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juliaoceania -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/3/2006 10:54:55 PM)
Post examples please? One incidence is not a pattern.... I am not going to flame you LaM, frankly your not worth it.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/3/2006 11:23:56 PM)
Here ya go: http://www.collarchat.com/m_647976/mpage_4/tm.htm#648550 And the unpleasant bullshit that immediately followed. But, you know, I think Sinergy can speak for himself. Nothing I said had anything to do with you. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Post examples please? One incidence is not a pattern.... I am not going to flame you LaM, frankly your not worth it.

saskslave -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 3:21:20 AM)
quote: It is cells in a petri dish No they aren't. Those embroyos are in every way--human life. quote: geesh geesh, indeed. [8\|]

saskslave -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 3:29:59 AM)
quote: Yup..and these same Pro-lifers are PRO DEATH when it come time for the government to decide who should live or die in criminal cases. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Yet it is the left that supports unfettered abortion, euthenasia, embryonic stem cell research, but takes to the street protesting to save Tookie's life because he wrote a book saying that kids should avoid gang life. But did Tookie ever apologize for killing 4 people, including shooting - execution style - a 70 y/o women in the back of the head for $120? At least Tookie got a trial...

Level -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 6:48:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saskslave quote: Yup..and these same Pro-lifers are PRO DEATH when it come time for the government to decide who should live or die in criminal cases. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Yet it is the left that supports unfettered abortion, euthenasia, embryonic stem cell research, but takes to the street protesting to save Tookie's life because he wrote a book saying that kids should avoid gang life. But did Tookie ever apologize for killing 4 people, including shooting - execution style - a 70 y/o women in the back of the head for $120? At least Tookie got a trial... Great post, saskslave.

LotusSong -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 7:58:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saskslave quote: Yup..and these same Pro-lifers are PRO DEATH when it come time for the government to decide who should live or die in criminal cases. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Yet it is the left that supports unfettered abortion, euthenasia, embryonic stem cell research, but takes to the street protesting to save Tookie's life because he wrote a book saying that kids should avoid gang life. But did Tookie ever apologize for killing 4 people, including shooting - execution style - a 70 y/o women in the back of the head for $120? At least Tookie got a trial... Are you in good health without fear of anything happening to you down the road (genetically) that stem cell research where could be helpful? I guarantee you.. you will squeal like a pig when you are stricken with diseases that could have been cured by this science. A cell is a cell is a cell.. we are not destroying souls. If a soul is to come into existence, it will.

saskslave -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 1:38:00 PM)
LotusSong wrote: quote: I guarantee you.. you will squeal like a pig when you are stricken with diseases that could have been cured by this science. Only attractive Dommes can make me squeal like a pig. [;)] However the fact is that there has not been a single advance in embroyonic stem cell research, and private industry is pulling out because they see little chance of advance. To me, it comes across as selfishness to demand that taxpayers pay to destroy human life in the hope that maybe, just maybe, we might be able to save future life. If there was a relatively decent chance of emboyonic stem cells providing a cure, private business would be investing, instead of retreating from it. quote: A cell is a cell is a cell.. ...is human life. Period. You cannot possibly deny this. quote: we are not destroying souls. If a soul is to come into existence, it will. The nuance in the above sentences is almost Kerryesque. [sm=whiteflag.gif]

LotusSong -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 1:45:51 PM)
If I hold up two cells....could you tell me the difference? And the soul part is a separate issue. The body is a vessel.. not the soul. The soul will enter when it will when it's supposed to. Perhaps the soul's mission was to sacrifice it's incarnation for the betterment of mandkind. You know, kind of like Jesus. If I had to sacrafice myself, I'd rather do it on that level (cellular) than after being in body. Private funding is going on for the stem cell research.. I just don't want it outlawed.

Sinergy -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 2:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Here ya go: http://www.collarchat.com/m_647976/mpage_4/tm.htm#648550 And the unpleasant bullshit that immediately followed. But, you know, I think Sinergy can speak for himself. Nothing I said had anything to do with you. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Post examples please? One incidence is not a pattern.... I am not going to flame you LaM, frankly your not worth it. Personally, I feel a sense of happiness that LaM has a nice hobby to keep himself occupied. I am not emotionally involved in things LaM finds weird, so I am unlikely to flame him either. Sinergy

Sinergy -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/4/2006 6:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saskslave quote: Yup..and these same Pro-lifers are PRO DEATH when it come time for the government to decide who should live or die in criminal cases. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Yet it is the left that supports unfettered abortion, euthenasia, embryonic stem cell research, but takes to the street protesting to save Tookie's life because he wrote a book saying that kids should avoid gang life. But did Tookie ever apologize for killing 4 people, including shooting - execution style - a 70 y/o women in the back of the head for $120? At least Tookie got a trial... Hello A/all, You make the statement that Tookie never apologized. My whole take on apologizing is that saying "Gee, I am sorry" are just words. Empty words. Meaningless words from a lot of people. What you find with many people is that they do a certain behavior, get caught, say "I am sorry", everybody lets them off the hook, and they go back to doing the same behavior. This is not an apology, in my book. Tookie may never have said he was sorry. But what he did do was take whatever life he had left to him by the courts and use it to try to pay back society for the crimes he committed in his youth. To me, that shows a much higher level of contrition for one's misdeeds than words. The problem I have with the death penalty has been stated elsewhere. If I were elected Governator I would have commuted his sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Killing him simply brings the rest of us down to his level, which I object to. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

thompsonx -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/10/2006 9:06:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: saskslave quote: Yup..and these same Pro-lifers are PRO DEATH when it come time for the government to decide who should live or die in criminal cases. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|] Yet it is the left that supports unfettered abortion, euthenasia, embryonic stem cell research, but takes to the street protesting to save Tookie's life because he wrote a book saying that kids should avoid gang life. But did Tookie ever apologize for killing 4 people, including shooting - execution style - a 70 y/o women in the back of the head for $120? At least Tookie got a trial... Hello A/all, You make the statement that Tookie never apologized. My whole take on apologizing is that saying "Gee, I am sorry" are just words. Empty words. Meaningless words from a lot of people. What you find with many people is that they do a certain behavior, get caught, say "I am sorry", everybody lets them off the hook, and they go back to doing the same behavior. This is not an apology, in my book. Tookie may never have said he was sorry. But what he did do was take whatever life he had left to him by the courts and use it to try to pay back society for the crimes he committed in his youth. To me, that shows a much higher level of contrition for one's misdeeds than words. The problem I have with the death penalty has been stated elsewhere. If I were elected Governator I would have commuted his sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Killing him simply brings the rest of us down to his level, which I object to. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy If I remember correctly there was more than a little controversy about the validity of the testimony against him. Since the more common use of DNA we have found that many on death row are innocent. If the courts make a mistake and convict an innocent person and give him life without parole when the mistake is found and rectified the person is still alive. If that person is executed well duuuuhh. That is the primafacia case against the death penality. thompson

saskslave -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/13/2006 7:38:56 AM)
LotusSong: quote: If I hold up two cells....could you tell me the difference? Well, if you don't know the difference between embroyonic and adult stem cells, then there isn't much point continuing this discussion, is there?

LotusSong -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/13/2006 8:07:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong quote: ORIGINAL: Level It's also the body of the child inside... you know, the one being eliminated. Have you spoken personally to many of these to form this opinion? I'd like to hear about your fond memories of being a fetus if you would care to share. Yeah...... that's funny. I imagine Leno is lining you up to guest host for him. And if you had a choice of being born into a stable family where your needs would be taken care of.. or born to a 12 yr old mother that has suffered the trauma of a rape or incest.. which would you choose? Pretty easy question, I'd choose life. Now, if you want to know how I feel about a woman in one of those scenarios, I certainly don't look down my nose at the ones that would choose abortion. I wonder now, if the technology existed to take a fetus from one body and implant it into a MALE that is passionate about pro-life. How many of these fetus would you give your body and the rest of your life? But then, males are safe to pontificate and raise the holy banner being they have NO fear of ever having to make that choice.

Level -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/13/2006 10:13:53 AM)
It's true that men don't have to worry about dealing with being pregnant. But many men spend their lives caring for, loving, and struggling to ensure a good life for their children..... yes, it's as much the man's child. And why should anyone abdicate their voice when it comes to protecting what they believe to be human life?

saskslave -> RE: Rush, Fox, and Olberman (11/13/2006 10:53:19 AM)
Sinergy: quote: Tookie may never have said he was sorry. But what he did do was take whatever life he had left to him by the courts and use it to try to pay back society for the crimes he committed in his youth. To me, that shows a much higher level of contrition for one's misdeeds than words. Jailhouse conversions are always suspect. You always have to wonder if the criminal is doing this to save his own skin or because he has really reformed. In Tookie's case, the former looks highly likely. He has never apologized to the families of the 4 people he murdered, and he has refused all attempts by the police for information on the Crips. It was surreal seeing the NAACP organizing a 2 week "crusade" to save Tookie. He did a tremendous amount of damage to the black community. He co-founded the notorious Crips gang. How many black Americans did they kill, beat, rob, rape, and get hooked on drugs? How many decent black Americans could go out at night in their Crips-controlled neighborhoods? So he writes some children's books and thus deserves clemency? I feel no sympathy for Tookie; only sympathy for his victims. Just my $.02.

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