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How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 10:47:54 AM   
Morrigel


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After seeing so many threads of male subs complaining about why they never seem to find Mistress Right, here on Collarme, I thought I might try to post some of the...uh...dubious behavior I have seen, in only a few days here.  Hopefully, any male sub who genuinely wants to relate well to me and other dominant gals (at least the ones who share my tastes and views) will read this.  Who knows...maybe it would help?

I have read a lot of posts here which tell people to beef up their profiles, post an attractive picture, make sure they list their interests and fetishes, etc etc etc...but to be perfectly honest, the one thing most likely to cause any contact I have with a potential sub to crash and burn is simple:  his attitude.

Male or female, it is amazing how many submissives adopt a peevishly domineering attitude, in relating to a potential domme on-line.  In the past few days, I have had male subs in the initial phases of contact try to do a number of goofy things, including the following:

--Offer to display themselves on cam for me, and then insist I reciprocate with a cam of my own to "prove" that I am not only who I say I am, but female at all.

A clue for you gentlemen:  if you do not believe I am EXACTLY who I say I am, much less that I am even female!--please do not bother me at all.  Much less offer to show me your charms on cam.  Good Lord.  I can understand having doubts about my intentions, our compatibility, or the hurdles that may have to be overcome in order for us to meet and play together--much less become a committed D/S couple.  Many a slip between that cup and lip, there is no doubt!  But if you are too cagey to assume a basic level of honesty from me--even to the degree that I really am a dominant woman in my mid-to-late 30's--I'm sorry, but I am not the domme for you.

Perhaps some other dominants use cams for potential submissives--especially those who are seeking clients for their professional services.  I do not cam, myself.  I had fun with it during earlier eras of sexual experimentation, but I have found that camming, like most exhibitionistic acts, is an essentially submissive passtime.  Or at best a form of advertising. 

--I have also had more than one man approach me claiming a long history of service of dominant women, going back to his teens or 20's, or even to previous generations of his family.  Such a man will often claim to be a "natural and true born slave" and make an overwhelming offer of the most abject financial, personal, and sexual slavery imaginable.

I find such offers to be Hawt (tm), of course, but any attempt to communicate with such men generally devolves almost instantly into their attempts to bully me regarding how and when email messages are to be read, threatening me with severing contact if I do not agree to his definitions of the words "real", "slave", or even "man", etc., and all sorts of other high-handed disrespectful nonsense.  It quickly becomes apparent, in other words, that the person I am talking to is actually living in sort of weird pathological fantasy land, and defending a cherished idea of absolute submission from the intrusion of a real person and her opinions--much less her real dominance in real life!

So another word to the wise:  please don't construct elaborate fantasy scenarios about being a "natural born slave" all your life if you still have the social skills and mannerisms of a bored business man who uses his internet submission as an escape from reality.    Those of us who really do have long-term life experience with D/S relationships are not impressed by people who claim to be one thing, and act like another.  I am more than able and more than willing to tailor my dominance to an individual and his ability and desire to submit--but before I can do that, I need the man to be communicating honestly with ME and with HIMSELF on a variety of levels.

Long term D/S experience and the ability to offer enormous gifts of time, energy, and even financial support, are of course appreciated.  And I am not disputing that "natural born slaves" exist at all--of course they do, and men like this have often been happily serving women all their lives.  But the people of this persuasion that I have met personally (I have never owned one) have never been peevish, angry little goblins whose natural impulse was to tell a woman what to do, and to throw tantrums if she did not agree with their views or conform to their fantasies. 

Anyway...to sum it up, basically:  I do not care what a man's level of experience is in D/S, so long as his attitude is good.  I know my tastes in this regard are different from others, but I am not a Brat Tamer, and I am not attracted to people who have a hard time distinguishing fantasy from reality.  In fact, I find such people more than a little spooky, when they enter the D/S scene.  And just speaking solely for myself, I do not enjoy hostility or passive aggression of any kind, but especially when meeting someone for the first time.  If defiance is part of a scene, wonderful, but keep it in the scene; I don't like people who are rude jerks via email or chat any more than I like them over drinks and dinner. 

In general, the number of male submissives I have seen who are simply rude or unstable has surprised me.  I know this is a standard in all Internet contact situations, and to a greater/lesser degree to all human contact in general...but I also have accounts on a few other sites, so I have some basis for comparison.  This site has a much higher volume of messages-per-day between people--but also a much higher volume of weirdness and flakiness.  Perhaps because it is free?  It's hard to say, since I tend to use my accounts on other sites mostly to meet friends and models for my photography, rather than to find lovers and toys...

Anyway, I thought I would post this, just in case there might be a few submissive men out there who really do want to find a lifestyle domme (a woman who does not charge money for professional services), and are looking for an exclusive d/s relationship...but who do not realize that a bad attitude is keeping them from sweeping Mistress Right off her feet and into a lifetime of service and decadent pleasure.

It's not all about looks, about income, about having the biggest penis or all the right interests and fetishes.  Sometimes the difference between meeting for coffee and being ignored is simply about charm.  And what charms me, as a domme, is a lot of what charms all women about a man--subtracting the usual dominance attributes that submisive and vanilla women find most attractive with respect, politeness, warmth and decency, of course.

Dommes are not stupid--we can usually tell the difference between a good man and a bad one within a few sentences, regardless of whether the proposed relationship is vanilla or spicy.  And a jerk is a jerk, dom or sub.

Just my two cents.

--M

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 12:19:59 PM   
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Well said!
Lunamor

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 4:20:42 PM   
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Well said, well said! Got one of my own to add...

How Not To Get Lucky With Julia
-Throw yourself at her right off the bat. Being a sub does not mean you have to lose all self-respect!

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 4:27:02 PM   
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How not to get lucky with Ronne....................

start or participate in other than scathing fashion on a thread along the lines of ---

What kind of grease does Mistress prefer on her strap-on, or alternatively please write an essay on what Mistress expects for toilet services.

Farting in your face is ok, and I can be tempted to not wash my feet for a day for you to lick them, but money slavery will be heavily involved in these cases, I don't particularily care to eat a dozen pickled eggs or so on any given day.

Ronne


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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 4:31:44 PM   
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Well, I can't speak for those who have contacted you previously but I DID look up my lineage in the Mormon lineage thingy and my father, his father, his father before him and so on....back to 634 A.D. were sub.

(So...some of us are actually telling the truth on that!)

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/22/2006 4:37:42 PM   
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Lol...I didn't realize there was such interesting information in Mormon lineage texts.  I grew up in the Southwest; if I'd known I could find hereditary subs in the Mormon community, it would have simplified my teenage dating enormously.

--M

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 6:06:20 PM   
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Awesome thread!!!!

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 6:15:00 PM   
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Just remember.

Not EVERYONE wants what YOU want...or agrees with you about what a "good attitude" is.

There are just as many needy, abusive, fickle, naive, self-centered, overly sadistic, narcissistic "ME" dommes
out there as there is male faux subs.



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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 8:11:31 PM   
Morrigel


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve
There are just as many needy, abusive, fickle, naive, self-centered, overly sadistic, narcissistic "ME" dommes out there as there is male faux subs.


Oh, good Lord yes.  But keep in mind--I haven't used the word "fake".  I'm not interested in defining "true submission", or casting judgment on the quality or terms of anyone's play-personality.  I was really just trying to say that how a man behaves toward me in the early stages of contact, when we exchange emails and such, can really make the difference between meeting and playing with me--versus spending another night at home playing with himself.

The problem with responding to this with "Yeah, well...dommes aren't so great either!" is that even the "neediest, most abusive, ficklest, most naive, most self-centered, sadistic, narcissistic" ME domme in the world...is still probably not going to have to pay a man to submit to her, or do without a playmate for long.  Can the average submissive man say the same?

Face it:  the fact that there are bad dommes out there makes it even more important for you to make a good impression on the ones that are actually NOT selfish, insane, or taking American Express. 

--M

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 8:28:40 PM   
sissifytoserve


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Morrigel


The problem with responding to this with "Yeah, well...dommes aren't so great either!" is that even the "neediest, most abusive, ficklest, most naive, most self-centered, sadistic, narcissistic" ME domme in the world...is still probably not going to have to pay a man to submit to her, or do without a playmate for long. Can the average submissive man say the same?



Well guess what? She won't get jack from me..money or otherwise..if she thinks she is "Superior" (Supremacist) to me whatsoever..because i already know she isn't.

I DAMN well won't serve her. Yup..and ive been ALONE for a while. Probably won't change either.I won't live a LIE or compromise MY SELF for someone elses bullshit when they don't deserve it. I used to..untill I realised I WASN'T wanted for WHO I was..but for WHAT I COULD DO for her.
Never again.


I could tell you what truly constitutes (for me) a dominant female..but i won't bore you with my "submissive" details.

Signed:"an average submissive man"

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 8:52:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Yup..and ive been ALONE for a while.


Really?  I can't imagine why.  Could it be that your approach leaves something to be desired?

quote:

 Probably won't change either.


Nope, probably not.

I'm sorry that you consider it "living a lie" to develop even the most rudimentary social skills.  Unlike you, however, most men who are attracted to women would actually like to BE attractive to women.

This thread wasn't posted for guys who are content to spend the rest of their lives alone, stewing and fuming in sexless, loveless, self-righteous bitterness.  It was posted for the benefit of men who may have problems getting to first base, but actually DON'T want to be alone, and who really WOULD like to meet and spend time with a dominant woman. Or at least, would like to make it as far as a local coffee shop for a face-to-face meeting, and a chance at bat. 

--M

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 9:07:30 PM   
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I'm GLAD i'm not desirable to you. Sounds to me like you are completely full of yourself and actually believe you know what's best for men.

Rudiementary social skills...nah..I just won't BEND to your pathetic limits and standards of what a male is supposed to be.

Your "bend to my will" post didn't win any points to any critical thinking sub with a sense of himself who isn't swayed by a BIG ego i'm sure.

Your female supremacist philosiphy you prescribe to in your profile was the FIRST giveaway.

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 9:10:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Your "bend to my will" post didn't win any points to any critical thinking sub with a sense of himself who isn't swayed by a BIG ego i'm sure.



Doncha love these comments?  If I now say that it won points with me, what does that make me?

Yours,


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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 9:14:59 PM   
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Gee I don't know...You show up to comment whenever it seems to suit you.

You figure it out.

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/24/2006 9:28:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Morrigel

In the past few days, I have had male subs in the initial phases of contact try to do a number of goofy things, including the following:

--Offer to display themselves on cam for me, and then insist I reciprocate with a cam of my own to "prove" that I am not only who I say I am, but female at all.

A clue for you gentlemen:  if you do not believe I am EXACTLY who I say I am, much less that I am even female!--please do not bother me at all.  Much less offer to show me your charms on cam.  Good Lord.  I can understand having doubts about my intentions, our compatibility, or the hurdles that may have to be overcome in order for us to meet and play together--much less become a committed D/S couple.  Many a slip between that cup and lip, there is no doubt!  But if you are too cagey to assume a basic level of honesty from me--even to the degree that I really am a dominant woman in my mid-to-late 30's--I'm sorry, but I am not the domme for you.



Just playing devil's advocate here....
As you stated later in your post, there are a lot of flakey people on this site (as well as other sites).  I have first hand knowledge that there has been at LEAST one person on this site who presented HIMself as a female domme.  It's very simple on any site to make up a profile that is totally bogus.  Although I don't usually require to see someone on the cam, I do require a phone call within a reasonable amount of time and definitely before I meet the person.  I never assume anything!
Mistress Scarlet

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/25/2006 3:08:53 AM   
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sissifytoserve,

We've already got your "nyah nyah nyah" message over 500 times (the number of your repetitive and predictable posts).

You don't have to repeat it at every opportunity: trust us, we'll already know you're there, muttering and stewing about all the bad dom ladies you've known, or never will know.

Lunamor

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/25/2006 4:24:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet

Just playing devil's advocate here....

As you stated later in your post, there are a lot of flakey people on this site (as well as other sites).  I have first hand knowledge that there has been at LEAST one person on this site who presented HIMself as a female domme.

It's very simple on any site to make up a profile that is totally bogus.  Although I don't usually require to see someone on the cam, I do require a phone call within a reasonable amount of time and definitely before I meet the person.  I never assume anything!
Mistress Scarlet


Actually the point of that story was...it was not my idea to start up the cam in the first place.  He offered, I accepted the offer--English was not his first language, so I assumed he wanted to show submission rather than clumsily try to write about it.  But the fact that the cam was NOT my idea was clue #1 that I am not a man faking it. 

Also, quite frankly, the fact that my profile clearly states that I am looking mostly for people in my immediate area, or for people who can re-locate very rapidly so that we can meet face-to-face and get to know each other as soon as possible, is clue #2.  A man pretending to be a woman to try and troll for camboys is unlikely to take that tack--he's much more likely to go for that "on-line training" garbage, for which I have zero use.

The fact that I didn't approach him at ALL first was clue #3.

Clues #4 through 4 billion all have to do with the fact that I think, talk, and act like a real woman.  Not at all like a man pretending to be one.  I don't have much respect for anyone who can't tell, to be honest.

Regardless, I have no problem with people who don't want to cam at all; turning on a cam is never something I request.  As long as I've seen a picture and they are willing to meet in public asap, I don't care.

I do not give out my number, however, unless I am pretty darned certain that I want someone to be part of my life.

--M


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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/25/2006 4:41:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

I'm GLAD i'm not desirable to you. Sounds to me like you are completely full of yourself and actually believe you know what's best for men.


Lol...ah, now we get to the crux of it.  Fear of rejection, eh?  You are so terrified that every dominant woman will judge you and find you unworthy that you want to make sure that you reject them all first, before they can say no?

By being unpleasant and prickly, you assert some control over the situation--it's much easier on the ego to pre-reject all dominants than to actually try your hardest to win their hearts and still hear "no" more often than not.

Poor poor sissy-fy....

As for the rest...yes, dear, I am full of myself.  I'm a domme.  Duh.  I'm not in the role out of weakness, insecurity or fear; it is natural to me, and has been all my life.

And if you don't want to submit to me, that's fine.  I'm not interested in howling about how you must be a "fake" or "not a true sub" or whatever garbage I'm supposed to say because I can't be Mistress Right for every single entity on this planet that happens to have a penis.

Have you looked around lately?  There are 3 billion of you.  If I was the One and Only for every guy, I'd get a little freakin' tired. 

Anyway, good luck to you.  I'm sure there must be a self-loathing insecure underconfident and yet still somehow perfect in every other way domme out there who is just DYING to be topped from the bottom.  You'll find her eventually and live kinkily ever after. 

--M

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/25/2006 4:45:46 PM   
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Great letter.  Well written and explained.

Bravo Ms Morrigel

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RE: How Not to Get Lucky With Morrigel - 10/26/2006 4:36:33 AM   
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The fact of the matter is that there are plenty of guys who pose as Femdommes on sites like this. Believe me its true. Like the subs who top from the bottom, Dommes who don't reply to emails and the me, me ,me, subs, these people help ruin it for everyone. i understand the need for verification (on both parts) but i agree that demanding 'cam' right off the bat is a bit extreme. A phone call is excellent but for me it feels like i am imposing on the Domme so i leave that till later. It's a balancing act. Often times you can figure it out just from chatting. However, if She is looking for photos of me other than whats on my profile or a gift then i will need to verify She is a She.
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