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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/10/2007 7:36:24 PM   
blushingflower


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Status: offline 		Honestly, I kind of like filing, so it wouldn't be punishment for me.  I'd also happily catalog my master's library or alphabetize his DVDs or CDs. 
And I don't really see essays as "punishment", in the sense of being unpleasant, but more of a tool for "lets explore why you broke a rule and try to get us both to understand that, so you won't break it again".  It's a communication thing, and I express myself better in writing sometimes.  But Daddy never makes me write essays.

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/10/2007 7:50:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blushingflower
Honestly, I kind of like filing, so it wouldn't be punishment for me.  I'd also happily catalog my master's library or alphabetize his DVDs or CDs

Ditto, blushingflower!  I guess I'm pretty obsessive about organizing, cataloging, and alphabetizing but then I'm a former librarian so that's ok, right?  I actually have typed lists of all my books, DVD's, and videos in alphabetical order.  All the music on my pc is listed alphabetically by song title.  Master could not be much more disorganized if He tried, bless His heart.  He is talking about finally giving in and letting me do the same with the music on His pc.  I just feel better when things are organized and easy to find.  But then, I can remember my 1st grade teacher letting me help file papers alphabetically and I loved it.  Guess I've always been warped.
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And I don't really see essays as "punishment", in the sense of being unpleasant, but more of a tool for "lets explore why you broke a rule and try to get us both to understand that, so you won't break it again".  It's a communication thing, and I express myself better in writing sometimes

Ditto again.  I've had one major punishment during our relationship and part of the punishment was typing (what ended up being a 7 page) essay on the subject of "obedience."  It wasn't just reiterating what someone else had said, either.  He gave me specific instructions as guidelines and even though I'm considered a pretty good writer, I had a block for quite awhile until I finally figured out a good way to approach writing it.  In the end, He was so impressed and said it was even better than He had imagined.  That was one of my proudest accomplishments so far.  Paperwork, writing, and organizing in general are pretty fun in my book.  Perhaps even one of my many "kinks"....lol......luci



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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/10/2007 7:59:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		  I too love to write so it would not be a punishment.  I also love research and working in a library.  Many jobs have started for me by cleaning up books and files first in offices.  Now when we talk about rooms and papers ugh!  I am a paper hoarder.  Sometimes it gets away from me.  Like all this year.  Since I have no Dom or Master at the moment, I get my MOM bitching at me who comes over to help with my house and kids.  I would rather have the other LOL she is worse and no benefits that include blow jobs.

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/10/2007 9:33:55 PM   
iwillobeysir


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Status: offline 		I understand if a Dom/Master wants to make a sub/slave write something "serious", reflecting on some aspect of their relationship.

BUT, if the idea is to have the sub/slave waste time, there is such a thing as "Fond of Writing":  a software tool that forces a typist to repetivly type whatever the Dom/Master wants and keeps tract of the results.    (Uh, are links outside of CollarMe o.k. here?   I seem to remember reading that that was a no-no.  If you're interested in the tool, Google "Fond of Writing" and you should find a hit.)

Also, Yahoo Groups has a group dedicated to the program, with examples and such, and there you can even download a "vanilla" version of the software.
They also have within that Yahoo Group another download called "Grounded", which forces a user to simply sit in front of a greyed-out monitor screen for long periods of time. 

Both tools are going to be for a niche-market within our community, but if you're into it, they're decidedly evil tools to use!

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/10/2007 10:55:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've explored various aspects of punishment and I've found that the submissive is harder on herself than I could ever be, so the problem then becomes...how do we get past the infraction? Knowing that she's been so hard on herself and will continue to do so until something happens, I've used writing as the "bump". Once we get over that bump, it is behind us and never is it to be brought up again. Sometimes physical exertion or punishment helps to close that door as well, but I prefer to use something that is not a normal part of my BDSM type play. I find it a bit of a mixed message to do something pleasurable when we want to have fun, then do the same thing to punish...I know the mindset is different, but it's still not right to me.

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 3:23:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is rather funny, since I just threatened b's sister sub with "forced long division" for punishment... don't get me wrong, she's a VERY smart woman, but hates math and has trouble with numbers... of course she dutifully whined about being able to use a calculator (which is funny since I got an email from her yesterday saying "Quick!  What's 1610-1578!??"  Apparently she got three different answers on her calculator.. lol).  Needless to say, I assured her that I would provide her with scratch paper.

As motivation to complete the test in a timely and accurate fashion, for each problem she gets wrong, in goes an anal bead.. heh heh heh.  As if the math itself wouldn't be punishment enough... but adding the beads to it creates that more "slightly panicked" sensation.


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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 7:43:28 AM   
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Whenever there has been an issue to work through, he has assigned me essays to write on the subject.  I have done some of my deepest soul searching and found solutions to some of my most troubling mindsets by way of these essays.  Just a couple of weeks ago I discovered the core issue behind a problem that has plagued us off and on for the last 2+ years.  These essays are a great tool for me because I typically take a few days or so to process my thoughts in the background while going about life, and taking the time to write allows me to chew on concepts and ideas in a way I am not always able to in a give and take verbal exchange.  Plus, I can go back and read them later, which helps me settle in with my thoughts and really understand them. 

There have been times when I was assigned to write (handwrite, not type) 500 senteneces in my best, neatest penmanship. At first I thought this was ridiculous, but I did it - it took me about 4 hours in one sitting and resulted in a very stiff and achey hand; another time I broke it down into 25 sentence increments.  It was still painful. 

But...I keep these pages on the shelf of my night stand, and to this day I read them as part of my nightly ritual before going to bed.  They have become rather sacred to me (the sentences were a very real sentiment, as opposed to "I will not stick my tongue out again" sort of stuff), and I find after all this time, I am grateful he had me do them.

I did have a friend once who loved to tease her Master by poking her index finger into his bellybutton.  Once, he was feeling irritable and told her not to do that, and she giggled and did it anyway.  She found herself writing, 500 times, "I will not poke my Master's bellybutton."  They both got a big laugh about it later...

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 11:38:42 AM   
GhitaAmati


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Status: offline 		I used to have to keep a journal, but it wasnt punishment....sometimes Id get sentances, and a few times I was asked to do research and write about both my findings and my thoughts on my findings.

I dont think I would find filing a very good punishment, cause I actually think putting things in order is rather calming and soothing...but im just weird like that

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 11:42:20 AM   
meticulousgirl


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Status: offline 		Filing...

It's what I do day in and day out...so it wouldn't faze me a bit to be honest.

~meticulous~

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 3:34:58 PM   
Sinergy


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I have done the paperwork thing, although I am not a punitive sort of person.

Generally, what I have asked for was something written with the basic topic being
something innate to the person I have tasked.  This happened with one of my relationships
back in 2001.

This eventually became punishment for me, because the self-examination assignment
I gave to the person ends up being a source of 2319870123487 questions, as the person
tried to figure out exactly what I wanted them to write about themselves.

Asking somebody else to examine themselves does not qualify in my mind as a question I need
to answer.

Go figure.

Sinergy

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 7/11/2007 5:57:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't consider a productive chore a punishment, I would do it as happily as scrub a floor or cook a meal. It's something that needs to be done, and I would be happy to do it.

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/22/2007 7:07:26 AM   
dstripes


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Status: offline 		Ok, where do we meet, im not workign at the momnet and feel guilty anyway...dave

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/23/2007 4:12:14 AM   
denika


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Status: offline 		Rob and I don't do the punishment/reward behavior in our relationship but he made me write lines once. I was actually pretty stunned by it since he's never really drawn that line in the sand before. I made a few derogitory comments about myself while we were driving to go to the store. When we got there he pulled out a note pad he usually has tucked in the glove box and handed that to me with a pen and  had me right, ' I am beautiful and loved' over and over until he got back, I wasn't allowed to go into the store with him but had to sit in the car and write.

A lady I bottomed to had a great library of lifestyle books, but for everyone she lent me to read she wanted a short  report of what I thought of the book and if I took anything away from it, liked or disliked it. That was actually one of the few things she asked of me that made any sense lol.


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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/23/2007 4:20:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to write sentences as punishment ... paperwork couldn't be much worse than that ... I HATE it with a passion ...

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/23/2007 4:40:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the beginning of my first valuable relationship, I was required to keep a daily journal… At first it was pretty cool, able to express my feeling and desires freely, however after a few years it really became a pain in the ass and caused more problems then good…  It got to the point where my journals were “I hate writing journals”…

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/25/2007 10:40:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Punishments need to be effective at changing a certain behavior. I can't see how filing would help change a behavior and bring deeper understanding to their obedience unless they were having problems with filing.


For all of the fans of the movie "Secretary"....big red pen <G>

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RE: Paperwork as punishment? - 8/25/2007 10:53:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: instynctive
(which is funny since I got an email from her yesterday saying "Quick! What's 1610-1578!??" Apparently she got three different answers on her calculator.. lol). Needless to say, I assured her that I would provide her with scratch paper.


32, no calculator needed, only 3 seconds <G>. But truly, the answer to everything is 42! (See Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

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