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stef -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 2:45:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MizSuz

I informed him that, should the assigned task fail to occur again, I would find it necessary to go out and find someone to beat me for failing as his dominant and he would be made to watch, as I believed we were in it together.

Ya know, I never had to ask him about getting that task done again.

I realize that I'm not stating anything new here, but you're evil [:)]

~stef



sammie -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 3:17:17 PM)

Good Evening:

I have actually had this experience with a Domme who was more of a switch than a Domme. The individual wanted to be a submissive while guiding the direction that the relationship took. She enjoyed nipple torture and expected everything to related to this. Thus, I came to seeing her as topping from the bottom instead of being a Domme.

The result was a rather unfulfilling relationship which I backed out of fairly quickly. It seemed very unrewarding (?) and dishonest.

Over the years, I have only had a couple D/s relationships 'fail', but this one was the best example of failure. If this is the direction that you desire, you should consider yourself a switch!

Sincerely,
sammie



LdyAuburn -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 3:23:01 PM)

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Hence, the sub could intentionally leave streaks thus ensnaring the dom into inflicting the desired punishment.

Puishment is to be avoided, not desired



DameDarkness -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 3:47:11 PM)

I am only going to say one thing........... its gonna sound funny but think about it really hard and it will make sense. In a Dom/Domina and submissive relationship (excluding slave and Master/Mistress relationships) a submissive basically holds all the cards. Because a submissive is allowing the Dom/Domina to do such things to them. A submissive can say NO anytime and can make some demands. Now as far as the Master/Mistress and slave relationship I can see that the slave has no way in any case rights to take a Dominant role. So I dont think that a slave would enjoy being the Dominant at all.

*** edit because i wanted to put a movie quote in***

~The man is the Head but the woman is the neck -- My Big Fat Greek Wedding~~

In this case the Dominant is the head and the submissive is the neck. Only to state a fact that each role is dependant upon each. Yes the Dominant is the Dominant and the submissive is the submissive but if you disect it all the submissive inadvertantly directs the Dominant. Yes the Dominant takes control but the submissive allows that control to be taken.



Dame Darkness[sm=kiss.gif]



LdyAuburn -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 3:51:50 PM)

I think saying no , in a pick and choose situation would be likely to end the relationship reasonable fast. Perhaps it is a degree of how much choice they have?



proudsub -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 4:01:34 PM)

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There are many philosophical perspectives on this subject, and personally I am of the opinion that it is an orobian cycle, endlessly chasing its own tail


I agree. If my Dom demanded that i dominate then as the dominant one i would reverse it and tell Him to dominate.[:D]



Suleiman -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 6:46:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: proudsub

quote:

There are many philosophical perspectives on this subject, and personally I am of the opinion that it is an orobian cycle, endlessly chasing its own tail


I agree. If my Dom demanded that i dominate then as the dominant one i would reverse it and tell Him to dominate.[:D]


Oooh... been there, done that. Had to default to Rock-Paper-Sissors



RiotGirl -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 6:58:42 PM)

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StrictMaster78 -> Avoiding punishment (1/25/2005 7:20:58 PM)

In reply to a comment about punishment is to be avoided not desired by lady. I just want to state that as a Dominant I find it extremely refreshing to find a Dominant like my self who understands the true ideals us Doms should hold to. It is not our job to punish. It is our job to teach and guide our sub. I also am troubled by the many times I hear of physical punishments being told of by subs and slaves but I have not seen one time online of a sub or slave saying My Master or Mistress puinished me by teaching me what I did wrong by making me examine my behavior. If you do not teach your sub the desired behavior how can you expect it to be altered. Yes A severe caning works wonderes. I use it alot, but I always follow it with a lecture and discussion. I do not enjoy punishing my slave or sub. A real Dominant does not enjoy it. I enjoy sadistically torturing my sub, as a reward and/or for my and there pleasure. But punishments are not to be enjoyed and should NOT be by any real DOM/ME, MASTER, MISTRESS or SUB/SLAVE. Thank you and best wishes, and remember in this lifestyle trust is our greatest asset and safety is our greatest concern.[:)] For a true story on this topic read my journal. I tell a story of my last slaves worst punishment and how I was brought to tears at the end of it. Sadly she is no longer with us. She passed away four months ago from leukemia. Gena Ann Logan 1967 to 2004. Rest in peace my angel. Master Joshua. aka StrictMaster78



StrictMaster78 -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 7:24:02 PM)

P.S. How do I get that stupid vanilla symbol off my messages when I send out. I am far from vanilla LMAO. Sending my pic since I dont want that vanilla thing to ruin my rep. LOL.

[image]local://upfiles/84515/1669E32901184948BC6D5AA5ED53331E.jpg[/image]



stef -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 7:35:15 PM)

Send me $1000.

~stef



liltxsubby -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 7:50:14 PM)

maybe i'm not reading this correctly but this really makes no sense to me. Even if a sub is dominating becuase she was told to, i don't think that the Dom can keep up his role if he's always submissive. Something like this might work in a switch relationship, but i can't see a Dom and sub relationship working out at all. Personally, i would not be happy in the dominant position, even if being being dominant was submitting to a directive. I derive pleasure from serving, obeying, being submissive. It fills me with satisfaction to be this way. In a dominant position i would feel out of place, unnatural, somehow not complete. If a Dom wants a submissive role, perhaps he or she should consider switching.



LdyAuburn -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:16:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

Send me $1000.

~stef

how much to keep my vanilla?



stef -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:24:36 PM)

Going back is harder. That's $1750.

~stef



LdyAuburn -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:33:33 PM)

*sighs*



Suleiman -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:41:13 PM)

Pssst. I got some cheap mexican vanilla, only cost you two fiddy...



stef -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:56:38 PM)

Stop trying to peddle that cheap imitation vanilla flavoring in here!

~stef



LdyAuburn -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 10:59:31 PM)

Will I be able to tell the difference?



Suleiman -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/25/2005 11:59:55 PM)

Naw. Its the reeel stuph, man. Here, check it out

[image]http://www.collarme.com/forum/image/1star.gif[/image]

you see? cant nobody tell the difference, man. Just slap it on and go!



realophelia -> RE: Perplexing Question for a slave/submissive (1/26/2005 5:40:57 PM)

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Knowing of subserviants' desires for complete dominance by another, would not the perfect act of dominance be the command for the sub to take complete charge of the relationship, thereby making the dom the submissive?


Placed in this position, I think I might wonder if I wasn't being manipulated by someone who was actually sub. I mean, it's hard to imagine someone stooping to that. But it's even harder to imagine a Dom wanting to sub.

~Ophelia



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