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nefertari -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (10/31/2006 9:40:14 PM)

I would agree with you wholeheartedly if the draft was reinstated in order to protect our country.  We are not currently fighting such a war.




UtopianRanger -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (10/31/2006 9:53:07 PM)

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I really don't want to offend anyone here, but in repsonse to the question about running away to Canada if a draft is in the future. It really bothers me when people live under the freedoms of the USA, take advantage of everything offered to them but when they are asked to protect or defend their country or, since we are the most powerful country in the world, when we  defend those who can't defend themselves, they refuse and RUN. You can't have it both ways.  You are either an American or not.
Again, sorry if I offened anyone but this is something that is important to me.




My suggestion to you would be for you to take up your own challenge.....The Army says it needs a few good men for Iraq.

Myself...every teenager I come in contact with I do my best to dissuade them from joining the military in this current environment - They haven't the slightest idea as to what they'd be getting themselves into.



 - R




SissySean -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (10/31/2006 11:45:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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I really don't want to offend anyone here, but in repsonse to the question about running away to Canada if a draft is in the future. It really bothers me when people live under the freedoms of the USA, take advantage of everything offered to them but when they are asked to protect or defend their country or, since we are the most powerful country in the world, when we  defend those who can't defend themselves, they refuse and RUN. You can't have it both ways.  You are either an American or not.
Again, sorry if I offened anyone but this is something that is important to me.




My suggestion to you would be for you to take up your own challenge.....The Army says it needs a few good men for Iraq.

Myself...every teenager I come in contact with I do my best to dissuade them from joining the military in this current environment - They haven't the slightest idea as to what they'd be getting themselves into.



 - R


Seeing as we have a fully volunteer armed forces at the moment, I am not going to sign up, because of course nobody wants to be away from home and in possible danger, BUT...if called upon I would fight for my country if needed. I take full advantage of the USA, it's the least I could do.
Sorry, all my training has taught me never to run away. But if you wouldn't fight for your country, let's just take away some of those freedoms you are living under.




Arpig -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:27:38 AM)

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Seeing as we have a fully volunteer armed forces at the moment, I am not going to sign up, because of course nobody wants to be away from home and in possible danger, BUT...if called upon I would fight for my country if needed. I take full advantage of the USA, it's the least I could do.

In other words,  you will serve only if it is a matter of jail/exile if you don't. Seems to me that those who will take those consequences at least have real convictions and are willing to pay the price of those convictions, while you are not. They are worthy of some degree of respect for that, but I'm afraid you're brave words are little more than farts in a windstorm.




subfever -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:33:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SissySean

But if you wouldn't fight for your country, let's just take away some of those freedoms you are living under. 


The current administration is already doing a fine job of taking away some of our freedoms without your help, thank you.




subfever -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:40:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
Myself...every teenager I come in contact with I do my best to dissuade them from joining the military in this current environment - They haven't the slightest idea as to what they'd be getting themselves into.
- R


And I do the same. 

I hope you don't mind that I've highlighted what I consider to be the key to your statement.

Unfortunately, regarding the war in Iraq... we are the terrorists.  




subfever -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:56:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SissySean

I really don't want to offend anyone here, but in repsonse to the question about running away to Canada if a draft is in the future. It really bothers me when people live under the freedoms of the USA, take advantage of everything offered to them but when they are asked to protect or defend their country or, since we are the most powerful country in the world, when we  defend those who can't defend themselves, they refuse and RUN. You can't have it both ways.  You are either an American or not.
Again, sorry if I offened anyone but this is something that is important to me.



I have taken the liberty to highlight the exact phase to which I'm responding to.

It's clear to me that we aren't in Iraq defending our country. It's also clear to me that we aren't there defending those who can't defend themselves. 

There have been many cruel dictatorships over the world. Our country has wisely chosen to ignore most of them.

Let me ask you, Sissy, what do you suppose is so special about Iraq?  




beautyImurDaddy -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 7:27:05 AM)

being the sub of someone in the Navy... i am proud that there are those "stupid" enough to volunteer to defend our country
He has done a tour during Desert Storm... and thankfully has not had to participate in the most recent events.. however i know that it is always a possibility.... i am getting ready to loose Him for 4 years being sent overseas to an area that right now... is being watched very carefully after the recent  "nuclear testing"

i for one am honored to be His... and even more proud because of what He does for this country and others in need... i am not a slave... so i do not cast my eyes low... i hold my head quite high and proud when seen with Him.  Living on base, i socialize with other wives/girlfriends who currently do have loved ones overseas in the "war zone" and 99% of them say the exact same thing... it may not be for everyone... and i have nothing negative to stay against those who choose not to participate.... but bless and keep those that have made that decision... they are not fighting a "war" they are doing their jobs... it was their choice to join the armed forces but not theirs to go into battle!!!




UtopianRanger -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 7:50:17 AM)

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Seeing as we have a fully volunteer armed forces at the moment, I am not going to sign up, because of course nobody wants to be away from home and in possible danger, BUT...if called upon I would fight for my country if needed. I take full advantage of the USA, it's the least I could do.


Heh……On the front page of the Oregonian newspaper yesterday, they had a story about the funeral involving a fifty-six year old man that the Army had called back up from inactive reserve. He had been totally out of the Army since 1992. He was unbelievably outa shape, fat, fifty to sixty pounds overweight. They sent him down to a base in Cali for seventeen days worth indoctrination /training, and then sent him directly into the 113 degree heat of the Iraq desert. He perished four months later from a roadside bomb, riding shotgun in humvee, protecting a convoy filled with civilian KBR truck drives making over 100k a year tax free.

In the same paper, same day……another story was printed in the ‘’local section’’  with a picture, talking about how a forty-six year old {totally outa shape} woman-- who had been out of the Army for fifteen years, but still on inactive reserve--- was going to have to close her variety/antique store and leave her husband and teenage daughter because she was being shipped off to Iraq

I’d say the military is hurting awfully bad if it’s activating 46/56 year old men and women who’ve been out of the military for 15-20 years. And it’s my bet the only reason they aren’t trying to implement the draft, is because they know it would bring instant pandemonium to the administration.
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Sorry, all my training has taught me never to run away. But if you wouldn't fight for your country, let's just take away some of those freedoms you are living under.


  Perhaps you could explain to me what training you’ve had that says you should give-into impulsiveness and blind decision making and abandon such traits as common sense, critical/analytical thinking, and deep-seeded intuition?

The internet is here my friend….. The idealism of Uncle Sam circa 1944 is long gone. It’s my prediction that internet discussion boards, non-agenda-driven alternative news, and the hard lessons learned from Iraq will force western thinking peoples to intensely question the underlying motives and quackery of future oligarchicical governments that bare the resemblance/make-up of the Bush administration.

In other words brother….Just like they taught us with Abu Ghraib, it’s time to stand up, not be fooled and tell them to fuck off when they ask you to do something you know doesn’t feel or sound right.



 - R




subfever -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 4:38:19 PM)

UR, I couldn't have said it any better.




SissySean -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:12:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Seeing as we have a fully volunteer armed forces at the moment, I am not going to sign up, because of course nobody wants to be away from home and in possible danger, BUT...if called upon I would fight for my country if needed. I take full advantage of the USA, it's the least I could do.

In other words,  you will serve only if it is a matter of jail/exile if you don't. Seems to me that those who will take those consequences at least have real convictions and are willing to pay the price of those convictions, while you are not. They are worthy of some degree of respect for that, but I'm afraid you're brave words are little more than farts in a windstorm.



No, I am not saying I would only do it to avoid jail or exile. I would do it because my country asked me to.
I also don't walk around the streets looking for people who are being mugged or attacked, but if i saw someone asking for help I wouldn't run away like some coward.

Subfever: (sorry still haven't figured out how to multiple quote)
  Can you tell me what freedoms have been taken away from you?  In repsonse to your Iraq question. Can we all agree that the former leader of that country has killed hundred's of thousands of his own people? If we can't this argment is useless, but according to you all, if it isn't happen to to you or on your homeland, eh "F" it right?  Weather we are there for those reasons or others, taking a mass murderer out of power seems like a good deal to me.








mstrtool -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:29:36 PM)

his words arnt even brave they are the words of a pussy. I served four years with Seabees an got to go to Iraq an trust Me there is no desire to be there but we are there for a pride that you dont git any where else




mstrtool -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:32:18 PM)

an none of you realize we have the most freedoms out of every country out there even though it seems otherwise an if ya dont like what we have kiss MY FUCKIN DIE HARD AMERICAN ASS AN GIT THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKIN COUNTRY




SissySean -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:48:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrtool

an none of you realize we have the most freedoms out of every country out there even though it seems otherwise an if ya dont like what we have kiss MY FUCKIN DIE HARD AMERICAN ASS AN GIT THE FUCK OUT OF MY FUCKIN COUNTRY



I AGREE 100%, thank you! These people don't realize what they have,let them live in another country where this board wouldn't even exist and watch them beg to come back, and I would love to be th eone to say, "Sorry, had your chance"




SissySean -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 6:51:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrtool

his words arnt even brave they are the words of a pussy. I served four years with Seabees an got to go to Iraq an trust Me there is no desire to be there but we are there for a pride that you dont git any where else



Ummmm, please tell me you are talking about the ones who would run away from defending their country.




Invictus754 -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 7:09:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
Heh……On the front page of the Oregonian newspaper yesterday, they had a story about the funeral involving a fifty-six year old man that the Army had called back up from inactive reserve. He had been totally out of the Army since 1992.

In the same paper, same day……another story was printed in the ‘’local section’’  with a picture, talking about how a forty-six year old {totally outa shape} woman-- who had been out of the Army for fifteen years, but still on inactive reserve--- was going to have to close her variety/antique store and leave her husband and teenage daughter because she was being shipped off to Iraq

I’d say the military is hurting awfully bad if it’s activating 46/56 year old men and women who’ve been out of the military for 15-20 years.


Sorry, but there is no thing as 'activating ...men and women who've been out of the military for 15-20 years'  I was in the Army and got out just before Iraq 1...and my 'inactive' status ran out that September before.  They COULDN'T recall me and I was 31. 
 
So, these 'totally outta shape' people who are being called to duty are still IN the service, but on inactive status or they are weekend warriors.  If that is the case, they volunteered for a set amount of time, and had not served it completely yet - so they could be called to duty. 
 
And if they were still in the service and completely out of shape - they fucked themselves.  No tears shed for them here...they are a millstone around the other soldier's neck who probably feel obligated to keep the fat, dumb ones from getting killed.  These people you have mentioned most likely were the weekend warriors who joined the Army reserves to suck as much money out of 'Uncle Sugar' as they could.  They spun the die and crapped out.  Tough shit.
 
I don't like the decision Bush made  to invade Iraq because I don't think that dictators are evil in all instances.  Obviously, some countries need them to keep the peace {Read: Iraq}.  Americans would be singing a much different song if it were car bombs going off daily in Chicago, New York and LA. Yeah, war isn't nice, but I'm glad we get the chance to keep our army oiled up and ready to go to keep the stupid bastards out of the US.  
 
 




UtopianRanger -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 9:21:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mstrtool

his words arnt even brave they are the words of a pussy. I served four years with Seabees an got to go to Iraq an trust Me there is no desire to be there but we are there for a pride that you dont git any where else


Now yanno, name calling from behind a key board isn't a very gentlemanly trait. But to address the '' Pussy'' part, if you're referring to me - On your best day for the entire month, I'd give you between 15 -25 seconds, tops. Prolly more like 10 seconds though {In a confined space} [;)]



 - R




UtopianRanger -> RE: A must read for all Canadians & Americans! (11/1/2006 10:15:14 PM)


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Sorry, but there is no thing as 'activating ...men and women who've been out of the military for 15-20 years'  I was in the Army and got out just before Iraq 1...and my 'inactive' status ran out that September before.  They COULDN'T recall me and I was 31. 


I woulda thought that too....but the paper says ''inactive reserve'' since 1992. The ''active reserve'' is the weekend warrior status you speak of.
 
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So, these 'totally outta shape' people who are being called to duty are still IN the service, but on inactive status or they are weekend warriors.  If that is the case, they volunteered for a set amount of time, and had not served it completely yet - so they could be called to duty.


Again....there's no way to tell what they are talking about.....because in the female's case, it says she was collecting pay, but part of the ''inactive reserve'' for 15 years.

Now with regard to the fifty-six year old guy....It clearly says that he has not been involved in any type of military training since 1992 - And the family members were quoted as saying '' they asked him to fight it and not go''
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And if they were still in the service and completely out of shape - they fucked themselves.  No tears shed for them here...they are a millstone around the other soldier's neck who probably feel obligated to keep the fat, dumb ones from getting killed.  These people you have mentioned most likely were the weekend warriors who joined the Army reserves to suck as much money out of 'Uncle Sugar' as they could.  They spun the die and crapped out.  Tough shit.


Tough shit , huh? You're that dismissive? Tough shit from beyond a key board - Thought so. I'd say the army shares the greatest responsibility in making sure the person is trained and in proper physical condition before they are sent to Iraq in a combat situation to ride shotgun in a Humvee.

I spent four years in Corps.....and there was no such thing as fat, outa shape Marines - And if ya got that way, they either sent ya to the fat farm or discharged ya  - But I guess nowadays, Rumsfeld just wants bodies.

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I don't like the decision Bush made  to invade Iraq because I don't think that dictators are evil in all instances.  Obviously, some countries need them to keep the peace {Read: Iraq}.  Americans would be singing a much different song if it were car bombs going off daily in Chicago, New York and LA. Yeah, war isn't nice, but I'm glad we get the chance to keep our army oiled up and ready to go to keep the stupid bastards out of the US.  

 
 
Neither do I.... but for a lot more reasons than you've named. If by the slimest of chances I happen to receive a letter telling me to report to the nearest AFEE's station for a physical, I'm gonna write back and tell them they can either give me a blow job or send me to a ''Haliburton camp''


 - R




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