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"Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 1:56:13 PM   
MasterRenegade77


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Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop
using so much gas is to deport 11 million illegal immigrants! That
would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would
come down.

Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border. When they catch
an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and
some ammo and ship him to Iraq. Tell him if he wants to come to
America then he must serve a tour in the military.

Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his
tour,he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country.
He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option
will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the
troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves.
If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, but without the canteen,
rifle or ammo. "Problem solved".

If you think this is a good solution to both the
problems, forward it to your friends. I just did.


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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 2:10:53 PM   
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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 2:50:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your profile says your 77. Surely you are not going to be around long enough to make all this worrying about illegal immigrants worth the while. Why don't you just live and let live and enjoy the years you have left.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 2:58:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Didnt the Romans do something similar towards the end? Recruiting from outside their borders in return for citizenship at the end of service?

Look what happened to them.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 3:43:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Romans started this practice at the tail end of the Republic, and maintained it as an Empire. There were three basic levels of service for non-citizens.
 
Fundatores were groups of local soldiers that fought with men of their own nationality in the style of their homeland, and usually under their own officers. They were rarely given citizenship, but were allowed to settle on Roman land.
 
Auxilia were non-citizens that were armed and trained by the state, normally organized by 'lange' or language. As such, they were usually from the same region. At the end of service, they were granted full citizenship, although were rarely given the pension plot.
 
The Miles Gregarious (ordinary soldier) often included picked men from the Auxilia, that were selected to bring Legionary Cohorts up to size. The moment they were selected, they became citizens.
 
It's a myth, mostly started by Gibbon, that the Roman field armies at the end of the Empire was mostly made up of foreign troops that were not citizen soldiers, and who were serving to gain citizenship. This has been completely disproven by modern historians. The Comitates (field army) was primarily made up of highly trained citizen soldiers, augmented by troops personally loyal to various commanders, such as Stilicho and Aetius. Paid mercenaries were also widely used. The huge numbers of Goths used as part of the Limitanei (border troops) were never given any sort of citizenship ... they were mearly allowed to settle on Roman land, or were paid troops.
 
The truth of the matter is that it's the early Empire period that saw large numbers of non-citizen soldiers, serving to gain citizenship. Early Roman armies were close to half Auxilia, including all the cavalry, other than the Equites Alares and Equites Illyria.
 
By the end of the Empire, this had largely vanished. By that time, most people from areas within the sphere of influence of the Empire, were already citizens.
 
Sort of a highjack ... my apologies.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 3:56:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Love your idea MasterRenegade. There are far too many immigrants in the United States. I saw statistics on the news yesterday saying that the number of asians in the US is expected to triple. I wouldn't have a problem with immigration if there were plenty of jobs to go around. As it is, Americans are losing their jobs to immigrants with B1 Visas just because they work for a lower wage. Many people insult the younger generation saying the parents were so much better. It's not our fault there aren't enough jobs to go around anymore. The older generation prospered because they had something the younger generation will likely never see........job security.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 4:39:01 PM   
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Love your idea MasterRenegade. There are far too many immigrants in the United States.



About 350 million isn't there?

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 4:50:38 PM   
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Love your idea MasterRenegade. There are far too many immigrants in the United States. I saw statistics on the news yesterday saying that the number of asians in the US is expected to triple. I wouldn't have a problem with immigration if there were plenty of jobs to go around. As it is, Americans are losing their jobs to immigrants with B1 Visas just because they work for a lower wage. Many people insult the younger generation saying the parents were so much better. It's not our fault there aren't enough jobs to go around anymore. The older generation prospered because they had something the younger generation will likely never see........job security.


There are job shortages in many fields.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:01:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there are job shortages. Too many Americans are getting laid off either because of outsourcing or to be replaced by immigrants with a B1 Visas. There aren't nearly enough jobs for these laid off workers and all the new immigrants. Pretty soon America will be made up of rich corporations and starving citizens.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:04:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Love your idea MasterRenegade. There are far too many immigrants in the United States. I saw statistics on the news yesterday saying that the number of asians in the US is expected to triple. I wouldn't have a problem with immigration if there were plenty of jobs to go around. As it is, Americans are losing their jobs to immigrants with B1 Visas just because they work for a lower wage. Many people insult the younger generation saying the parents were so much better. It's not our fault there aren't enough jobs to go around anymore. The older generation prospered because they had something the younger generation will likely never see........job security.


People are also losing jobs to immigrants in this country, this is true.

But a larger proportion of the jobs lost in this country have to do more with service industries being off-shored to places like India where the large multi-national company can pay pennies on the dollar for what they would have to pay here.

The only company I know of which still makes athletic shoes in the United States is New Balance.  There may be one that makes women's shoes as well.  Those are jobs for the American people.  I refuse to use self-check out counters in supermarket because that is a heartless corporation's attempt to get rid of a worker.

As long as the owners of companies like SBC or Pacific Bell can do all of their phone support and internet support from the antipodal part of the world, it doesnt make good business sense for them not to.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:07:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		        Interesting thought.  When we had the "Day Without Immigrants" protest a few months back, it translated to the "Day Without Traffic Hell" here in the LA area.  Think how much we could save on road construction and maintenance as well.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:09:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The older generation prospered because they had something the younger generation will likely never see........job security.



This is an interesting quote, defiantbadgirl, but I did want to add one comment to it.

The older generation prospered because they were born into a world with a labor shortage following World War 2.

After they got theirs, they kicked the door shut so the next generation would not have similar opportunities to the ones they had.

My parents are in their early 70s.  They still work.  They are very wealthy people and could have retired 20 years ago and lived quite well.  But they refuse to stand down for the people to come behind them.  Their only motivation seems to be greed.  It is not a quality in a person I personally find very attractive.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:23:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		An excellent start- but not enough on it's own...
 
howabout a system where one must serve at least one four to six year term of enlistment before being granted citizenship, regardless of nation of birth. Anyone wishing to pass on the program may- but they may never vote, hold public office or any civilservice job, nor participate in Social Security, Welfare or any Goverment program.
 
 

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:26:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		"There are far too many immigrants in the United States."

...surely the only fair definition of 'immigrant' in the USA is anyone not of indigenous blood.......or is immigrant in this sense only being applied to a select group of people, in which case further clarification is required........

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:43:24 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: topcat

An excellent start- but not enough on it's own...
 
howabout a system where one must serve at least one four to six year term of enlistment before being granted citizenship, regardless of nation of birth. Anyone wishing to pass on the program may- but they may never vote, hold public office or any civilservice job, nor participate in Social Security, Welfare or any Goverment program.
 
 


Heinlein proposed that in his book Starship Troopers.  Which was completely editted out of the stupid movie they made about it.

One aspect of this is that there were jobs for Peaceniks as well.  It was service towards the Body Politic which defined whether to let a person vote or hold public office.  They had earned the right to do so.

Fascinating idea.  Not sure how likely the current crop of politicians will be to vote it in to office.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:45:53 PM   
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"There are far too many immigrants in the United States."

...surely the only fair definition of 'immigrant' in the USA is anyone not of indigenous blood.......or is immigrant in this sense only being applied to a select group of people, in which case further clarification is required........


Want to take it back far enough, it becomes obvious that any human being in North America is an immigrant.  Humans crossed the ice bridge during one of the ice ages and did everything they could to slaughter the big animals and deforest states like Arizona and Nevada.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 5:49:35 PM   
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LOL I've got 22 years before I'm 77...


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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 6:08:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Somehow she thinks immigration is the US's biggest problem, while completely ignoring its considerable upside. Xenophobia is a live and well.

MasterRenegade wears ignorance like a badge of honor.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 6:16:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gregarious?!  Laugh--that's funny.  Those were the soldiers who liked to hang out with each other, right?

Ah, the ignorance of ignorance.

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The Miles Gregarious (ordinary soldier) often included picked men from the Auxilia, that were selected to bring Legionary Cohorts up to size.

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RE: "Problem solved" - 10/18/2006 7:33:15 PM   
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Of course there are job shortages. Too many Americans are getting laid off either because of outsourcing or to be replaced by immigrants with a B1 Visas. There aren't nearly enough jobs for these laid off workers and all the new immigrants. Pretty soon America will be made up of rich corporations and starving citizens.


I was referring to jobs that remain unfilled.  Look into the medical and teaching fields for some examples.  And, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but America already contains rich corporations and starving citizens, and they were present before you started worrying about "too many" immigrants.

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