly say though that there are times I crave the pain from a cane. The only thing is that I can not take alot; 10 15 good hard swipes and I am begging to stop because the pain is too much.

Nipple clamps...oh god, I go into a panic of frenzy, literally lol. And yet, once they are on, and I have gotten past the actual intense pain, and can look in his eyes...it gets better lol. Not much, but some. At least until he takes them off, then it starts all over again [:o]

Across the genitals, I am screaming like a banshee
Across the ass, I can purr for a bit until it gets too much
across the back, same thing...ok until it gets too intense
legs and arms are not that really sensitive to pain for some reason, the same with my face ( I absolutly adore being slapped ). The pain from being dragged by the hair is a pain I will gladly take lol, I like the symbolism of it.
But show me a nipple clamp or needles and I am trying my best to run from you, no matter what lol.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: calling all masochists (10/19/2006 6:45:02 AM)

mistoferin
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I think that this is a poor guideline to go by. As I said above...each individual is different. If I were a top I would surely not expect my bottoms to be able to take what I can. They are not me and most likely their "wiring" is much different than my own. I would want to learn the responses of the individual, what produces the desired result and what doesn't.


i wouldn't take on someone that couldn't handle at least as much as i can.. because that would be asking me to compromise on my sadistic side.

to each their own. of course different people have different levels of tolerance. and i have the option not to train someone that can't handle what i have or can.

misoferin
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This statement leads me to believe that it's basically irrelevant to you what works best for them. There are benefits of warming up. I guess though, the bottom line is what you are trying to achieve. If it is solely your own personal satisfaction then I understand. My personal opinion is that this type of approach shortchanges you in the long term.


largely it is irrelevant to me, they take it anyway- warmup or not. i don't see any short changing there. my longest standing slave i've had for almost 5 years. on average they range from over 2-4 years. they entirely understand that depending upon my mood they'll have to endure whatever i dish out. no one is short changed. but i'm not one for warmups. if they wanted a warm up so badly.. then they wouldn't stay under my tutelage.



EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: calling all masochists (10/19/2006 6:48:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: submaleslaveuk

i certainly do not consider myself a masochist, although i do have masochistic fantasies lol! What a dilemma! But i find that as long as i am with a Woman who really enjoys the Sadistic role i can go through any amount of pain and enjoy it.



i can relate to that.. on both sides of the fence. i can endure more if i know someone TRULY enjoys inflicting it. and i can dish out more knowing that someone TRULY enjoys receiving it.. well, ok maybe they don't always have to enjoy it as much as i do.. but i like knowing they still take it because it amuses me.



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