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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/18/2006 9:19:22 AM   
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Great post MFM

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/18/2006 11:04:08 AM   
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It seems everyone else has covered everything else pretty well, but I had another idea.  Why don't you donate to a sperm bank??  It's just a thought, it would give you a bit of extra money, and maybe give you a bit of the paternal stuff knowing you were helping someone else have a baby, even if you aren't ready to raise one yourself.
 
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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/18/2006 7:08:29 PM   
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I found all of the answeres enlightening,  especialy the one that was not given.  If you cannot talk with your friends about the desire to have children,  are they truely your friends?   I understand that you are at that point in your life where "hanging with the buddies"  is important.  But there comes a time when that all has to be left behind and we must grow up.  It sounds to me like you are at that cross roads.  Welcome to adulthood Tre

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/18/2006 7:17:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreSwank

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Sometimes I think you overanalyze yourself.  There is no male who wouldn't be tempted to shoot his sperm into a woman who's a stranger.  Not all males would do it, of course, but if you're here, that means your ancestors passed down their genes for dozens of generations, and I'm POSITIVE that a couple of them produced children with unfamiliar women somewhere along the way.




LOL.  Yeah......I don't see them all monogamously fucking through slitted sheets either.  Maybe I need to stop waxing sentimental over Gerber commercials, and start cutting down some trees, or gutting wild animals!  I know that a good part of it is biological, but I've felt few emotions in my life that are this powerful.  The only other thing I can compare it to was the one and ONLY time I really opened myself up emotionally in front of a girlfriend, and felt that tide of spiritual catharsis clean me up (because we all know that boys bottle it in until the breaking point).  I guess that I'll get over it sometime.....but I thought it was weird that it was happening at this point in my life.


The urge to procreate is a biological imperative.

The whole opening up in front of girlfriends and catharsis are the window dressing human beings put on it to explain why they desire to change crappy diapers at 3am, ground their children at 14 because they want to go on a date, and watch them use you as an ATM machine 24x7.

There is nothing wrong with having kids.  I have two of my own and I love the hell out of them.  But I would point out that to them you will always be their parent, in a way I suspect they may not always be your child.

Enjoy the feelings. 

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/23/2006 10:56:17 PM   
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I wanted kids bad, but I grew up. What a shame that this is how it is.

You know what is one of the most reprehensible things about the human race to me ? Food stamps. (now cards)

It's not the food stamps themselves, it is the reason they are needed. They are needed because supposed "parents" will use the welfare money for intoxicants etc., instead of feeding their own flesh and blood. People who would do that are scum. Animals will kill for their young, so where do they stand ?

I don't understand your reluctance to mention it to your friends. Or is it that they are wierd ? You are certainly not wierd for having this desire, but I have one warning.

Money. You need enough money to either get into a good neighborhood with good schools or tuition for a private one. It can make the difference between heaven and hell. And I mean some real money dude. At the same time you do not want the really affluent neighborhoods either. We are talking the effect on the kid's attitude here, and either extreme is no good. But you still need the money.

You need the money to survive a job change, a major problem with the house as well as many other things. I don't know what you do for a living, but to have a kid you need earning power. Like $25-35 an hour full time. Then instead of making sure you have the high definition DLP projector, you try to maintain reliable cars and a good environment in the home. Roofs over your head so to speak.

This pales in comparison to the time. You need time, kids do not raise themselves. You can't let your olady do it, even daughters need a Man's influence when growing up.

So all you have to do is work all the time, pay for everything and be home all the time. Then you can homeschool. Homeschooled kids outperform even those from the better private schools. If you want the best, start buying books.

No matter how much all this is worth, time still trumps it all. A full time job, getting a little, quality kid time and those few other things people do generally require about 35 hours a day. Sleep ? forget about it, it will be a thing on the past.

I have friends with kids, and I know that I am missing out on a type of fulfillment that bites me in the back of the mind every once in awhile. I was involved with their kids and was dubbed Uncle Terminator, but it's still not the same. Off to college they do not call me when they ace a test they thought they were going to flunk, or get a new girlfriend.

If I had a kid right now, I would be 65 when they graduate highschool. This is not fair to them. Putting, or hopefully just helping them through college when I am in my 70s ? So think of it this way, you got about a 10-15 year window right now. Don't be in a hurry (sounds like you're not), use this time to educate yourself. I don't care if you go to school, but you obviously know how to use the internet somewhat and seem to be articulate. Find some subject that interests YOU. By letting your mind's fire weld your pyramid of knowledge together, you gain manifold. You learn better how to learn independently.

When you are ready, you will be able to MAKE SURE you kids know how to read before they go to school. If not they will think phonetically which is a disaster.

As an aside, did any of you other older folk notice some changes to English ? Phoenetically has become phonetically, contribulatory negligence has become contributory negligence and criminologists now seem to be criminalists. Did anyone notice that besides me ?

Whatever, the MOST important thing is the right Woman. Stay together, don't try to drive a car with your feet, you need two people, and the perspective of both sexes. I come form a home that broke when I was ten. DO NOT do this to someone. If you're going to split up, do it before the kid is born, at least they'll be used to it.

Don't let this discourage you, just prepare for it. If you got friends with whom you can't discuss wanting kids, you might have to count them out, but it is worth it. When I was in my prime for it I was too wild, believe me.

I wish I knew then what  I know now.

T

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/23/2006 11:12:07 PM   
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Quick,

If you have any anger problems, handle them now.

Also, I am allowed to use the word wierd, because I am wierd. What happens to your friends is up to you and them. But I did realize that if, for example, all your friends were gay, I could see why you might not want to bring this up. Really I can think of no other reason. I mean I can't see hiphoppers, punkrockers whatever being against the idea. I don't even see any reason gay people would be against it, I can't see how anyone would be against it.

I am really in the dark here why you don't wan't to bring it up. If you care to tell, I would be interested to know.

No matter what, good luck.

T

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/24/2006 4:06:59 AM   
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Tre, I have the perfect solution.....make yourself available to do some babysitting for relatives....they will appreciate it and will feel they owe you, and you will have this desire for paternity pounded out of you by the little buggers
It really does work, I had a friend who thought he was jealous of me when my unmentionables were little, I let him mind mine for an afternoon.....3-4 hours of diapers and whining & he was cured.

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/24/2006 4:55:49 AM   
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I've got two unmentionables and I'm still waiting to want my first. I rarely go to any of my friend's homes that have children, I can just about cope with my own but I can't cope with other peoples. Imerse yourself in the little bastards for a time and if that doesn't cure you then maybe you really do have a problem that can only be fixed by parenting little unmentionable bastards. Believe me it is more fun making them than having them or even if it isn't, bad sex doesn't even last a night, unmentionables last a life time.

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/24/2006 5:11:25 AM   
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I spent a couple of summers looking after my two nephews and niece. Their dad would pick them up each evening. That was the high point of the day, and I have no desire for any of my own.

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RE: Too Awkward to Discuss with Friends - 10/24/2006 5:27:19 AM   
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Maybe if I had a child, I wouldn't sit around and brood all day............with my sole goal being the pursuit of carnal pleasures and Bacchanalian revelry on my weekends.  So vacuous..........so tragic.  You know, I'll bet that there are poor bastards in third world countries who would kill for my life - but I like to bitch anyway.  I think that people like myself NEED the family life, especially with no family of my own.

Man, I've got whining down to an ARTFORM, let me tell ya.   Young white folks are freakin' good at that.

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