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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:17:19 AM   
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[I agree Kerry should be irrelevant. You have to convince him to be so.


It is easier for me to be irrelevant - and I'm doing a bang up job if I say so mayself ;-D

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:19:56 AM   
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They play on the same team Merc.

Bushie and Kerry are...

Both members of Yale's skull and bones secret society.

Blood relatives.

career politicians.

They are the same with different flavors.

Neither of them should ever hold public office again.


Indeed.

Kerry's limp-wristed Presidental fight in '04 made me very suspicious about his true motivation. This recent comment of his only adds to my suspicion.

Remember folks, these pigs at the trough create an awful lot of smoke and mirrors for us to see through. If you're going to take everything they say at face value, you're not likely to ever know the truth.    

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:23:40 AM   
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I personally think it would be a fitting end for Monkeyboy to be dragged before Congress and tried for violating constitutional law and being forced to do time in the Big House.

Happily, he is too stupid to resign and let Shotgun pardon him before he is indicted.

Gotta love the self-worshipping idiots of this world.

Sinergy


Basic jail time is just not good enough for Captain Cookoo Bananas(Thank you Homer Simpson). Say it with me, "War Crimes Tribunal, The Hague."

Put Monkeyboy, Shooter, The Klingon in Pradas and the Screamer who's representing us at the U.N. on trial for this whole quagmire.

Kerry made a number of shots across the bow against the C-Average pResident before the "quote" he's getting crucified over. If everyone heard the whole quote in context, the whole tempest would lose all steam.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:52:57 AM   
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Do you think nuclear submarines leave all thier nuclear specialists ashore when they go to sea or the same for nuclear aircraft carriers, crusiers and destroyers?

I never set foot on Viet Namese soil but I was still in the combat zone of Viet Nam and
received appropriate accomdations.

Calling people names doesn't make it fact.

Let's see just a few weeks ago the Dems were just frothing at the mouth over the
Foley thing.

So, as one dem commentor recently said, "All's fair in politics." I think it was Laura
Scwartz. Not real sure about that.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 9:41:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		JOKE SHOULD BE: If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq."  He left out only one word



Kerry's initial comment came in a joking riff at the top of a speech in Los Angeles on Monday, sandwiched in between a crack about President Bush and one about special prosecutors. 
"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you - you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." 
Kerry and associates say the remark was "a botched joke" about the President and his people, not about the troops, and that the White House is now distorting the remark for political gain.  NBC's Kelly O'Donnell reports that per a source close to Kerry, he was making "a tough and honest joke" about Bush and it came out slightly mangled. 

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 9:52:46 AM   
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"Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning."

is completely ok, and not an insult to EVERY SCHOOLCHILD and TEACHER?




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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 10:14:53 AM   
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Thompson,

Do you think nuclear submarines leave all thier nuclear specialists ashore when they go to sea or the same for nuclear aircraft carriers, crusiers and destroyers?

I never set foot on Viet Namese soil but I was still in the combat zone of Viet Nam and
received appropriate accomdations.

Calling people names doesn't make it fact.

Let's see just a few weeks ago the Dems were just frothing at the mouth over the
Foley thing.

So, as one dem commentor recently said, "All's fair in politics." I think it was Laura
Scwartz. Not real sure about that.



MrrPete:
Perhaps you can tell me how many times either yankee or dixie station took hostile fire during the entire time of their deployment.....So when a Nuclear specialist tells me that he has been shot at, my best guess is  that it was by a jealous husband and not combat related

thompson

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 1:34:41 PM   
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...is just plain limousine trash living on other people's merit and other people's money and using snobbery to confuse that reality.

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."  - John Kerry

Foxer


I agree, he's an Eliteist who thinks he's better than The People just like Ted Kennedy.
We need to stop electing people like them.
And they all seem to be lawyers!
I lived in Massachusetts when Kerry and Dukakis were in the state house and they took the "Massachusetts Miracle" which (they) had absolutely nothing to do with and turned it into the Massachusetts Nightmare by raising taxes and driving high tech companies out of state.
No, Kerry doesn't appologise he has servants who do that for him.
At this point I'm starting to believe that anyone with any type of "Degree" should be excluded from running for public office!
People like John Kerry are not "The People" and certainly don't LISTEN to their Constituents.
Kerry even had a fire hydrant moved from in front of his town house in Louisberg Square in downtown Boston so HE could park there! How's that for a man of the people!
And Bozos like this are determining our policies?
We really do need to get different people in office.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 1:42:23 PM   
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Thompson,

Do you think nuclear submarines leave all thier nuclear specialists ashore when they go to sea or the same for nuclear aircraft carriers, crusiers and destroyers?

I never set foot on Viet Namese soil but I was still in the combat zone of Viet Nam and
received appropriate accomdations.

Calling people names doesn't make it fact.

Let's see just a few weeks ago the Dems were just frothing at the mouth over the
Foley thing.

So, as one dem commentor recently said, "All's fair in politics." I think it was Laura
Scwartz. Not real sure about that.



MrrPete:
Perhaps you can tell me how many times either yankee or dixie station took hostile fire during the entire time of their deployment.....So when a Nuclear specialist tells me that he has been shot at, my best guess is  that it was by a jealous husband and not combat related

thompson


Thompson, and a lot of guys on Carriers and other ships never got shot at (except for the Pilots) but they were in a combat zone and they helped inflict a lot of damage on the enemy as well.
So did all the Air Force guys at Clark in the Philipines who kept the B-52's flying.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 2:00:40 PM   
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All three should be taking "smart" pills.
Boy, we've done so well with people who Yale eh?

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 2:44:29 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Well, he's apologized.

I sure now feel better about the entire situation. (I'm referencing the fact that I didn't vote for him in the first place.) Not proud of President Bush, but holy hell John. Yesterday it was; "I make apologies to NO ONE!"

quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Thrust into the midst of the midterm election campaign, Sen. John Kerry apologized Wednesday to "any service member, family member or American who was offended" by remarks deemed by Republicans and Democrats alike to be insulting to U.S. forces in Iraq. Source: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061101/D8L4H92G0.html


These excerpts from his interview with Don Imus this morning are priceless. In the same interview he said this statement:

quote:

KERRY: These guys have failed America.  The people who owe an apology are people like Donald Rumsfeld, who didn’t send enough troops, who didn’t listen to the generals, who has made every mistake in the book.


And this statement:
quote:



KERRY:  I’m sorry that John McCain has said what he said.  John McCain’s been a friend for a long time.  But I have to tell you, I think John McCain is wrong about this.

John McCain has been a cheerleader for a policy that is incorrect. John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don’t have another 100,000 troops. Secondly, if you send them over there, it’s going to do exactly what’s already happened, which is attract more terrorists and more jihadists. Our own generals are telling us that it’s the numbers of troops that are the problem.


I didn't believe it when I heard it, but here is the transcript: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15512797/

Now it has to be difficult to contradict yourself in the span of 5 minutes.

Is Kerry secretly running the Hilliary Clinton campaign?


Btw-Why the hell are there two threads on this subject? How hard is it to see KERRY in the thread banner?

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:12:51 PM   
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Foxer:
When I was in the military, officers were treated differently than enlisted men.  Staff NCO's were treated differently than NCO's.  NCO's were treated differently than the ranks.  I do not know where you got your perceptions of equality in the military but it does not exist and never has.

thompson


Navy, right? 

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 7:47:51 PM   
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I get the impression that you are quoting the two recruiting articles to make some kind of political point against Foxer55 and in support of Kerry's remarks.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

However, the two articles you quoted are somewhat misleading, and, in the way your present them, biased and inaccurate.

The point of the debate on Kerry's remarks seems to be that he apparently insulted the intelligence of members of the military, and your articles seem to be, then, and attempt to show that his remarks are/were accurate.

First, from a strictly non-logical point of view, I take issue with your "support" of the "military members are stupid" meme.

From a more balanced point of view, your lack of understanding of the recruiting mechanism (not uncommon, since I doubt you've had any real experience with it over time) is apparent.

First, recruiting standards fluctuate over time - all the time.  The change in the age, and the weight standard are really nothing more than a belated recognition of changes in the population over the last century.  Older people are more healthy and fit.  The average weight of the population has risen.

What you don't understand is that these "relaxed" standards are only entry standards.  Once in the military, the individuals must perform according to the same standards as anyone else.

A second part of your argument seems to be that since you apparently disapprove of the war, you believe that the recruiting shortfall this year in the Army (the only service with a shortfall, btw) is due to disapproval of the current war.

While I've no doubt that there are some people who won't/didn't sign up because of their political views, I can be equally certain that there are people who did sign up for the same reason.

Over the long haul, the most important factor in meeting recruiting goals is simply to understand and explain.

The economy.

The better, more robust the economy, the more difficult it is to meet recruiting goals, irrespective of the conflicts (or lack thereof) going on in the world.

Finally, you are leaving out a very important indicator of the "happiness" of the members of the military - retention levels.

Retention levels of soldiers, airman, sailors and marines who have been to Iraq, and Afghanistan is the highest since the All Volunteer Force went into existence after the Vietnam War.

What would be your explanation for this?  The members of the military are too dumb to know better?  It's the only job that they can get, and they know it?  They are deceived about what they are actually doing?

Like all statistics, there is a lot of room for incomplete, or partial understanding of what recruiting goals mean, where they come from, and why they exist.

I'd just advise digging a little deeper before trying to use them to "prove" a point, especially one in support of one that seems to be insulting to a lot of people.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 8:03:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Most of our armed forces since the Vietnam era and more today is made up of those who cannot find another job or source of income.

In Vietnam, the war was fought by mainly blacks and poor white guys.  That left over 58,000 of their comrades dead in the rice paddies and now they are leaving their comrades dead in the sand of Iraq. 

What Senator Kerry said was basically the truth.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 8:23:47 PM   
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Look, what he said was stupid.  I believe it's not what he meant to say, and I also believe he's a dumass for botching that alleged joke.  But who cares?  This is all Republican bullshit.  They know they're going to lose seats next week, so they're grasping at whatever bullshit they can find--and Kerry was kind enough to oblige them.

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People, the election is over.  Why are we still talking about John Kerry?


Don't know. Why is John Kerry still talking to us?

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 9:04:23 PM   
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RE: John Kerry... - 11/1/2006 9:08:45 PM   
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Most of our armed forces since the Vietnam era and more today is made up of those who cannot find another job or source of income.


What Senator Kerry said was basically the truth.


Please back up your words with some facts and cohesive arguments, rather than simply slapping an emotional declaration of incompetence all over anyone who serves in the armed forces.

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As with sub4hire, I find it difficult to credit that you aren't making a defense of Kerry in the sense that he made a mis-statement, but instead, you are choosing to defend his "position" as it was (apparently) mis-stated i.e. All People in the Military are dumb, failures and incapable of finding work outside of the military.

I seriously doubt you have much experience or personal knowledge of very many people who have served, or are serving.  Nor of the education requirements within the services, nor of the professional training system within the military, nor of the complex and challenging processes, rules, tactics and systems that must be mastered by any soldier.  Movies by Oliver Stone aren't really that good to teach you the culture and requirements of military service.

I also believe that you are confusing the fact that a large bulk of entry level soldiers are young (therefore inexperienced or untrained) with being incapable of finding employment in the civilian world due to incompetence or stupidity.

For the most part, if you take the average teenager or young adult outside of the military, and compare them to a cohort of others within their age within the military, you'll find that the military members are more goal orientated, more aware of ethics and responsiblities, and seek to improve themselves and their families.

Often times, the military is used by these type of young people to give them the experiences and financial resources to act on their self improvement.

Which is better for someone whose parents can't afford to send them to a major college, or buy them their first house as a wedding gift?  Go to work at MickyD's?  Or gain valuable experience while earning money for a later education?

No, I have to say, your comments point to an attitude that I don't particular endorse, nor will particular allow to go unchallenged.

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/3/2006 9:10:33 PM   
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Most of our armed forces since the Vietnam era and more today is made up of those who cannot find another job or source of income.


What Senator Kerry said was basically the truth.


Please back up your words with some facts and cohesive arguments, rather than simply slapping an emotional declaration of incompetence all over anyone who serves in the armed forces.

***

As with sub4hire, I find it difficult to credit that you aren't making a defense of Kerry in the sense that he made a mis-statement, but instead, you are choosing to defend his "position" as it was (apparently) mis-stated i.e. All People in the Military are dumb, failures and incapable of finding work outside of the military.

I seriously doubt you have much experience or personal knowledge of very many people who have served, or are serving.  Nor of the education requirements within the services, nor of the professional training system within the military, nor of the complex and challenging processes, rules, tactics and systems that must be mastered by any soldier.  Movies by Oliver Stone aren't really that good to teach you the culture and requirements of military service.

I also believe that you are confusing the fact that a large bulk of entry level soldiers are young (therefore inexperienced or untrained) with being incapable of finding employment in the civilian world due to incompetence or stupidity.

For the most part, if you take the average teenager or young adult outside of the military, and compare them to a cohort of others within their age within the military, you'll find that the military members are more goal orientated, more aware of ethics and responsiblities, and seek to improve themselves and their families.

Often times, the military is used by these type of young people to give them the experiences and financial resources to act on their self improvement.

Which is better for someone whose parents can't afford to send them to a major college, or buy them their first house as a wedding gift?  Go to work at MickyD's?  Or gain valuable experience while earning money for a later education?

No, I have to say, your comments point to an attitude that I don't particular endorse, nor will particular allow to go unchallenged.

FirmKY




FirmKY:
I have been out of the military for quite some time but I still have a pretty close relationship with them because of contractual obligations and that I occasionally hire military personel for short term contract work.
I do not see any substantial difference between the military now and the militay I knew  40 years ago.  The unwilling being told by the unknowing to do the unnecessary...dumber than a post and twice as ugly.   The only reason the military has any retention rate at all is that bush & co have frozen seperations and called up reserves.... people my age.... people with "skills"...Now please don't get me wrong not everyone in the military is a "knuckle dragger" but we all knew some who were.
Kerry did not say you had to be dumb to be in the military he said you had to be uneducated...and by and large that is correct.  To be an officer you need to be a college graduate.  To be an enlisted man you do not need to finish high school or have a GED....a waiver is a very easy thing to get. 
When you lower the standards to let someone in the military is it possible to lower the standards that they must perform to in boot camp?  Since this is a training  command level decission it does not even need to be cleared with the secretary of defense.  No problem.
When you say that teenagers in the military are more goal oriented ....etc than teenagers at large would that also include all teenagers in college  or those in apprentace ship programs or the peace corps....
I knew a lot of very smart people in the military but they were sorely outnumbered by the mind numblingly stupid ....does'nt military inteligence come under the heading of oxymoron...
I do not understand what part of smart it is to go get shot at for less than minimum wage so that rich people can get richer....now if you do some thing that is not smart it is usually called stupid but then noone likes to admit to being stupid or doing things that are not smart so we all try to justify this in some way by waving the flag and using patriotic phrases and supporting the troops ....just so much rhetoric to obscure the truth.
No I was not in the navy.

thompson 

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/3/2006 10:07:54 PM   
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Thompson,

Do you think nuclear submarines leave all thier nuclear specialists ashore when they go to sea or the same for nuclear aircraft carriers, crusiers and destroyers?

I never set foot on Viet Namese soil but I was still in the combat zone of Viet Nam and
received appropriate accomdations.

Calling people names doesn't make it fact.

Let's see just a few weeks ago the Dems were just frothing at the mouth over the
Foley thing.

So, as one dem commentor recently said, "All's fair in politics." I think it was Laura
Scwartz. Not real sure about that.



I suppose it is too much to ask to have people post on message boards with coherent thoughts and intellectually derived opinions, as opposed to mindless cretings who parrot the idiotic sound bites that morons like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh spout.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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RE: John Kerry... - 11/4/2006 8:33:49 AM   
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Mercnbeth:
Could you give me the source of the college grades you quoted for these two losers.
I find it hard to believe that any one is dumber than dubya..but then anything is possible.
thompson


thompsonx,
Here ya go:
quote:

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry authorizes release of his full military and medical records. A7.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.



http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/


Mercnbeth:
Thank you for the link.  I went to the site and found that only one point seperated dumb and dummer with dubya holding a 77 to 76 lead over dummer.  The article went on to point out that dubya had received only one D while in college which would indicate that with a 77 which is a 2.7 gpa that with only one D the rest of his grades must have been C's with possibly one or two B's.
The article goes on to point out that dummer received 10 D's in his first year of college but then was able to bring his gpa to within one point of dubya by the end of four years.  Now it takes 10 B's to make C's out of 10 D's.  So it would seem that  by any measure dummer may not be very bright but he is not dummer than dubya.

thompson

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