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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

With only two political partys in office it's like a see-saw, one party is up, then the other and you never "go" anywhere!

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ORIGINAL: toservez

It can be quite the depressing thing as any radical change is certainly remote. Money talks and what popeye wrote was accurate.The money just goes from one unethical greedy group to another.

The one thing though I think can be changed is the polarlization of the agendas. Most people Dems or Reps identifiy more in the middle but the current government is being run by the extremists. I do think we as people by restoring checks and balances can help this, and I also think it is important to get moderates from both groups into office which we can do with a more informed and active voters.

To me zealots like King George, and if the Dems actually had an effective leader I would name them, are dangerous for our country. Things like compromise, compassion and being able to recognize mistakes and try to correct them are lost on them. They are right and that all that matters. It is just dangerous.

The "I'm right" thing is prevalent on both sides, as you say. You see shitloads of it here at CM, and you know it isn't contained to just here . I think you're right about the need to get some more moderates, or at least those willing to entertain compromise in DC, and find a way to get the lobbyists out.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I just got three e-mails, one from Stephen King, one from Sen. Ted Kennedy another from Sen. John Kerry talking about how we need "Change" in this country and asking me to vote for Democrats in the upcomming election.
How are we going to "Change" things in this country by swapping Democrats for Republicans or vice versa every few years?
And Kerry has been in politics for some 35 years! Does anyone think he wants to "Change" anything?
When he and Michael Dukakis were Lt. Governor/Governor they took the "Massachusetts Miracle" and turned it into the Massachusetts Massacre with jobs and businesses moving out of the state en mass.
The only thing that would "Change" under the Democrats are the names on the checks from the Lobbyists on K street in Washington.
And how is Ted Kennedy considered a "Progressive?"
Is that the name of his insurance company or the status of his alchoholism?
Ted Kennedy, after FOURTY FOUR YEARS in a drunken stupor  in office is a "progressive" and is going to "change" things?
What's he going to "change",  from Chivas Regal to Johnny Walker Black? (I ahhhh, ahhhh, ahhhhhh think,.............. Rah, Rah, Rah!")
Ted reminds me of one of those "screamers" that you see occaisionally on street corners, brain addled from alchohol yelling at everyone who passes by until the Cops finally "PC" them for 4 hours.
Two fucking political DINOSAUERS and now they're for "change?" They call themselves "Progressives?"
"Re-gressive" certainly.
"Change", ...two dimes and a nickel for a quarter. That will be about the extent of their "change."
With only two political partys in office it's like a see-saw, one party is up, then the other and you never "go" anywhere!
The e-mails also said we need to send a "wake-up" call to Washington.
Oh I fully intend to do that!
If it says "R" or "D" behind someone's name they won't be getting my vote!
And if there's only "R" or "D" I'll vote for neither!
Lou Dobbs of CNN is urging people to vote Independant to send a real wake-up call to Washington!
That's what I'll be doing!
Now, as for Stephen King, what's that all about?
Stephen King is a Democrat?
Now THAT'S scary!!!!
I thought he was intelligent.
Your thoughts please!
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

toserve, I've noticed that too.
You always see "Libs" and "Cons" arguing with each other but rarely Greens or Libertarians or Constitutionalists.
It's the Democrats and Republicans who are polarizing the country.
They've been the only two partys in power for many decades now and I just don't see any "change" comming while either of them are in power.
No sense of compromise with those two.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I have a question.  What happens if after all the votes are counted and let's say they are all evenly divided between all the parties.. dems, reps, libers, greens.. >
 
Are the greens and libers at the barter of the dem and reps or what?  Is this actually a solution for  a corrupt majority to form or will those votes go to the highest bidder?

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ORIGINAL: toservez

It can be quite the depressing thing as any radical change is certainly remote. Money talks and what popeye wrote was accurate.The money just goes from one unethical greedy group to another.

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The one thing though I think can be changed is the polarlization of the agendas. Most people Dems or Reps identifiy more in the middle but the current government is being run by the extremists. I do think we as people by restoring checks and balances can help this, and I also think it is important to get moderates from both groups into office which we can do with a more informed and active voters.

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To me zealots like King George, and if the Dems actually had an effective leader I would name them, are dangerous for our country.

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Things like compromise, compassion and being able to recognize mistakes and try to correct them are lost on them. They are right and that all that matters. It is just dangerous.

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ORIGINAL: subfever

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ORIGINAL: toservez

It can be quite the depressing thing as any radical change is certainly remote. Money talks and what popeye wrote was accurate.The money just goes from one unethical greedy group to another.

That is correct.

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The one thing though I think can be changed is the polarlization of the agendas. Most people Dems or Reps identifiy more in the middle but the current government is being run by the extremists. I do think we as people by restoring checks and balances can help this, and I also think it is important to get moderates from both groups into office which we can do with a more informed and active voters.

That may temporarily ease the symptoms, but it still doesn't address the cause. Frankly, if anything, putting a band-aid on the problem would probably just lull the masses back to sleep.

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To me zealots like King George, and if the Dems actually had an effective leader I would name them, are dangerous for our country.

Agreed.

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Things like compromise, compassion and being able to recognize mistakes and try to correct them are lost on them. They are right and that all that matters. It is just dangerous.

I am neither a fan of the Republicans nor the Democrats. However, this current administration is the absolute scariest I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Popeye.....

I turned my ballot in yesterday{ Oregon is vote by mail} I voted for my first democrat ever, Peter Defazio, after I saw that he co-sponsored two libertarian minded bills with Ron Paul And Dennis Kucinich. Every other selection was for a non-incumbent, libertarian or green party member.

On all the measures.... I voted for the side that either takes money out of the governments coffers or takes power and oversight away from unelected bureaucrats.



- R

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Now, as for Stephen King, what's that all about?
Stephen King is a Democrat?
Now THAT'S scary!!!!
I thought he was intelligent.
Your thoughts please!

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

toserve, I've noticed that too.
You always see "Libs" and "Cons" arguing with each other but rarely Greens or Libertarians or Constitutionalists.
It's the Democrats and Republicans who are polarizing the country.
They've been the only two partys in power for many decades now and I just don't see any "change" comming while either of them are in power.
No sense of compromise with those two.

I have a question.  What happens if after all the votes are counted and let's say they are all evenly divided between all the parties.. dems, reps, libers, greens.. >
 
Are the greens and libers at the barter of the dem and reps or what?  Is this actually a solution for  a corrupt majority to form or will those votes go to the highest bidder?

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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Now, as for Stephen King, what's that all about?
Stephen King is a Democrat?
Now THAT'S scary!!!!
I thought he was intelligent.
Your thoughts please!

So you thought Stephen King was intelligent, and he is a democrat.   Have you changed your mind about his intelligence or the fact that you might be wrong about your own party affiliation (or lack thereof), and agreed to follow his more enlightened path?    M