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born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 6:05:22 PM

match2u

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hug to all,

i would like to know in concerning about theme slave

are you born as slave? (by the way i know there exist sites talking about that a slave is born as slave)

is there a progress in enslavement?

in case you sub and you may crave more

would it be like turning the light on and it will be there?

is there no time to find the right place - like trust is growing?

would like to hear your opinion.

thanks a lot

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 6:42:12 PM

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No petra I don't think one is born a slave at least not in the sense of consensual BDSM slavery. If you meant chatel slavery, then yes at those times in history and in those countries where it is still practiced the child of a slave is a slave, but that is an entirely different usage of the word.

For our purposes we can say that one is born with a particular personality type. Some of those types tend to be more submissive. Of those submissives types some will gravitate toward eventually becoming a slave in BDSM terms. Those that do, go through a progession they do not start out on day one fully ready to assume all the duties of a slave. In the same way Masters and Mistresses must learn their craft, so to must the slave.

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 6:54:38 PM

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A Person can be born into slavery. But that does not make them a slave.

I do not think that someone is born to be specifically a 'slave'. But I do believe that a person is conceived with certain traits.

Therefore, I would say I was born to be who I am.

IMO, people may have the trait of being submissive/slave... in the same way, a person can be born with dominant traits... or born gay. As time develops... these come more to the forefront as the childs personality develops through experiences and nurturing. The learning process is ever moving... like a swirl that starts from the middle and rotates out... over time, some of us are fortuante enough to meet people who can bring it out to the forefront. Others are less fortuante and spend their lives with their true form hidden like some dirty secret.

The beauty is that you can be who you were born to be. Its there for the taking if you can learn to trust yourself and the feelings that you have. Like a child learning to walk, it takes a few unsteady steps before the can stand still for a moment a feel the rush.

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 7:10:00 PM

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Actually, I would answer this yes. *I* am me,,, always have been. I found it strange when I started learning about BDSM when people told me things like *you have the makings of a perfect slave*. Even more often I was complimented on how *well trained* I was. I found this very ironic as I had no experience,, I was just *being me*.

I am one of the slave types that HATES pain. To me it's a tool to discipline, or something I *endure* because Master is feeling sadistic. My *need* to serve is something I have had all of my life. It is not a sexual thing in any way. When my mother went back to work, I am the one that took on (without being asked) the role of seeing that dinner was on the table, the laundry was done, ect.

My first marriage was very vanilla. I entered it because I was 19 and wanted NOTHING but to have a man to to care of.... and he was the first to ask. I wasn't *in love* with him, I was *in love* with the thought of being a wife. I was thrilled being a mother and wife, and in any job I had (which was many since he was military), I *exceeded* normal expecations, getting raises and promotion even though I never sought them. That was part of my *need* to do everything I could to make everything run smoothly.

In the end, resentment was one of the big break up factors in my marriage. My own *need* to do everything for everyone was making my life a living hell,,,, I was the *perfect* mom. Never missed a school function, was the house all of the other kids came to to play, did EVERYTHING around the house, and worked an average of 55 hours week. Managed to take a job that was suppose to be from 6am-3pm mon - fri to make it one I worked whatever hours allowed me to do everything else I *needed* while still getting raises and promotions.. lol I was good :)

But, the fact is, I HAD to work the hours because my ex was terrible with money. And in the end I resented killing myself by not only making more money and being the ONLY person in the house doing any work. Plus, he gave me a vibrator and told me to *have fun* because he never wanted sex.

Uhhmm, I think I'm getting off base, but the bottom line is nothing in my personal views have ever changed. All I have ever wanted is to have a strong, dependable man that I could love, trust, worship and please in every way.

::laughing:: and as far as being a sexual slave,,, I love sex, but again, it was something no one ever taught me to love, it was something that just *is*. Sure, I can learn new things, but they are just props and positions, they have nothing to do with what makes me me,,,,

(Sorry this is so long,, lol I think I'm ranting today)

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 8:40:23 PM

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Here are a few similar threads, although they are more about born submissive or dominant rather than slave:

born a dom or sub

are we born submissive

born or learned

born or learned....dom

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 8:54:08 PM

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For me, i always craved slavery...i really thought that i wanted it, and the more i get into it, the more i think that i need more time, need more reassurance whatever it is. I know that there is nothing wrong with me, it may just be lack of experience or nerves but i do know that it is something that i want eventually for myself, even though i am having difficulty at this time. I dont believe that i was born a slave, i believe i was born submissive and want to go further yet need some reasurance to get me to the level that i want to eventually be at.

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/29/2005 9:53:31 PM

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From as long as I can remember I have had submissive traits - whether i was born with them I really dont know - but I know that my life was moulded like that from a very early age - I guess it could well be in the genes becuase my father is submissive and I tend to have more his traits than my mothers.

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/30/2005 12:40:58 AM

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For me trying to find a slave's heart is a progression that needs to be guided and taught; however, I agree with others, you can be born with submissive traits.

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RE: born as slave??? - 1/30/2005 7:01:23 PM

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