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What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon????... - 10/21/2006 9:47:18 AM   
PrincessArriana


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Hi,


I have been receiving many requests from my subs to see me in a dungeon. I can rent spce from dungeons n NYC, but im interested in having my own play space. What sort of location should I look for? Studio Apartment? Basement? Empty loft space??? Can any Mistress or experienced person give me some advice on this?? Thanks!

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:49:37 AM   
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and how do I change the annoying little vanilla ice cream cone???

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:51:26 AM   
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The ice cream cone will go away when you get to 26 posts.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:51:42 AM   
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Can't answer about the dungeon, but the icon is controlled by how many posts you put on the forum.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:54:50 AM   
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ok.... thanks for the ice cream cone info

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:57:11 AM   
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I have used an empty room in my house for my dungeon before, and now I am using my garage. I build my own furniture such as St. Andrew's cross, spanking bench and cage.  I would suggest a basement or empty loft space as the best. Lots of room is important with good ceiling heighth. Best of luck. 

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 9:58:36 AM   
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thanks mr wild

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 11:03:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessArriana

Hi,


I have been receiving many requests from my subs to see me in a dungeon. I can rent spce from dungeons n NYC, but im interested in having my own play space. What sort of location should I look for? Studio Apartment? Basement? Empty loft space??? Can any Mistress or experienced person give me some advice on this?? Thanks!



I'm making an assumption in that you're a professional domina or at least going in that direction (subs, requesting play locations, etc.)

Do you have any idea how many professional dungeons there are in Manhattan and the metro NYC area?  And do you know how slow their business is to the point that a number of really established places have just closed their doors after being in business for 10+ years?

Personally, if I were looking at it from a business perspective, I'd:

-- price real estate purchase (a loft in a non-residential area) vs lease, perhaps a small industrial space in an area that's not already populated with pros
-- have a clear understanding of all of the utilities and expenses for that space monthly
-- understand what you need for occupancy permits and business licensing, and understand your tax obligation.
-- Whether you're renting or buying, you MUST figure in insurance payments, either as renters insurance or business insurance on your investment.
-- gain knowledge about NYC domina advertising, including website maintenance, DDI ads, and the other little rags that are still left.  This may require professional photo shoots or professional services on a one time or continued basis for photography, site design or website maintenance, plus of course, the web hosting.
-- Price outfitting an entire playspace.  If you don't already have equipment where you are right now, you're talking probably $10,000 to get up to where the other prodom houses are in Manhattan.  (And that's a very low figure.)  You'll be painting, draping, decorating, installing light fixtures, sound system, etc.  The dungeon furniture could be purchased if you have endless resources (Sonny Black in LA has the most experience in outfitting a commercial dungeon) or find a slave who is QUICK and who can build things to suit your space that you could take elsewhere.  Simple things that are requested involve a spanking horse, bondage table, a cross, a cage (puppy crate) and crossdressing gear.  Add onto that portable equipment: floggers, whips, paddles, dildos, nipple clamps, candles, clothespins, restraints, rope, canes, etc.  Figure in depreciation and replacement on all of those too.  (I'm not even going to touch your wardrobe and personal maintenance, as that's a lesson that you should already have if you've got multiple slaves chasing you down....)
-- What are supplies going to cost you?  Condoms for toys, cleaning supplies, etc all add up.  That figure has to go into your monthly budget.
-- And now work up a business plan, figuring out how many clients I'd need to see to turn a profit monthly/weekly.  The news is that you have NO real control over the number of clients who will respond and come through your doors.  You may have to resort to renting to other pros, renting the space out to photographers or doing the things that all of these other commerical spaces have had to do to make ends meet.

Good luck.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 12:20:53 PM   
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THANKS MISTRESS PANDORA!
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 12:26:52 PM   
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I wanted to add amongst all that is the actual location.  How often are you going to use it and where it is.  I am sure you don't want to rent a space beside and old age home.  Or a school for that matter.  Discretion is best. That is being responsible.  Parking and street lighting is also an factor.  When and what times you are giving your sessions.  Good luck.  It's alot of work, but SO worth it!!

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 12:34:40 PM   
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The only thing I can think to add is: What about noise? I'm assuming (bad habit, I know!!! lol) that your activities will generate a lot of sound (screaming, whip cracks, etc.), so you may want to consider a place where 1. noise isn't a problem (industrial, rual), or 2. soundproofing can be installed.
 
Good luck!!!

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 3:53:49 PM   
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THANKS SO MUCH LADIES, THIS HAS ACTUALLY HELPED ME...

IM SURE IT WILL ALL BE WORTH IT!!



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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/21/2006 4:07:50 PM   
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Ok some practical concerns.  Make sure that the walls wherever you rent space are something easy to sink anchors into, Make sure that if it's a finished basement, or loft that the studs are in good condition, and evenly spaced,   if you feel comfortable, sinking anchors into masonry, then that's fine, but it's alot more work to even just put up gear pegs, if you don't have the right equipment to do it.  Also, try and find a space with floors that are not carpeted, and I would even suggest avoiding wood... something easy to wipe down and bleach when necessary.  Concrete, Tile, etc.    Another concern this time of year is heating etc. If you like keeping your subs/slaves naked, you'll have to keep the space warm, (well I guess you don't have to but most won't consider frostbite as "fun" pain.) 

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/22/2006 2:02:01 AM   
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Start small and cheap and work your way up. Your local gas station and Dairy Queen (employees) are full of ex-prodommes that believed the old "build it and they will cum" axiom. Think Frugal Domme, cheap rent of a facility and go from there. Best of luck.
P.S. Most "S/M" related device's and items can be made or bought at Home Depot or similiar type stores. Don't bankrupt yourself on high dollar items, leather, outfits and implements. Let the business pay for itself as it builds and grows.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/22/2006 9:57:52 AM   
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I can add a few insights here.  If you are close enough to a quality public dungeon must less many, I suggest using the public dungeons.  The "burden" of maintaining a private play space may be more that you realize financially.  Using a public dungeon means you only have to pay when you play.  If you are wanting to be a ProDomme, you can build a base of subs and grow your following without a financial burden.  Then you can move to a private space if and when you need more access to a public dungeon than can be garnered easily.  Or you may need a private play space if you play outside the limits the public dungeon will allow. Many private dungeons will not allow blood play and some body fluit activities.  Check out the dungeons available to you and see if their rules of engagement are within your boundaries of play.  If so, why create a financial committment?

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 10/22/2006 3:06:18 PM   
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I dont have a lot of room in my front room  but I have put up red and black curtains and have all of my stuff in here for play, ready to be set up.  this place is temporary and as soon as I get ahead enough will have  a two bedroom and set up a special room and maybe a basement.  Start with what you have to work with and go from there.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 11/20/2006 10:47:50 PM   
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i don't like the idea of working and living in the same space. the last thing i want anyone to know is where i live if i end up with any disgruntled clients or their partners. i don't want them being able to threaten my personal space. 

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 11/21/2006 7:16:23 PM   
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What the reason for the downturn in business in New York? Is it just over saturation? One would think that I city that size should be able to sustain quite a few places.

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 11/21/2006 9:12:14 PM   
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What the reason for the downturn in business in New York? Is it just over saturation? One would think that I city that size should be able to sustain quite a few places.

It seems to be happening in many metro areas.....

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RE: What are the proper steps to getting my own dungeon... - 11/26/2006 11:03:10 AM   
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F.y.i. I was lucky..there was a really cool room built right into my basement...15 x 22..and with about $1'000 and your neighborhood Home Depot..it's turned out to be pretty amazing.Not to mention a couple of very handy (and talented) subs. And in your own home you are more selective.. and you don't have to sound proof..... hoping you find what your looking for....

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