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WhipTheHip -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/19/2006 2:12:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedlyDevine
I do enjoy sporting a good bruise on my ass, or have my nips so tender I remember the night before.

 
 
Sounds like you are looking for a "top" not a "dom," someone who enjoys sexual sadism, but who
is not every dominant.  Is this right?
 
> I just like it rough, a good spank when I am being a brat, etc. 
 
Hmm!  Would you let him?  Or would he have to overpower you? 
 
> All of my calculations, like most subs are intentional and deliberate,
> attention seeking when I see fit, which isn't to often. 
 
> I am quite capable of being a good girl and often am, but once in
> a while, I like to get a rise out of him, it's all in good fun.  For example,
> I gave him a fair swat on the ass the other night with a plastic cutting
> board, he told me it hurt but didn't react. 
 
> About a half hour had past and he was in striking distance again,
> whap.....this time he got mad.  I was hoping he would get me,
> he is learning. 
 
Instead of hoping he would get you, tell him exactly what you
would like him to do when you wack him. I know this takes the
fun and pleasure out of it.  But after a few times of telling him
explicitly how you would like him to respond, he may get the
hang of it or he may not.
 
> Another time in the past, we were at a club and he was being
> a real stiff, so I poured ice down his shirt, not a whole cup, just
> enough to tell him to knock his shit off, lets just say it did not
> sit to well. 
 
I'm not so sure it would sit well with me, either.  Though I would
probably try to laugh it off.   How did you want him to react to
this?  Your answer here will be very telling, and educational to
me.  Did you want him to pull your head back by your hair
and kiss you, or take you home and tie you up, and lash you,
or put ice down your skirt, or just laugh it off, and start relaxing?
 
Cheers,
Michael





WickedlyDevine -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/19/2006 2:35:38 PM)

Mmmmm, all of it sounds devine....

I think my fave notion would have been him pulling my arms behind my back right there just enough to slightly hurt, pulling me tight up against him, let me know I was in for a good lashing when we got home, warning me to behave or else, hell I woulda been dripping with anticipation.  Me being me I woulda pushed just a little more.

Another notion would have been him publically violating me, not exposing me as I am terribly shy but grabbing and twisting my nipples with threat of more to come as he whispers heavilyfrom behind in my ear.  I would have swooned.

I would not tolerate him demanding we leave the club right then and there, but wouldn't have minded him taking me into an alley way and doing a couple of No-no's, just out of view but highly at risk.

I much prefer to be overpowered, but it takes one hell of a strong being to do that, I want him to have that power.  I want to give it to him.




Sinergy -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/19/2006 4:33:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subartist4dom

Yeah yeah we all have heard...DON'T PUSH THE RED BUTTON...  Me?  I wonder what this button does...*push*  .oO(worst that can happen is the world ends)  [sm=biggrin.gif]



On the Heart of Gold spaceship, when Arthur Dent pushed the inviting red button a little message popped up on a screen that read "DONT PUSH THAT BUTTON"

Not sure what that has to do with the thread, but there you go.

Sinergy




subartist4dom -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 4:23:06 AM)

At least someone has a little bit of humor here.  The whole red button is to basically point of the curiosity factor of WHAT IF and I couldn't resist the red button part since there was the whole pushing buttons complaint earlier.  [:D]  Granted I would've typed in my button font, but its not supported here. 




Sinergy -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 8:29:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subartist4dom

At least someone has a little bit of humor here.  The whole red button is to basically point of the curiosity factor of WHAT IF and I couldn't resist the red button part since there was the whole pushing buttons complaint earlier.  [:D]  Granted I would've typed in my button font, but its not supported here. 


Hello A/all,

I am a curious sort of person.  But I am not curious to the point where I want to break things that are working.

So I tend to tread softly and learn from things I experience.

But that is just me and I could be wrong.

Sinergy




sapphirepleasure -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 9:04:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedlyDevine

I would not tolerate him demanding we leave the club right then and there, but wouldn't have minded him taking me into an alley way and doing a couple of No-no's, just out of view but highly at risk.

I much prefer to be overpowered, but it takes one hell of a strong being to do that, I want him to have that power.  I want to give it to him.



These highlighted phrases jump out at me.  You seem to be the one totally in charge here, deciding what you want, and will or won't tolerate.  You even want to be the source of his power (and presumably can take it back at any point).  I do wish you well, and hope you can come to some kind of solution that meets both of your needs, but it sounds to me as if you are totally in control here and it's all about getting him to scratch your particular itch.




Aine -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 9:17:33 AM)

Being in a very, very similar situation, considering I introduced my boyfriend to the lifestyle and he immediately identified with being submissive...I can see where you are coming from, but I also think that you might be going at it the wrong way, considering how he is responding.

Or not responding, as it were.

Trying to tick him off to get the reaction you want, while might be in good fun at first and from your side, very well might turn into a  character flaw on your part.  You've tried it, it doesn't seem to work.  Skip on the brat attitude.  At least for a while.

Perhaps you should try the way I have been working for over a year with my boyfriend.  It's not going to be an overnight thing.  It's a long process, trust me.  There's a LOT  to process mentally, emotionally and physically. 

I simply describe.  I hate the word "tell" because I don't want to top from the bottom.  But for the time being until he gets more comfortable, that is essentially what has to be done.  He needs to be "shown" what it is that you like and you both need the practice.  The first thing we worked on was spanking and we're still working on it to be honest because of real life cutting in on our intimate times.

I'm not going to get into all the details, but I just want to express some of the basic things that need to be kept in mind.

KISS

Keep it simple, stupid.

(Don't take offense to that last word, k?)

Baby steps.  Knife play isn't generally in that category.  That's generally left for people with much more experience.  Physically and mentally, and yes, emotionally.  The danger factor if someone is uncomfortable or nervous is elevated.  Obviously.  He doesn't want to hurt you.  Simple.

Keep to things that are easier to adjust to.  If you like it rough, like I do....baby steps.  Holding your wrists above your head with one hand while using his other hand and  his body to force your legs open...

Light biting, spanking, tossing you over his knee or over the bed or back of a chair etc for spankings, light pulling of the hair, not yanking, but perhaps gripping a handful while you're giving him oral, allowing him to have a little control over how deep, how fast, how slow.

Also, instead of constantly giving him direction, SHOW him your submissiveness.

Like others have said, sit or kneel at his feet while watching tv together, see to his needs, ask if he needs something from the kitchen especially if you are gettiing something for yourself, but get his FIRST then go get yours.  Do little things to make him more comfortable, clean up anything that he's done using.  Keep up with little things around the house so he doesn't have to worry about it.

But then again, that is if you are submissive outside of the bedroom and really want to be his sub rather than a bedroom bottom.  So I'm going to include everything I can think of, take what you will from it.

Don't coerce him.

Make an example of yourself and be explicit and calm and patient  and consistent.  Show him that you want to submit to him.  After all, yes, you want to submit, but isn't it about submitting for his pleasure?  Make him comfortable, at ease with being Dominant to you.  In all aspects of your life, not JUST the bedroom.  That will help make the journey a bit easier to swallow and not so "shove it down your throat".  Show him that you get pleasure from submitting.

And if that's not your bag....

Then it might be that you're just a bottom.  But in order to get what you want, you have to be willing to give what it is that he wants as well.  Like others have said, alternate.  Do what he wants.  Let him explore more of his submissive/bottom side.

Doing everything -over time- will help you both in finding out what it is that you both want out of your relationship.

Helping my boyfriend explore his submissive side showed him that there's very little on that side that he really enjoyed.  At least thus far and has been exploring more on the Dominant side.  But again, it all has to do with mood and emotional state at that point in time.  Sometimes I feel quite Dominant and I know it's there and for the most part I can call on it whenever I want.  But with him, I'm more submissive.  But being submissive actually helped him see his own submissiveness and helped him identify, and once we had gotten comfortable there, he was willing to continue exploring some of your more, run of the mill Dominant activities with me. 

And for him, I could see that it was a bit of a struggle because he is VERY respectful of women, he's a total momma's boy and the favorite in a family full of girls.  Do I or did I find that he needed to be "reprogrammed"?   Absolutely not.

I still want him to be himself, respectful of me and all women and especially his mom.  I don't want to kill the momma's boy.  He just needed to know that it IS ok for him to spank me until I cried, to fuck my ass until I was in subspace and pretty much passed out, that it was ok for him to cuff my arms above my head and put me on my knees and fuck me like a bitch in heat while using my hair like a bit on a horse to pull me back onto him.  And I would love him for it, I would glow and beg for it and curl up against his chest afterwards, being held as his babygirl, and cherished.

I asked for those things.  I described what it was that I needed.  And if he gave it to me, I was honored.  I don't play brat to get it.  I ask for him to give it to me.  Yes, we are also good-natured and have senses of humour about WIITWD.  But there are times for it and there are not.  I brat to him only when it's agreed upon that that is what we are doing that night.  It's a mini-scene.  I don't brat just to brat.  Perhaps you need to set up a scene(s) where you both agree to you being the little brat and getting a spanking for doing something wrong.

He might be more receptive to that.




Kalira -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 8:58:46 PM)

Nicely said Aine




Aine -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/20/2006 11:49:28 PM)

Danke.

I was hoping it made sense.  I was tired and half watching tv when I was typing it up.  *grins*




Sinergy -> RE: HELP Please!!!! (10/21/2006 2:52:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedlyDevine

Ok last one, Sinergy, for one I like your final statement, "Just me, could be wrong, but there ya go".  Second thank you for your excerpt about not worrying so much about defining myself.  It is hard, I dont fit in a box, I dont think anyone does, and I hate being confined to such.  Now that I am married, definition is rather pointless, when I was dating however since I couldn't proclaim one or another I was often labeled to suit others needs, which didn't go far.  I remember one time I was called a SAM (smart-ass masochist) perhaps a tad, but it wasn't all of me.  However as I write here, some cannot grasp me because I do not exist in their definition of what they think I am or should be.  So in a world full of labels, I have none in this realm, I just know who I am, conveying that can be a chore.  In addition, thank you for respecting that we do love each other, and that above all comes first as a building block.  This is just the icing on the cake, even if we both have to submit a little to each another.


WickedlyDevine,

You are quite welcome.  You asked an honest question on an anonymous message board and there was a rush to judgement about your situation.  I would point out that only you and your husband know the full details of your relationship.  I would recommend you both keep your chin up and find the course that works for both of you.

I wish you and your husband success in your endeavors.

Sinergy




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