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I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy.

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I hope i can start talking with the real BDSM society and not with the game players. Is there a BDSM society that understands? Is there a slavery life for thse who crave and accept their role as subs and want to be slaves? Can someone tell me if I am in the right group or web page' 

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ORIGINAL: johncw1
I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy.

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I also can't understand why this is a game for many and if we slaves, Masters and Mistresses are in a game or if there is something real about it.

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ORIGINAL: johncw1

Many people think is weird and crazy to think that someone (slaves or subs) can like the idea of being humiliated, nude daily in a collar and cuffs (like slaves through out history), submitted to a life of discipline, torture, humiliation, chasited, shaving, dressing in uniforms, feminization and be at the call of someone else who owns them as property.

There are two issues here as to why society in general finds this difficult to handle.
 
First, there is the genuine horror that people feel, for the idea of slavery itself, for the idea of someone being abused in such a way. Long may this viewpoint prevail, although it does tend to confuse actual, non consensual slavery with consensual bdsm slavery, and also tends to be coloured by knowledge about actual slavery drawn from the most abusive epsisodes in history, which ignores that in many places throughout history, actual slaves were not badly treated at all, and were often influential figures in their societies.
 
Secondly, there is the Christian morality which has informed and still dominates our culture. A morality which says basically that eroticism itself is a bad thing - sexual activity is for the procreation of children to the greater glory of God, that sort of thing, and whilst to desire it is a natural weakness for mankind, it is not something to be enjoyed, but rather a temptation which should be resisted as far as possible, and if resistance is not possible then its only outlet should be in Christian marriage, which should be in love, but not have any brook with the fleshly temptations of lust. Given that viewpoint on reproductive sexual activity, society in general has a major problem in dealing with anything beyond that - not just bdsm, but homosexuality, transgender behaviour, fetishes etc. General society cannot understand how someone could willingly enter into consensual slavery for erotic purposes, as sex itself is dirty and slavery is wrong on top of that.

I love and like this life that I have chosen, of course for any sub or slave, been nude in a dungeon all day would be great but also it would be boring if you didn’t do anything and just hang or be in a cage. Being a slave today is about commitment and hard work helping your owner (s) to be better, live in a better way and release them from many tasks usually not the owners and more for subs or slaves. Discipline, punishment and things that make an owner feel pleasure are part of the training and a sub or slave knows them and accepts them as it is part of the life they have chosen or forced to chose.

Absolutely - apart from that last part "forced to choose"; what do you mean by that please? If I had an actual slave, then yes I could force them to do anything, but to me even a bdsm slave should not be forced to do anything - they should want to obey. Maybe I'm too soft, but it sort of takes the point away for me, if I have to force them to obey? I want a happy slave, happy to serve! I am also worried about the idea of a bdsm slaves being forced to choose consensual slavery - that makes no sense to me; it has to be a conscious and willing abdication of personal authority that makes a bdsm slave - a slave forced into such a life is an actual slave.

I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy. I also can't understand why this is a game for many and if we slaves, Masters and Mistresses are in a game or if there is something real about it, i ask because I read a lot of profiles were people ask for subs or slaves but they are not prepare to work for a relationship, they ask you to move quickly without learning about you or knowing you better.

Yes; IMO those willing to take a person as a slave, just any person, based on their profile or on a few exchanges of mail, is not someone I'd be comfortable with to be honest. If I took a slave, I'd want to know them and as much about them as possible, because whatever the relationship, I'm going to have to live with them! And I believe whatever we might think, there has to be some sort of human relationship between owner and owned, for it to work. And in the end yes, this is all a game really for me; I am absolutely and resolutely against actual slavery, though I could easily own and use a willing slave under some consensually agreed arrangement that places responsibilities on both parties - something absent in real slavery. 

I hope i can start talking with the real BDSM society and not with the game players. Is there a BDSM society that understands? Is there a slavery life for thse who crave and accept their role as subs and want to be slaves? Can someone tell me if I am in the right group or web page' 
john

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ORIGINAL: johncw1

I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy.

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ORIGINAL: johncw1

Many people think is weird and crazy to think that someone (slaves or subs) can like the idea of being humiliated, nude daily in a collar and cuffs (like slaves through out history), submitted to a life of discipline, torture, humiliation, chasited, shaving, dressing in uniforms, feminization and be at the call of someone else who owns them as property. I love and like this life that I have chosen, of course for any sub or slave, been nude in a dungeon all day would be great but also it would be boring if you didn’t do anything and just hang or be in a cage. Being a slave today is about commitment and hard work helping your owner (s) to be better, live in a better way and release them from many tasks usually not the owners and more for subs or slaves. Discipline, punishment and things that make an owner feel pleasure are part of the training and a sub or slave knows them and accepts them as it is part of the life they have chosen or forced to chose.
I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy. I also can't understand why this is a game for many and if we slaves, Masters and Mistresses are in a game or if there is something real about it, i ask because I read a lot of profiles were people ask for subs or slaves but they are not prepare to work for a relationship, they ask you to move quickly without learning about you or knowing you better. I hope i can start talking with the real BDSM society and not with the game players. Is there a BDSM society that understands? Is there a slavery life for thse who crave and accept their role as subs and want to be slaves? Can someone tell me if I am in the right group or web page' 
john

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ORIGINAL: johncw1

Many people think is weird and crazy to think that someone (slaves or subs) can like the idea of being humiliated, nude daily in a collar and cuffs (like slaves through out history), submitted to a life of discipline, torture, humiliation, chasited, shaving, dressing in uniforms, feminization and be at the call of someone else who owns them as property. I love and like this life that I have chosen, of course for any sub or slave, been nude in a dungeon all day would be great but also it would be boring if you didn’t do anything and just hang or be in a cage. Being a slave today is about commitment and hard work helping your owner (s) to be better, live in a better way and release them from many tasks usually not the owners and more for subs or slaves. Discipline, punishment and things that make an owner feel pleasure are part of the training and a sub or slave knows them and accepts them as it is part of the life they have chosen or forced to chose.

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I just don't understand why people would not accept us the way we are and call us weird or crazy. I also can't understand why this is a game for many and if we slaves, Masters and Mistresses are in a game or if there is something real about it, i ask because I read a lot of profiles were people ask for subs or slaves but they are not prepare to work for a relationship, they ask you to move quickly without learning about you or knowing you better. I hope i can start talking with the real BDSM society and not with the game players. Is there a BDSM society that understands? Is there a slavery life for thse who crave and accept their role as subs and want to be slaves? Can someone tell me if I am in the right group or web page' 
john

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ORIGINAL: johncw1
I hope i can start talking with the real BDSM society and not with the game players. Is there a BDSM society that understands? Is there a slavery life for these who crave and accept their role as subs and want to be slaves? Can someone tell me if I am in the right group or web page' 
john