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TeeGO -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 4:54:59 PM)

Ma'am calls me her personal Rotwieller. I'm also her confidant and best friend. But sometimes she does use me as a doormat, and that's not so bad.  ;)




MzMia -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 6:58:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TeeGO

Ma'am calls me her personal Rotwieller. I'm also her confidant and best friend. But sometimes she does use me as a doormat, and that's not so bad.  ;)


Congratulations you big strong dedicated doormat, your Ma'am is lucky to have you.
What a great combination, strong and compliant!
[:D]




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 7:18:29 PM)

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I don't seek someone
I must "force" or "tame" or anything remotely related.  Give me the sweet, pussycats, and
yes I will also take and love my little doormat.
Like the expression goes, "If momma ain't happy, no one is happy!"
Amen to that!  [sm=preen.gif]  M




MzMia -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 7:53:11 PM)

Hello again M!
I think there is a big difference between a submissive that adores his Mistress,

and in his devotion is a "doormat" for her.
And, someone who is just a "doormat".
Who the hell wants someone who is just a doormat, period?
I don't know about you, but that type of deep devotion, loyalty and sincerity
makes me "hot".
LOL




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 9:05:14 PM)

I agree that no one seeks out a brainless dork...  How is he going to learn all the things that makes us unique, and court us appropriately from learning about us in conversation and paying close attention?  

You know MzMia, I've never met a person who was so completely free of self interest that he would be considered a doormat.   So to me this doormat is a foreign concept that has only been used in email to grate on my nerves as when some random guy introduces self, says very little about himself, but feels compelled to mention "he's no doormat."    Depending on my mood, I either forgive the sentence, or reply that I'm seeking a doormat.   I don't recall anyone ending conversation when I've said that, but maybe I stopped paying attention, lol.    M




MzMia -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 9:12:34 PM)

^5M!!  Great point.
When someone tells me "I am no doormat", that ends it as far as I am concerned.
I read that as "code" for, difficult and demanding.
I don't need a submissive to approach me and tell me what he is not.
Apart from getting to know each other, as people, what else would need to be
discussed other than limits?
It turns me off to hear, "I am no doormat", when I read profiles that state that,

I stop reading them.
If you ever read the female submissive profiles you will note that you RARELY
see those words written, WTF is up with that?
 




LadyHugs -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/11/2007 11:36:12 PM)

Dear MzMia, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Like doormats, slaves and submissives come in many varieties and in many shapes and colors.
 
I wish out loud, that slaves/submissives/servants who seek their Dominants would replace "Im no doormat" with I am a slave, that operates within negotiated boundaries.  That speaks more fully about the experiences they have as well, as opens the window to invite what those boundaries and areas in the lifestyle they prefer.
 
Even with no limits slaves; there are limits.  In my mind's eyes I see, they haven't hit their 'glass ceiling' and or limits yet.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




Celedane -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 3:11:17 AM)

      I have seen a few f sub prof's with 'not a doormat'.  I was just thinking, are some of these people who use that phrase unexperienced?  They automatically assume dominants are just going to walk over them, use them without regard to their feelings and needs? 
    From what the always intelligent LadyHugs said, I wonder if it is just a communication issue.  They don't know how to word what they want.  Not being a doormat might be similar to other prejudiced words or sayings.  If two people are speaking one can say, 'well that guy is a 'x''.  The other guy can smile knowingly, cognizant of the stereotype, whether he condones it or not.      
    Perhaps it is something they saw on another profile, and said that sums it up for me.




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 7:54:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Very well said ToGiveDivine... 
Speaking purely from a female dominant/male submissive perspective, I guess most of us want to be seen as the bad word named lady who will only dominate a man who doesn't give us any grief???   And certainly none of us want to be seen as weaklings who will only dominate someone who submits without resistance??    This is all subjective/relative, but I agree with you that in a proper partnership, a submissive is her doormat when the whim hits her, and otherwise he is whatever he is as a human being and she deems is his role.    So count me among the types who want to be obeyed regardless if his friends say you are being her doormat, because to me, he'll simply be my man/submissive/lover.    M


Basically, I'd like someone who was proud of me as a man pretty much all the time - especially when I'm down kissing her feet (or whatever).

In my profile I say that sometimes I need to be the Knight in Shining Armor and sometimes I need to be the footstool - depending on what she needs at the moment.  Even the strongest women has moments of weakness that requires her sub to step up - it isn't a shift in the dynamics; it's called taking care of the person that really matters to you.

I'm still put off by the profiles / posts that talk about "I will smash your little twig and berries daily as they are useless to me" or the "you will only lick my a** as that is all you are good for".  Damn, if someone doesn't like men that much, find a woman.  There are times and places for smashing and licking, but hopefully you like and respect the man you are smashing or having to make them lick.




LadyEllen -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 8:05:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Very well said ToGiveDivine... 
Speaking purely from a female dominant/male submissive perspective, I guess most of us want to be seen as the bad word named lady who will only dominate a man who doesn't give us any grief???   And certainly none of us want to be seen as weaklings who will only dominate someone who submits without resistance??    This is all subjective/relative, but I agree with you that in a proper partnership, a submissive is her doormat when the whim hits her, and otherwise he is whatever he is as a human being and she deems is his role.    So count me among the types who want to be obeyed regardless if his friends say you are being her doormat, because to me, he'll simply be my man/submissive/lover.    M


Basically, I'd like someone who was proud of me as a man pretty much all the time - especially when I'm down kissing her feet (or whatever).

In my profile I say that sometimes I need to be the Knight in Shining Armor and sometimes I need to be the footstool - depending on what she needs at the moment.  Even the strongest women has moments of weakness that requires her sub to step up - it isn't a shift in the dynamics; it's called taking care of the person that really matters to you.

I'm still put off by the profiles / posts that talk about "I will smash your little twig and berries daily as they are useless to me" or the "you will only lick my a** as that is all you are good for".  Damn, if someone doesn't like men that much, find a woman.  There are times and places for smashing and licking, but hopefully you like and respect the man you are smashing or having to make them lick.


You know, the more TGD posts, the more often I'm thinking one of two things.

First - how in the world has he not been snapped up?

Second - what a good thing it is, that there are some sane, well balanced guys still out there to hunt.

E




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 8:15:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Very well said ToGiveDivine... 
Speaking purely from a female dominant/male submissive perspective, I guess most of us want to be seen as the bad word named lady who will only dominate a man who doesn't give us any grief???   And certainly none of us want to be seen as weaklings who will only dominate someone who submits without resistance??    This is all subjective/relative, but I agree with you that in a proper partnership, a submissive is her doormat when the whim hits her, and otherwise he is whatever he is as a human being and she deems is his role.    So count me among the types who want to be obeyed regardless if his friends say you are being her doormat, because to me, he'll simply be my man/submissive/lover.    M


Basically, I'd like someone who was proud of me as a man pretty much all the time - especially when I'm down kissing her feet (or whatever).

In my profile I say that sometimes I need to be the Knight in Shining Armor and sometimes I need to be the footstool - depending on what she needs at the moment.  Even the strongest women has moments of weakness that requires her sub to step up - it isn't a shift in the dynamics; it's called taking care of the person that really matters to you.

I'm still put off by the profiles / posts that talk about "I will smash your little twig and berries daily as they are useless to me" or the "you will only lick my a** as that is all you are good for".  Damn, if someone doesn't like men that much, find a woman.  There are times and places for smashing and licking, but hopefully you like and respect the man you are smashing or having to make them lick.


You know, the more TGD posts, the more often I'm thinking one of two things.

First - how in the world has he not been snapped up?

Second - what a good thing it is, that there are some sane, well balanced guys still out there to hunt.

E


By answering the 2nd question, you will see the answer to the 1st.

What I think and what I do aren't always the same thing.  I'm fallible as everyone else and sometimes I do stupid things (maybe I am human ;-)

Ever hear the adage that "it looks to good to be true"?  I believe what I say; but, at times, I mess up on the following of what I believe.

I am a man.  That means I have all the inherent issues, attitudes and problems that accompany men.  Maybe the degree to which these aspects are not as bad as other men, but I'm no picnic.

Another thing is finding someone who you are compatible with in the location where you are going to be.  I've met some really nice people, but either we aren't anywhere in the same timezone (or continent) or my preferences don't jive with theirs.  If the women is only looking for women; then whatever chemistry we might have doesn't make a hill of beans and I won't pursue it.  Same with someone who tells me that I don't quite match what they are looking for.  In both cases, No means No, and continually asking would just plain be annoying.

Doesn't mean I don't still like them and hope they find what they are looking for.  Only the petty call them names and never speak to them again.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 12:24:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine
Basically, I'd like someone who was proud of me as a man pretty much all the time - especially when I'm down kissing her feet (or whatever).

In my profile I say that sometimes I need to be the Knight in Shining Armor and sometimes I need to be the footstool - depending on what she needs at the moment.  Even the strongest women has moments of weakness that requires her sub to step up - it isn't a shift in the dynamics; it's called taking care of the person that really matters to you
I agree completely.   I don't deal with people who need to be hated in order to remain submissive, and I certainly won't allow anyone I dislike into my life/intimacies.   I suppose if I couldn't be proud of the man in my life, he wouldn't be there.    For myself, being dominant doesn't mean I am the man, or strong all the time.   I adore men who are strong, can be knightly, and possess integrity.

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I'm still put off by the profiles / posts that talk about "I will smash your little twig and berries daily as they are useless to me" or the "you will only lick my a** as that is all you are good for".  Damn, if someone doesn't like men that much, find a woman.
I'm put off by those profiles as well, and just like me, you don't have to reply to them. [;)]   In my experience though, it has been the men who come asking to be treated like dispised chattel, a request I always decline.    
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What I think and what I do aren't always the same thing.  I'm fallible as everyone else and sometimes I do stupid things (maybe I am human ;-)

Ever hear the adage that "it looks to good to be true"?  I believe what I say; but, at times, I mess up on the following of what I believe.
I am a man.
Gotta love that level of self awareness. [:D]    M




ToGiveDivine -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 1:28:53 PM)

All the compliments from BlkTallFullfig and LadyEllen could quite easily go to my head.  Never encourage the chattel, it just makes us more irritating - ROFL




Firsttime -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 5:28:09 PM)

If I need to wipe my feet then I use a doormat, but if I want a D/s relationship I need a slave that can show their uniqueness, hold a conversation and make me laugh.




mellian -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 8:36:19 PM)

If a Domme wants a doormat, then I refer them to a Dollarstore or Zellers.

-mellian




PsyVamp -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/12/2007 9:14:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: houseslut

What do ladies prefer? Is it a total doormat that will do anything they say because they just want to be totally ruled or someone who will do anything they want because the sub wants to please the Mistress but still have a bit of backbone?

Surely there is not much fun in having a total doormat is there?


A powerful, decisive man on his knees at my feet,,,,what could be better than that?  Oh, and if there is a doormat in the house, chances are it gets shit all over it when the dogs wipe their feet..of course, the strong, powerful man will clean it up for me...
Mistress Psy




TeeGO -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/14/2007 8:41:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: TeeGO

Ma'am calls me her personal Rotwieller. I'm also her confidant and best friend. But sometimes she does use me as a doormat, and that's not so bad.  ;)


Congratulations you big strong dedicated doormat, your Ma'am is lucky to have you.
What a great combination, strong and compliant!
[:D]

Thank you MzMia for the kind words.

It is an honor and pleasure to serve my Domme.  I am the lucky one.




MzMia -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/14/2007 8:47:54 PM)

I love the doormat, and anti-doormat debate.
You are lucky to have each other.
[:D]




Denny17 -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/16/2007 6:16:16 PM)

Maam that would be my sorry ass.  All god damn day long i boss guys and girls around and sometimes I need a really good ass kicking either verbel or physical. 




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Doormat or Not? (1/16/2007 6:22:18 PM)

There's absolutely nothig wrong with your kink, and I didn't mean to suggest that...  
As a domina, I don't mind putting down a little hurtin' now and than, but the humiliation thing I'm not comfortable with beyond superficial/occasional; and I do understand that is my limitation in kink, not anyone else's.
I was responding to TGD's observations of people who seem to be looking for the wrong counterparts by expressing resentment/hate for the person who would come into their lives.

For the record, I like and would prefer a smart, opinionated doormat any day.   [sm=news.gif] M




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