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juliaoceania -> Astrology (10/24/2006 7:32:45 AM)

No I did not put this in the wrong place, it is not a poll, and I am not asking people to list their astrological signs. These are serious questions.

Logically I can find no reason to believe in astrology, it is seemingly impossible that where the stars were when you were born would have an impact on your character and the flow of events in your life, but it seems that many people I know are very much outwardly like their sun signs, and the people I know that had their complete charts done were even more like their complete chart in a deeper way. It is kinda weird, has no scientific explanation to me.

Now I know that there are enough traits under each sign to give people some of each, and that we can all be stubborn, quick witted, a worrier, or some other random trait, but not all of us have a strong propensity to certain traits.

The reason for this thread is, how much do you feel you mirror your sun sign and ascendent sign (the two most important). Do you know what these signs are, have you had your chart done? If you have a partner do they resemble their sign or chart strongly, how about your unmentionables... do you have a chart for them, do they share the characteristics of their chart?




LaTigresse -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 7:35:32 AM)

When I had my chart done I was actually very glad to read it. It explained alot of things about my life and the way I deal with people. I have also done my kids charts and found alot of....ahhh haaaaaaaaaa's.......in them also.




juliaoceania -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 7:38:37 AM)

That happened to me also, my son strongly resembles his chart, so does Sinergy, and so do I.... it is very odd.....lol




Arpig -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 7:42:57 AM)

Actually there is a very simple scientific explanation for it. Coincidence & self-delusion.




juliaoceania -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 7:48:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Actually there is a very simple scientific explanation for it. Coincidence & self-delusion.


This is entirely possible, but all beliefs could be self delusions




Arpig -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:00:01 AM)

LOL good point Julia, and one I am not inclined to dispute.




meatcleaver -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:06:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Actually there is a very simple scientific explanation for it. Coincidence & self-delusion.


This is entirely possible, but all beliefs could be self delusions


All beliefs or faith based beliefs are delusions. There have been enough books written about how our brains work and why it is easy to convince ourselves into believing the most unbelievable things. It is much harder to be rational and objective than to believe in nonsense.




juliaoceania -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:21:46 AM)

Yes meatclever, even Atheism could be nothing but delusional.. ya never know




Mercnbeth -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:38:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

...Logically I can find no reason to believe in astrology, it is seemingly impossible that where the stars were when you were born would have an impact on your character and the flow of events in your life, but it seems that many people I know are very much outwardly like their sun signs, and the people I know that had their complete charts done were even more like their complete chart in a deeper way. It is kinda weird, has no scientific explanation to me...


Requiring a logical belief or scientific proofs in astrology in order to use it as a tool for understanding yourself, others and improving your quality of life is like requiring a logical belief in modern psychology or scientific proofs of its theories in order to use it for your benefit as well.
Either one works best when you have "faith" in it.  this slave sees faith as the "evidence" of things not seen or beyond definitive scientific proof.





 
quote:

If you talk to God, you are praying;
  If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.

   If the dead talk to you, you are a spiritualist;
  If God talks to you, you are a schizophrenic.

   --Thomas S. Szasz,
The Second Sin,


quote:


The reason for this thread is, how much do you feel you mirror your sun sign and ascendent sign (the two most important).

this slave does not feel that they are the two most important aspects of a chart.  this slave's astrological "faith" is in the entire chart, the aspects of the entire astrological "snapshot" taken at the moment one arrives in this plane of existence.  it takes a lot more effort than the reading of the blurb in the newspaper that corresponds to your sun sign, which unfortunately, is some folks only exposure to astrology and one of the reasons this slave feels so many poo-poo it.

quote:

Do you know what these signs are, have you had your chart done?


20 years ago, before the internet made having your chart figured out mathematically an almost instant and free experience, this slave checked out books from the local library, spoke with hippies and gypsies that had an understanding of the history, prostitution and helpful aspects of astrology and cast her own.
it is relatively cheap or free to have a chart drawn for you. it is free here: http://www.alabe.com/freechart/. the interpretation of your chart however, should be done by a competent astrologer, or educate yourself and interpret it yourself. all it costs is time spent and an open mind.[:)]
 
quote:

If you have a partner do they resemble their sign or chart strongly, how about your unmentionables... do you have a chart for them, do they share the characteristics of their chart?

yes, and as their entire chart is a portrait of the astrological snapshot that existed at the specific time and place of their birth, which is much more than just one or two aspects they might share with others, they are the ONLY ones that resemble their particular chart...unique, like their fingerprints.




Sinergy -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:48:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Actually there is a very simple scientific explanation for it. Coincidence & self-delusion.


"Astrology is the science that is based on the idea that hurling rocks in space know more about what kind of day you are having than you do."  Douglas Adams

The problem with having leanings towards Zen Buddhism, is that I tend to approach life with the idea that everything in it may be simply an illusion.

Kinda fun illusion, though.

Sinergy




Arpig -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 8:51:08 AM)

just for clarification, I have had my chart done 3 times (my ex-wife was into it), each time I did resemble what was in the chart in many ways, but here is the real kicker......none of the three charts in any way resembled eachother, they all contradicted eachother, and I conformed with different aspects of each one...just as I am sure you will conform to many aspects of any chart done for anybody. The key to good astrology is to make very specific sounding, yet sufficiently broad statements, so that the majority of clients can see themselves in the reading.
It also helps if you know the person you are doing the chart for. I used to teach tarot card readings (again, my ex wished to learn how, so I learned how and taught her), and the more you know the subject the more "accurate" your reading will seem to them.
Astrology is the oldest of flim-flams.




juliaoceania -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 10:35:19 AM)

quote:

this slave does not feel that they are the two most important aspects of a chart.  this slave's astrological "faith" is in the entire chart, the aspects of the entire astrological "snapshot" taken at the moment one arrives in this plane of existence.  it takes a lot more effort than the reading of the blurb in the newspaper that corresponds to your sun sign, which unfortunately, is some folks only exposure to astrology and one of the reasons this slave feels so many poo-poo it.

 
 
Perhaps it would be better to term them the most "influential" or "the most dominant" influences. That is just my understanding of it through my studies of astrology. My father drew my chart when I was a wee little thing, and I inherited one of the more special books he had on the subject. I have had my chart interpreted by two people in addition to him and unlike arpig, my charts were intepreted very closely.

The last time I had my chart read it was by a friend online that is really into this, more so than I have ever been. It was shortly after I discovered my submissiveness, and she noted that although I am an Aries,  the interesting thing was I was not "domineering" at all, and had the desire to be controlled sexually and that power "games" had a strong influence on my sexuality... I was a little floored that she was this specific about a trait she had no clue about as she did not know about my submissiveness... it really surprised me.

Some of the other things in my chart I was not surprised by because she knows me fairly well as arpig states, but these were aspects that another person doing my chart picked up on also, and they did not know me....

I know my Daddy seems to fit a chart I did for him via http://www.astro.com/ which has many cool free tools for people to use.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 11:48:36 AM)

Its rather scary  to read about Myself in a chart and have so many things right on the money.
Most descriptions of the Scorpio sign...fit Me to a T.
I have actually told people you want to get to know Me better go read about Scorpios.It cant all be coincidence that it fits Me.




LotusSong -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 11:49:05 AM)

Astrology is more than just a sun sign.  You have 12 signs..yo have twelve houses.  In the calculations you place all the planets in what ever house they were in at the time of birth.  These are then sub divided into decants.
 
I'm an Aries in the Sagittarian decant in the 12 house of Pisces..  Then there are the degrees of the signs relating to which house they fall in. There are a couple ways to do a chart.  There is the equal house method.  There is a more accurate Placidian method (which is a bit more specific).. my example.. in the Placidian chart.. I'm an Aries in the Sagittarian decant with my house of Aries containing a full house of  Taurus.
 
So you see that newspaper column horoscopes are really useless.
 
It's like love.. you know it exists but can you prove it concretely.
 
I found when it's "right on" people believe.  The converse is true- if it doesn't tell them what they want to hear.. it's all bullshit.




popeye1250 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 11:52:57 AM)

Yeah, how many people would "believe" in Astrology if they had the following reading?

"You're a no good bastard who laughs when an old lady trips and falls over a curb."
"Small animals and children hate you!"
You're sooo cheap that  if you take a dollar bill out of your pocket George Washington blinks from the light."
"You're a pathological liar. Bill Clinton and George Bush have NOTHING on you."
"It would have been better for the planet if your mother were hit by a bus and you were aborted."

Why are those Astrological readings always good and flattering?




Lashra -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 1:23:27 PM)

I had my chart done and yes I have nearly everyone of the traits it stated. Thats pleasant and unpleasant ones. I had my sub done as well and his fit him perfectly as well. Do I believe they are 100% accurate? No, nothing is I don't think. But they do seem to come rather close.

~Lashra




eruditegirl1 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 2:00:12 PM)

While I believe that astrology is more of a base...kind of like the nature then add in the nuture to complete the equation....New Age Astrology....by Suzzane White....mixes western and chinese astrology....quite interesting reading......
 
http://www.suzannewhite.com/newastrology/index.shtml  




cuddleheart50 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 2:04:14 PM)

I believe in astrology. 




Lorelei115 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 2:15:51 PM)

I've taken courses in Astrology, so I can actually say a couple things about this subject.

1. The underlying belief of astrology is not that the position of the stars in any way influences your life. Astrology is a belief that the macrocosm reflects the microcosm. (Not sure if I spelled that right, but thats not important.) The same way that both a solar system and an atom have the same fundamental shape to them- a central mass orbited by smaller masses. Its the same belief system that is behind that irisology or whatever, that looks at the iris of your eye and tells you about yourself.

2. Astrology as explained to me, is not a 100%, "This is the way your life is GOING to be" science. Your astrological chart is like your DNA. Your DNA might tell you that you have the potential to have heart disease, but that doesn't mean you will definitely have it. With diet and exercise, you may avoid it completely! Your astrological chart simply tells you the way your life has the propensity to go. Its up to you how you let that effect you.

3. To answer why you don't have negative chart readings from "professionals" thats easy. People don't want to hear about bad things in their lives. You don't make any money from telling people the negative things in their charts. Plain and simple. I've done readings of my own chart, and had readings done by others that were really not-so-nice. I've been told that I am scatterbrained, unreasonably mistrusting of strangers, and that I need a severe dose of self-confidence. (All true, by the way.)

In the end, I use astrology as a tool to get to know myself better. If a certain alignment of planets in my chart evokes a response in me, I need to study MYSELF and find out why. Like someone else already said, its like tarot. When you use it properly, it leads to introspection and questioning your subconcious.




popeye1250 -> RE: Astrology (10/24/2006 2:20:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

I believe in astrology. 

Cuddleheart, I wonder what Ted Bundy's chart would have read like?

"You have great manual dexterity." (Yeah, for strangling!)
"Blonds and brunettes attract you."
"You will be sought after by many people!"
"You will have much contact with those in authority." (LOL)




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