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what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 10:31:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		A little phrase I have been told is...  "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play?

What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?



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RE: what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 10:44:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking from personal experience and observation I think the difference between good play and great play is the connection between those playing.

If the connection is minimal then the play is more mechanical, it can be technically excellent however the intensity is not the same.  When there is a connection either mentally or spiritually the play takes on a greater level of intensity, which is almost palpable in the air.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 10:54:33 PM   
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A little phrase I have been told is...  "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play?

What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?




Energy.

It's what can make the exact same scene between the exact same people appear ordinary one day.. and extraordinary the next. Sometimes everything just falls into the place and all the senses are heightened and involved and you can have a truly perfect experience when the energy is right.

I don't think you can really create that energy either.. it's there or it's not and a lot of things can effect it, especially stress factors, whether it's job, family or whatever.

Great energy can help create great scenes, bad energy can make even the best intended scenes go quickly south.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 11:16:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has as much to do with my state of mind as it does his technical greatness. I find though that Sinergy is very much one to take full advantage of the space between the notes, so he pretty much has readjusted my mind even when I was not in a "play" frame of mind... Oh yes, all of our interactions can be defined by pauses... strange you put it that way, he is the master of the pregnant pause, and it is full of meaning.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 11:21:41 PM   
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In my limited experience with play, play has been good when she knows for sure that she's going to go home afterwards and everything will be the same.  It's been great when she doesn't know that for sure.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/28/2006 11:32:07 PM   
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Speaking from personal experience and observation I think the difference between good play and great play is the connection between those playing.

If the connection is minimal then the play is more mechanical, it can be technically excellent however the intensity is not the same.  When there is a connection either mentally or spiritually the play takes on a greater level of intensity, which is almost palpable in the air.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 12:33:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a pianist that has studied with master pianist I know that the pause is the time when the music is most strong.  The notes tell the story line and the pauses well they complete the story by each individual hearing the music.  It is the connection between pianist and piano that is magnificent.  In great play it is IMHO the same.  The story being told is the same as may have been told a hundred times before but the unspoken story is within the connection between D/s.  In good play the story is not as strong and the intuneness of  D/s is not as precise and crisp as when it is great. 

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 12:34:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wellll.....being a piano player I'd have to say there is much more to it than that.  Emphasis, when to pull back, when to crescendo, the fluidity of the player's fingers, the passion and emotion involved, the connection to the music....

Huh.  Kind of like Master and slave :)

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 12:52:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Definitely the connection between the people. The emotions will add so much more. That combined with enough skill that you can focus on the connection and not your techniques. I like this summed up by Jay Wiseman once at an event. He was asked "How do you keep this fun after all these years?" He had the ultimate zen answer that applies to so much more than just play.


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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 1:13:12 AM   
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 1:56:57 AM   
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i think it has when speaking of palying a piano a great player never pause. but a great dominant always pause to check on the sumbmissive this is a great player i think that is why you meant . as an artist and a dominant woman i  pause when painting and i pause when i am with my submissive . i hope that made sense
 
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 3:05:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		It all depends on the inherent qualities of the musicians, not their adeptness with the keys. If one of you doesn't have the consciousness to understand the purpose of the music and the feelings it creates, you had just as well be playing by putting one of those color charts on the keys that tells you what keys to hit.

So I would say the difference in great and good play is the inherent qualities and the decades it took for the people involved to become who they are. Playing by the chart, even if it says, count to three now and then doesn't make the musicians or performance great.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 5:05:54 AM   
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I agree with Bita here. I think it's the energy between the people that either makes it great, or makes it bad.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 6:00:10 AM   
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Emphasis, when to pull back, when to crescendo, the fluidity of the player's fingers, the passion and emotion involved, the connection to the music....

 
Nice answer Owned ...  the connection to the scene...what it is we are doing...why, how, and for whom ... taking a piece of music and intepreting it... breathing life into it ... taking a submissive and interpreting them... some presenting as a blank page, a few notes, an unfinished manuscript ..a hint of their desires in their words, a selection of haphazardly put together notes ... great, is taking those few notes and creating a symphony.
 
To those who have said it is all in the d/s connection...I don't think one necessarily has to have a personal or committed connection with the person they are playing with to have a great scene...a connection would certainly help to intensify the flow, the energy based on how one felt about their play partner ... but it doesn't need to be present to have an intensely fabulous, hot, steaming, enduring, and memorable scene...though it is a bonus when you have both ;)

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 8:20:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

A little phrase I have been told is... "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play? What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?



While many may not look at what they do as always play, I believe what makes recreational or disciplinary interaction effective resides in the mind. It is the mind, not merely reacting as the locus of neural processing, cognitive function and motor control, but the mind which is the collective whole greater than the sum of its parts; of its emotive dimensions, the conditioning of its experiences and ability to dream. In short, the base components of desire.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 8:28:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

A little phrase I have been told is...  "the difference between a great pianist and a good pianist is the pause between the notes"

When I think about the play... I wonder what do people think is the difference between great play and good play?

What do you think is between the notes that makes a person create great play as compared to good play?




Same as anything else, I think.  Whether or not your heart is in it, is the difference between mediocre and great.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 8:29:48 AM   
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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 1:45:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just like music, it's about the details. Great play  has a flow of energy that is shared between those involved in the play. It can be anything from what is said, a whisper can be as attention getting as a shout if the right words are spoken. The confidence of the  the Dominant(Top/Master-pick a title that works best)  The creativity. 
Toys are wonderful, but I need to have confidence in the person weilding them or I can't give myself to the moment. and that can take a play from good (or  potentially bad) to great. 
It's the touch, smell, the sound of His voice, the look in his eyes. As I put as a quate in my profile "It's that look a true Sadists gets"   I've seen a few who try and fake that intinsity and it has always fallen short. 


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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 2:52:02 PM   
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It's the touch, smell, the sound of His voice, the look in his eyes. As I put as a quate in my profile "It's that look a true Sadists gets"   I've seen a few who try and fake that intinsity and it has always fallen short. 



We are going to have to work on your use of the word true.  I think I have the perfect solution too, cinnamon.

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RE: what is the difference? - 10/29/2006 4:18:57 PM   
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It's the touch, smell, the sound of His voice, the look in his eyes. As I put as a quate in my profile "It's that look a true Sadists gets"   I've seen a few who try and fake that intinsity and it has always fallen short. 



We are going to have to work on your use of the word true.  I think I have the perfect solution too, cinnamon.

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