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Master96 -> Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:29:57 PM)


When straight people get married. We have a husband and wife. What we have when two women marry each other or two men?

Just curious…



LaTigresse -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:32:36 PM)

two human beings that love one another and wish to commit  to spending the rest of their life together



TreSwank -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:34:47 PM)

Either a really clean, well-decorated house, or synchronized menstration.



Arpig -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:41:23 PM)

I don't know...maybe Spouses?



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:43:35 PM)

The married gay couple I know still consider themselves husband and wife.  One partner is very femme, and he is the wife.  They also refer to him as Mommy when they babytalk the dog. 



Aileen68 -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 12:47:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TreSwank

Either a really clean, well-decorated house, or synchronized menstration.


Hahahaha.  True.



Master96 -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 1:11:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I don't know...maybe Spouses?


Hummm........reasonable!



twicehappy -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 1:34:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

two human beings that love one another and wish to commit  to spending the rest of their life together


That is exactly how i feel!
 
Jewel's daughter and her life partner have to go to Cananda to get married and i think that is just wrong.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 1:37:18 PM)

I was going to answer right away, but then I thought...hey...I've got someone in my family who is much more of an expert than I (my boi is lesbian). So, I sent my answer to her and asked her opinion and answer. This was the exchange:

My answer: It boils down to gender identification. If the person, male or female, identifies as male, they are a husband. If they identify as female, they are a wife. So, we have husband and wife if there is a male identified person married to a female identified person, no matter what the sex. If we have two people married that identify female, they are both wives and if we have two people married that identify male, they are both husbands.

her answer/comments: Ma'am You are correct with Your answers but a lot of same sex partners identify as life partners or life mates.  When (name removed)and i were married and it came to the part do you take (name removed) to be your wife.....i said i do and then when it came to (name removed) do you take moe to be your wife....she said i do.  Then it went to i now pronounce you, (name removed), and you, moe, as Life Partners. It can get as confusing as any label....most often though you will hear someone introduce their same sex partner as a Life Partner....but again it is individual preference.

So, there you have it from a real life lesbian who's been married. LOL

Master Fire



Master96 -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 1:47:34 PM)

Please send my thanks to your boi Master Fire. Also, thank you everyone.



ToGiveDivine -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 1:53:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

two human beings that love one another and wish to commit  to spending the rest of their life together


That is exactly how i feel!
 
Jewel's daughter and her life partner have to go to Cananda to get married and i think that is just wrong.


Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?

Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.

If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.

Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion, so why would you want to attack religion in return?  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.



LadyEllen -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 2:04:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine


Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?

Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.

If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.

Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion, so why would you want to attack religion in return?  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.


Oh TGD - is this for real, or are you just trying to stir the pot!?

Homosexuals might be a little more understanding of the religious perhaps, if the religious zealots hadnt spent the last 1500 years torturing and killing them, and even today persecuting them!?

There are plenty of gay and lesbian Christians around - so why shouldnt they be able to join together with the blessing of their fellow Christians? Because of something supposedly said by St Paul or something said by Moses et al? The problem with that, is that the religion is called Christianity, not Paulianity or Mosianity etc. How do the hateful and spiteful attitudes of the religious zealots compare with what Jesus taught? They dont - there is such a contrast that no comparison can be made. Having said that though, I dont understand why gay men and lesbian women can bear to have anything to do with a religion that on the whole treats them as evildoers.

NB usual disclaimers as to the good, reasonable, true Christians who understand that Jesus' death and resurrection is what Christianity is about, not the attached preceding mythologised history of a desert people!

E



LaTigresse -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 2:11:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?

Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.

If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.

Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion, so why would you want to attack religion in return?  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.


I have no respect for any of the major religiouns so that is a moot point. I do however have great respect for two people that care enough about each other to want to commit the rest of their life to loving and caring for one another. I don't see marriage as having anything to do with religion unless the people getting married want it to be. In fact, as far as I have seen, our governments are a hell of alot more involved in the marriage process than any church now.

I don't believe anyone has to rub it in anyone elses face and use it to tear anyone elses beliefs down. I am a private person not a celebrity, I don't think any marriage I have would end on on People or Enquirer regardless of wether I marry a man or a woman.



MistressCamille -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 2:17:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine


Marriage is a religious sacrament and homosexuality is not approved by the major religions.  So, if religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle then why would you want to be joined by a sacrament of the disapproving religion?


Marriage is more than a religious sacrement. It's a legal commitment as well. That is why some get married at the courthouse. And I'd also disagree that "religion doesn't approve of your lifestyle". It's been a huge factor in churches splitting because there are many that do feel gays should be able to marry. Gays are just as entitled to have religious beliefs as anyone! And one more thing, being gay isn't a lifestyle. Gays cover about every lifestyle there is. Many are coupled and stay at home with the kids, living quietly.
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Why not get a civil union that provides the same benefits as marriage and be done with it?  Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.


If you think those are the only choices you have a closed mind. They have a right to have a ceremony in the religion of their choice just like everyone else does. Straight people don't own religion.
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If your goal is to tear down religion, then you deserve all the crap you get because most of the world's population believe in a supreme being and you are just wanting to fight the world.


If religion creates people with attitudes like yours perhaps it should be torn down. It's obvious your opinions are based on hearsay and not on factual evidence. Try educating yourself so you don't post so hateful. I would bet you'd have a lot more friends that way.
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Homosexuals don't like their beliefs to be questioned or attacked by religion,


And you know this because?? Does religion need to attack anyone? What's your IQ? Where in the world did you learn about gay people? have you ever considered you have been looking to the wrong sources?
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so why would you want to attack religion in return?


False assumption.
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  Someone has to be the bigger person, if it's not going to be the uber-religious, then maybe the homosexuals should take the higher ground.


I think they already have.



SlaveAkasha -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 2:33:53 PM)

When my partner and I were going to get married, we were going to all each other "my wife", or "my partner".
 
There are tons of Christians that are homosexual and bi-sexual.  We are both Christians and wanted to be married in a religious ceremony.  We weren't spitting on anyone, though they always spit on us.  We had as much of a right to want our union blessed by God, as anyone else does.  After all, we weren't after the approvel of humans, we were wanting to do it as a solemn vow to each other, in a faith that we both love, and which we were both raised.  We thought that because we were making the commitment of starting a family, that the time had come to make that declaration to the world. 
 
There is nothing wrong with two people loving each other, and sharing that.. the world would be a heck of a lot better if more "straght" people did the same.
 
Akasha



ToGiveDivine -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 2:57:59 PM)

Y'all, don't go shootin' the messenger now ...

I'm just saying what it is - you don't stop a train on a dime and you don't change 4,000 years of religious beliefs in a day.

I made a few generic comments about marriage and civil unions and out come the torches and pitchforks - you get up in someone's face against their religion and there will also be torches and pitchforks.

My thanks to the people who responded from proving my point that if you get up in someone else's business, they're going to push back.

I must say that some of the responses I got would require a perfect world and since that ain't gonna happen let's try to be realistic about it.

I'm not apologizing for the religious zealots - I'm just explaining why they can get nasty when it comes to gays and marriage.  Is it really worth the fight in the long run?



Emperor1956 -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 3:05:57 PM)

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ToGiveDevine:   Is it really worth the fight in the long run?


Yes. 



SlaveAkasha -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 3:15:36 PM)

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ToGiveDevine:My thanks to the people who responded from proving my point that if you get up in someone else's business, they're going to push back.



Why shouldn't someone push back if they feel they aren't able to live their lives with the same rights as everyone else?  Are they expected to just deal with the way things are, and not want them to change?
 
I don't think anyone should when it comes to civil rights for homosexuals anymore than so many did for African American rights, and Womens Rights.  As long as people are persucuted, they have a right to fight back and want their voices heard. 
 
It will be a sad world when they all just shut up and let things be, so that others don't get their panties in a wad.
 
Akasha



LaTigresse -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 3:22:30 PM)

I wonder what, ohhhhhhh let's say Martin Luther King, would have said had someone asked him "is it really worth the fight in the long run"



Arpig -> RE: Homosexual’s marriages… (10/17/2006 3:24:50 PM)

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 Either A) you want alot of attention or B) you want to tear down religions because you don't agree with them.


or C) go to a civilised country (like Canada) and get married



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