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I may just have to do a Noah Webster and write my own...

Taggard

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ORIGINAL: SirTyson

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Did a mojority of people agree on the definitions as penned by Noah Webster?

That very much sound to me like you are implying they were his definitions, and they weren't. They were words that already had meaning just being used improperly or pronounced differently.

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Nor did I ever suggest that we make up words to describe the roles in BDSM.

Ok, lets look at one of your earlier posts...

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If there wasn't a word that described what they did, they wouldn't use an already existing word and have it mean something else. They would use a combination of other words, or they would create a new word.

So you are contradicting yourself now?

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So having no definitions is going to make them feel welcome?

I not having definitions or trying to label people and telling them that those words or what you make them, what you and your Dom/Domme...Sub/Slave..agree upon.

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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

But then, that's exactly what it will be....your own. I can't, in all fairness and good faith, accept how you define submissive and slave. Just because you make a dictionary, doesn't mean it will become codified in the vernacular and that all will abide by it.

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ORIGINAL: SirTyson

It doesnt say anything about you being in the lifestyle. I can post my information on the web also, doesnt mean Im out.

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Dominant - One who is given the control in a consensual exchange of power between two people.

Submissive - One that gives their control to another.

Top - Generic term for Dominant or a Partner that plays the Dominant role in a scene without psychological exchange of Dominance and submission.

Bottom - Generic term for submissive or a play partner that takes the submissive role without psychological exchange of Dominance and submission.

Master- A] revered individual, one who has mastered the skills we use in the scene. B] the owner of a slave C] a jerk off who thinks he can get easy sex by introducing himself as master D] ‘Master’ is often used to describe women, many of whom dislike the term ‘Mistress’

Slave- A] a submissive who submits not for their own pleasure, but to please another. B] an owned or ‘collared’ submissive. C] A revered individual who takes their submission very seriously, and masters the skills we use in the scene D] a ‘submissive’ gives consent on a case by case basis- a slave gives it once, and only retains the option of serving or leaving

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I used the word "penned" for a reason. If I had said he "wrote" them, it would be possible to confuse my meaning and assume I was suggesting that he invented the definitions himself

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Two people in a room can agree to call themselves Tom and Jerry for all I care, but if they do it on an Internet message board, they better not hope people know what they mean. I, for one, like to be understood. I like to use words with a precision that most do not appreciate (as shown in the "penned" example above).

If You are so fond of definitions, then You would see that its not hard to misunderstand you. 'Penned' or 'to pen' means to write something, to be the author...

But then I am just being pedantic (you can look that up if you like)

But it does prove the point that, no matter what one is called, or what one believes they are saying, someone-somewhere will always think it is, or you are saying, something else.

But why are you so hung up in grouping everyone together? Why do people have to belong... why cannot they just exist as they want. And most importantly... why must they fit your ideal? Why try and dictate and force your idea onto others. I can understand the need for definitions... soup is soup and noodles is noodles... but theres so many types and kinds and flavours, and one persons soup is another persons noodles. Ain't dat jus grand?

Black maybe black... but there are so many different shades. Maybe this colour isnt black... maybe to someone else, its just a very dark grey...

hmmm... can a synaestesist smell a megalomaniac?

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

But why are you so hung up in grouping everyone together? Why do people have to belong... why cannot they just exist as they want. And most importantly... why must they fit your ideal?

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I really don't care if people belong...I certainly am not trying to belong anywhere. I just want words to mean something...and I can't stand the relativism of "everyone decides what a word means to themselves."

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ORIGINAL: topcat

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Slave- A] a submissive who submits not for their own pleasure, but to please another.

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B] an owned or ‘collared’ submissive.

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D] a ‘submissive’ gives consent on a case by case basis- a slave gives it once, and only retains the option of serving or leaving

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My primary desire, in this lifestyle, is to own a slave. Dominating her is not all that important to me. I am a service top, I like to pamper those I care about. So when someone describes a slave in terms of submission, it disregards my kink...and perhaps the kinks of others as well.

By Your definition there Taggard, as a service top as you describe it, I would be a slave. But, I am not. And if You met me, I may not meet your criteria as a slave, more a submissive... or maybe not even that.

No One is disrearding any kink... but each kink is unique and you just cant define it. Nor can you describe it. You can try, but at the end of the day, It Doesn't Matter. Only the people involved in the specific kink understands it because of the sensations involved.

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ORIGINAL: dark~angel

By Your definition there Taggard, as a service top as you describe it, I would be a slave. But, I am not. And if You met me, I may not meet your criteria as a slave, more a submissive... or maybe not even that.

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No One is disrearding any kink... but each kink is unique and you just cant define it. Nor can you describe it.

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Wow I got it.....my new self "label" will be masoslub!

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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Nor did I ever suggest that we make up words to describe the roles in BDSM.

Ok, lets look at one of your earlier posts...

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If there wasn't a word that described what they did, they wouldn't use an already existing word and have it mean something else. They would use a combination of other words, or they would create a new word.

So you are contradicting yourself now?

You are confusing my pronouns. The "we" in the more recent post refers to the authors of the BDSM dictionary. The "they" in the earlier post refers to those who feel they have something for which there is not already a term. In other words, if someone shows up who likes to have leaves insterted anally, and there isn't a word to describe their fetish, they can make one up. If that word gets into use by enough people, a dictionary writer may choose to include that word in the next edition of his dictionary.

The dictionary author doesn't make words up, but people do.

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Two people in a room can agree to call themselves Tom and Jerry for all I care, but if they do it on an Internet message board, they better not hope people know what they mean.

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I'd be happy to latch on to other's definitions of roles (I am pretty lazy as a matter of course), but all of the definitions I have read are inadequate to describe my reality.

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ORIGINAL: SirTyson

Im not confusing your pronouns at all. You said you are not suggesting words be made up, then you said make new words in the second post.

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In your first post you said "I have started pushing these definitions of slave and sub, and the difference between the two", because you said there was no standardization of the definitions. Why does there have to be one specific meaning to slave and sub? Most words in the modern day dictionary have multiple meanings.

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Well people have given you links to some BDSM dictionaries and because you dont agree with those dictionaries, you want to create your own dictionary with your own meanings. Why should yours be the standard over others that are out there?

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Noah Webster's dictionary didn't catch on over night and it will take a long time for any dictionary, to become a standard in this lifestyle if it were to happen.

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I think BDSM terms deserve very specific and precise definitions.