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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 4:16:20 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I guess some people's answers might reflect their religion or their spiritual beliefs. I tend to think the answer comes from what exactly you think a soul is, is it something that survives death? Is it something that God gives only humans? Do animals have souls? Do planets have souls? I am not being esoteric, I am just trying to answer the question.

I know you asked the masters about this question, but I will try to answer from a submissive viewpoint, I believe that many lifeforms have souls, I even think that Mother Earth is alive and has a spirit or a soul. I tend to think part of the soul's function is to animate us while we are alive. It is the spark of life in which we can see the soul as a tangible thing, because when we are no longer among the living we are literally a blob of tissue.

I do not think another person can possess this thing called a soul, for if they take our life it leaves the body and we are no longer here. If they owned it this essense would belong to them even if our body ceased to be. I have my own beliefs about what happens when we die, and where the soul goes to, but I do not think that it is possible for anyone to truly own our lifeforce. I think they can impact it, connect to it, share it, love it, cherish it, but not possess it like an object

But that is just my little tiny opinion in a sea of others as far as souls are concerned

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 4:20:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. A person's soul is not ownable as it is simply the self-aware animating principle of human life.

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 4:52:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master has owned my heart, body, and soul for as long as i remember.  I've wrestled with him over all of it, trying to take them back at times.  (its not easy to come to terms with) Yet it always seems, in the end, they are his.  He has owned my soul through and through yet, these days not so much.  After he moved out it was very tough on me and i was sinking and i knew i had to take them back or i would drown.  I know being "spirtually connected" seems like a lot of hog wash for me, but it seems the weekend before i saw him and thinking this - was the weekend he gave them back (partially)  It was freeing almost, i started moving forward, continueing on with my life and letting go of him.  Things are back on track and while he owns me, i can still feel the difference.  Like we are seperate entities.   I think he understands that for me to function with out him, i need "me" to be able to do so. 

We play alot, and have our times (good and bad) and our bonding and our deep moments, but its not to the same level as before.  Our psuedo seperation was really helpful.   When he's here, if i dont hold back, i fall in.  <shrugs> i cant help it.  The world just majikally starts to revolve around him again (yet again, not to the same degree as before). Now i am able to walk myself back.  Maybe one day, he will come back in and things will reach the level they were before.  I'm not quite sure if i want that as i like having me, but i do remember some of the beauty in it.  It was tough and hard, but with moments of absolute beauty.  To be owned so fully, that every thought leads back to him, to no matter his will, his will be done (in one form or another)  To where every thought, movement, feeling be completely centered around one human being.  To completely live for one human being?  Its beautiful and scary to be so totally dependent upon them.  Maybe one day, if things work out and all goes according to my plan <wicked grin.. always gots to have a plan!> it would be a great place to go back to.  For now, i'm busy and keep myself in a place that i can control and function from.

Though on a side note of hilarity - when i was 14 i sold my soul away for an unlimited supply of crank to my 16 year old boyfriend who swore he could bring up a demon.  Course i sorta pissed off the demon because i thought it was ludicrious and well i never got my unlimited supply.  Master has told me, after i described the situation that it was as bogus as i ever thought.

P.S. God doesnt own my soul, nor does he want too.  That is why he gave me free will.  To choose who to follow.  My relationship with God is not an owned or not owned status.  Its a running dialogue, of some one that is involved in my life and knows whats best for me even beyond whati know.  He gives freely and doesnt really ask anything in return.  i do not HAVE to pledge loyalty to him.  All he would like, is that i am on his "side".  When that final count of souls comes up.  He asks that i not fall to the other side and let the devil in.  He wants mostly, for me to come to him when i need help and realise i cant do it alone = )  And God is very patient. 

He doesnt want to own me.  What he really wants and what he's warned me of is "Putting others before him"  I had a specific terrible dream of that and he got his point across.

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 4:58:47 PM   
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Noah, you got some very bad advice.  Owning souls is a LONG STANDING and legitimate tax strategy.  Consider:  Who owns souls in our society?   I think the biggest long term soul holder is  The Catholic Church, either as direct title holder or as holder of a long term beneficial interest which reverts on death of the grantor.



My favorite are the Mormons.  Apparently, a woman cannot get into heaven accept with the husband she married in the church.

So what they do is cull the roster of and deaths in society for (non-Mormon) unmarried women and marry them to church elders.

Be afraid, unmarried women, be very afraid, because your conversion to Mormonism will begin after your corporeal form ends.

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 5:19:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Noah, you got some very bad advice.  Owning souls is a LONG STANDING and legitimate tax strategy.  Consider:  Who owns souls in our society?   I think the biggest long term soul holder is  The Catholic Church, either as direct title holder or as holder of a long term beneficial interest which reverts on death of the grantor.



My favorite are the Mormons.  Apparently, a woman cannot get into heaven accept with the husband she married in the church.

So what they do is cull the roster of and deaths in society for (non-Mormon) unmarried women and marry them to church elders.

Be afraid, unmarried women, be very afraid, because your conversion to Mormonism will begin after your corporeal form ends.

Sinergy


On a related note my Mormon aunt had her father (my grandfather, a notorious hater of all religions) baptised a Mormon after his death. When I heard this I imagine that if the dead can roll over in their graves, he probably did

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 5:26:14 PM   
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i was just having an odd conversation with someone, about selling your soul. And it occurred to me that i don't know if my soul actually belongs to me.

My Master is unavailable for input at the moment, so  i thought i would ask Y'all.

Do You own Your slave's soul as well as her body?


In my opinion, you cannot own a soul.  You can have a great effect on it...I sincerely believe that you can "reach right into my soul" or, as raiken puts it, "stoke the fire in my soul-belly" and so, while it sounds very romantic when someone tells you that you've "touched their soul", I believe that you should remember the seriousness of it and the responsibility of it.

As for the owner of my soul...the one who created me...in my world, that's God.  I know that there are those who feel like me and those who disagree even with the existence of a soul and/or a God...that is their belief.  This is mine.

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 6:32:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not a religious person, but I have (or I think I have) a clear viewpoint of what soul means to me.

I have always wonder what would humans be if they manage to evolve beyond flesh. If we are physically and mentally evolving through the centuries and the milleniums, in what would we become?

My thought is, matter is tangible as the flesh is visible. The matter or flesh may no longer exist, but while it did it left behind all kinds of reactions, caused by energy. To me the soul is the energy that you are or that you leave behind when your body stops functioning in an organic way. I think that energy is restless and this is how I can manage to believe there might be a reencarnation.

I like to believe that we are evolving to adapt to the changes in our environment and our own progress. That said, I like to believe that the environment and progress will be not longer necessities, and the body will become useless, and the mind will reach its full capacity to think and act. If you have no body, what do you have left?, how do you comunicate? what do you do? I like to believe you become pure energy. And I think this is 'soul'.

Right now, I don't think you can own a soul, because I don't think we are fully aware of what a soul is, since the body is something we can't call useless and rules the mind. Maybe souls will be something you can own in a very far future, when there's no body mastering your mind.



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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 7:42:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a fairly religious person - not Christian, but a priest in the path I follow, so I take this middlin' serious.

If I don't own their soul - then all I have on the rest of it is a lease.  I can deal with that - but, with all evidence in, it seems I've never owned a soul.

That's okay - the evening is still young.

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RE: Souls - 10/30/2006 7:51:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared

Do You own Your slave's soul as well as her body?


Well, I read this post several hours ago and have tried to respond to it three times. Each time it turned into a stream of consciousness without having a substantive answer which satisfied even me. I don't know that one exists. I read my own profile and take this from that:

"He is not my Earth and air. He is just a man but because of him the air is sweeter and the Earth more tolerable a place to be."

I don't know if a soul can be owned, if it can be gifted, if it can be taken or sold ... but I do know that his disapproval will cause me to reflect and change my actions, his saddness brings forth my compassion, his happiness makes me smile, his suffering breaks my heart. If these 'feelings' are, indeed, part of my soul.. then I would say, he may not own it.. it's not a tangible, touchable thing ... but he certainly affects it, more so than anyone else.

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This is probably the simplist and most compelling way I've heard this argument expressed.

I completely agree. Thank you for posting something so complex, so eloquently. I probbly would have rambled on for paragraphs trying to say the same thing

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 4:35:36 AM   
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I don't believe anyone can own your soul, the body is just a temporary housing for it. Yes the body can be owned but not the soul. At least in my opinion. If someone says they can own your soul, to me that is saying they are God/dess, I'd like to see them prove it.

~Lashra



I'd like to see a God/dess prove it too....lol

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 4:46:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I once lost my soul in a poker game. A few friends and I each made small cut outs to represent our souls and the souls of other random friends. We then played poker where I ultimatly lost my soul in the last round. 

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 5:58:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared

Do You own Your slave's soul as well as her body?



What is the soul? An immaterial part of us that is our life force, or the temporal union of our moral and emotional selves? If one asking the question means more the latter, I will always answer with an emphatic yes. It is important to own the soul, or greater sum of your slave. To do so is in fact a crucial element in making a slave. Love and fortune or the desire for them in the hearts of men would attest to that with a whisper, if they could whsiper.

As for immortal energy that contains our essence and outlives the flesh, I'd like to think I own that as well, but that is entirely theoretical. We'll all find out, eventually. If it is possible, one thing I can certainly say is eternity is a long time to think about.


*tip of the hat* Well said and mirrors what I believe - man having neither proven or disproven the existence of a soul, I will be happy of knowing that I have as much of my girl as she can possibly give and leave the rest to the Universe.

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 6:00:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
On a related note my Mormon aunt had her father (my grandfather, a notorious hater of all religions) baptised a Mormon after his death. When I heard this I imagine that if the dead can roll over in their graves, he probably did


That makes me think of the old saying - "I hope when I die, I come back as a pigeon with a nasty case of the runs..."

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 6:58:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately the Mormons don't believe in "consent" for baptism...they'll get you in the end if they want to.   Of course, it would be interesting to see them approaching the Pearly Gates with all their tithing paid only to be turned away because they really weren't very good Christians.  I just heard last night about a church going Mormon who violated a fellow Mormon's rights by looking in his medical records and then outing him to his whole community by announcing his disease and the unfortunate victim of this outing had only just found out two days before.  Obviously consent and confidentiality are not things of value to some 'religious' people.

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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 7:04:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion...
The soul is the essence of the human... I might as well OWN the ocean... or universe...
As a Master, you may 'own' your slave... but if she doesnt accept it... or you as a master... you dont 'own' anything...
So... is it the Master that 'owns' the slave, including all her parts... or is it the slave who owns the Master?
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RE: Souls - 10/31/2006 7:18:38 AM   
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Do You own Your slave's soul as well as her body?


Yes. Unlike the body it won't die, grow old, or become infirm.

But truth be told she also "owns" mine

Better put, everything we are that makes us happy, content, and fulfilled comes from us being together. "Ownership" of those feelings and of that mentality resides with neither of us separately. It comes from our relationship, a merger of souls versus an acquisition or a 'hostile takeover'. The care and feeding of each other's souls is a responsibility for both of us. beth may incur a 'tortured body' under my control but she will never suffer a 'tortured soul'.

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RE: Souls - 11/1/2006 6:44:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		She has given me her soul for as long as she is mine. This is something that it is well within our spiritual beliefs and it is a hefty responsability.

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RE: Souls - 11/2/2006 11:13:49 AM   
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P.S. God doesnt own my soul, nor does he want too.  That is why he gave me free will.  To choose who to follow.  My relationship with God is not an owned or not owned status.  Its a running dialogue, of some one that is involved in my life and knows whats best for me even beyond whati know.  He gives freely and doesnt really ask anything in return.  i do not HAVE to pledge loyalty to him.  All he would like, is that i am on his "side".  When that final count of souls comes up.  He asks that i not fall to the other side and let the devil in.  He wants mostly, for me to come to him when i need help and realise i cant do it alone = )  And God is very patient. 

He doesnt want to own me.  What he really wants and what he's warned me of is "Putting others before him"  I had a specific terrible dream of that and he got his point across.


Just had to say... a truly touching account of your relationship with God. 

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RE: Souls - 11/2/2006 3:16:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		i will never give anyone my soul, it is that part of me that is the most true, that witch surive death, i can give my body and my mind but my soul is eternal and it is eternaly free.

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RE: Souls - 11/3/2006 8:50:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedandcollared
Do You own Your slave's soul as well as her body?

Heart, mind and soul -- yes, I believe I totally possess all total the parts that comprise someone I have ownership of, whether real, or ethereal.

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