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RE: Acceptance - 11/8/2006 7:02:54 AM   
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Howdy back atcha... and thank you.
 
So when are you and yours coming out?
 
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RE: Acceptance - 11/8/2006 7:08:49 AM   
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Great thread, thank you julia.  Acceptance means so much and on so many levels, I'm not sure that we can do the topic justice.  But I think you all are giving it a great try.  I've learned to accept much in my life.   I am struggling now with acceptance of change.  I don't do well with change, even if it is something that I know is necessary and good. 

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RE: Acceptance - 11/8/2006 9:49:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mstrjx

The corresponding thread on being alone, as well as the recent news about how married people are now a minority, go along with this thread quite well.

We talk about not settling.  That's fine, well and good.

We talk about having peculiarities that require acceptance, both from ourselves as well as others.  Although I made my peace with myself ages ago, I'm saddened that others have not made it to that point yet.

It gets to the point that we see ourselves as SO individual, SO finite, that at some point we assume that there CANNOT be a match for us (as people not in relationships (part of the OP)) without some degree of settling, or an inordinate amount of compromise from one party or the other (or both), and it becomes easier just to put others on the backburner.

Is this the definition of pushing ourselves away from others?  Perhaps so.  After all, what is the alternative?  If there were some huge database along the lines of inputting 'ourselves' as well as what kinks we enjoy crossmatched with those who fit a particular profile (gender, height and weight, sexual identification, what they are into as well as what they are NOT, what kinks in a partner they find acceptable (and NOT), location relative to yours, etc.), then 'maybe' we can allow our guards to be dropped for a moment.

Think this view of ourselves relative to others is farfetched?  Think twice, I believe.

Jeff


Jeff,
I think you've touched on issues that strike a chord with me as well.  In my opinion, perfection is an illusion at best!  To my way of thinking, there's no doubt of the importance of learning to accept and love myself so that I can be open to appreciating the acceptance and unconditional love of others that might come my way.  That requires me to look within and be honest with myself before I can be open and honest with others.  Being honest with myself is often the most difficult part.  At times, there are things that I just don't want to see or acknowledge about myself, regardless of how many times I hear them from others.  It is much easier to dismiss them as sour grapes or the rantings of people who barely know me, don't know me well enough to draw those conclusions, or people who simply don't understand me.  But when you hear them more than once, perhaps it is time to take a closer look within?  Its a very hard and often painful thing to do!

As Jeff has implied, perhaps it is much easier to push others away as not meeting my standards or matching my profile rather than being more accepting and honest with myself about who and what I am while at the same time, being more tolerant and flexible in regard to those who might find me desirable as well!  Perhaps those people already see the things I refuse to acknowledge in myself, yet have chosen to accept them.  What greater gift could they give me than that?  Are we all as good of a catch as we believe?  Perhaps its time for more introspection and honesty with myself and others in that regard.  If my friends and family can like me and love me, then why can't I choose to find a woman with which I can do the same?  For the record, after choosing to ending an unhealthy 15 year marriage, and largely D/s relationship, I've recently started the process myself of looking for a new Mistress to serve.  That said, I would boldly suggest that for many, the answer lies more within than without! 

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RE: Acceptance - 11/8/2006 10:28:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
What are your thoughts? Does this concept figure into your relationship, if you are single still, is acceptance something you feel is important?


To respond to the OP,
The answer to the gist of your original question is "yes".  Being relatively recently single, other than when around my kids, I'm pretty open about my lifestyle.  I don't "advertise" that I'm a submissive male, but I also make no effort to hide it.  I don't feel any shame about it and view any non-acceptance or judgement expressed by others about it as being their problem and I then move on to look for someone more compatible with my own sexuality.

One of the things I'm happiest about in terms of having moved from the previous neighborhood I lived in with my former Mistress and spouse is being away from the judgmental neighbors who I felt I couldn't be myself around, and that wouldn't have accepted the nature of our relationship.  For me, with no disrespect to the gay community, it was something akin to "living a life in the closet."  While I appear to be a "normal" adult male, I feel less inhibited and restricted about being open in disclosing my sexual nature should I become friends with someone.  On vanilla dating sites, I'm also upfront about being a sexually submissive male who is looking for a dominant woman.  Unfortunately, I've found most women on those sites are rather clueless to what I'm speaking of, but there have been a number of exceptions.

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RE: Acceptance - 11/8/2006 1:46:29 PM   
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One of the "issues" I noticed when I came on to CollarMe was the lack of acceptance by those who contacted me.  In fact, my first journal entry was to single out and clarify the importance of acceptance to me:

...I do not need fixing, nor do I need anyone to make me into the "best" person I can be. I take personal offense at this type of statement as it implies that I'm somehow of inferior quality or less than acceptable right now. I do have a modicum of self-esteem, happen to think I'm a pretty great person as I am, and possess a healthy portion of respect for myself. Should anyone desire to develop a relationship with me, I would hope that they do so because they already like and accept me for who I am...

I am indeed fortunate to have found someone with whom I feel complete acceptance. 

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RE: Acceptance - 11/9/2006 4:47:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Howdy back atcha... and thank you.
 
So when are you and yours coming out?
 
Jewel


I told Scoot it was a 'maybe' situation he'll tell ya bout it *chuckles*  but soon we hope!

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RE: Acceptance - 11/9/2006 6:22:42 AM   
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I believe that in any open (even a casual) dialogue, a premise of acceptance has to be in existence in order for anything useful to come of it.
 
Speaking directly of cyber communications (although this might be applied to any)  - if the conversation starts with an untruth, with posturing, with  the purpose of subterfuge and/or hiding there ends the acceptance and destruction of it for both parties.
 
Unfortunatley, because of the medium of the internet and due to the nature of our demeanors (realized and the "enhanced posturing:" that some feel is required in order to be "who they are") we often lose that right from the start of the interchange....
 
It is easier to lie, to posture to impose untruths on people where the screen is the shield for the deceipt and the "social edicts" prevalent in "meat life" are still adhered to as an applicable requisite for behavior -despite the fact that they create more of the poor behavior and manifest it into "meat life"<---owe someone a debt of gratitude for the use of this here on collar me - although I believe it was first coined by a sci fi author)
 
I very often, in on line interactions, come "out of the gate" on someone's statements by being less than courteous and not at all kind,... that is a result of reading what they write and finding something either lacking or "in addition" to that which would be required for this "acceptance" to be present from the outset and therefore an element of the content has negated the acceptance so required for civil discourse.
 
In such an instance I (as the reader and communicator) owe nothing to the other (originator) as any potential for good communication has since been dashed by this other.
 
Many consider this to be rude and (in some vague way) "improper conduct" - and, yet - people naturally avoid confrontation and therefore shy away from the truth allowed by the people who would take advantage of this innane social more for communication.
 
Acceptance is about allowance on both sides for the intelligence and veracity of the other... if this tenet is violated from the outset, then that has ended and would not be re-established during that interchange.
 
Acceptance is essential in the conduct of a discourse that has more meaning than the generic nicities required through casual and baselessly banal common conversation.
 
Julianna - a more freaking inciteful OP than I have seen here in a long time.
 
~J

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I have noticed that there is a concept that does not get talked about much here, we talk about communication, honesty, trust… what I think that we are missing in our discussions is talking about the power of acceptance. I was wondering if this is important to people?

I will attempt to describe what I am talking about in relation to WIITWD . In my view acceptance is the cornerstone of good communication, trust, and honesty. I believe that people will be listened to, trusted, and a person will be honest with another when there is mutual acceptance of each other. Without acceptance there are walls to openness. If a person feels they are not valued for their intrinsic worth it closes down communication in my mind. If a person cannot be honest about their needs, desires, and even fantasies it is because they fear on some level they will not be accepted for them

What are your thoughts? Does this concept figure into your relationship, if you are single still, is acceptance something you feel is important?



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RE: Acceptance - 11/9/2006 8:47:44 AM   
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quote:

I very often, in on line interactions, come "out of the gate" on someone's statements by being less than courteous and not at all kind,... that is a result of reading what they write and finding something either lacking or "in addition" to that which would be required for this "acceptance" to be present from the outset and therefore an element of the content has negated the acceptance so required for civil discourse.
 
In such an instance I (as the reader and communicator) owe nothing to the other (originator) as any potential for good communication has since been dashed by this other.
 
Many consider this to be rude and (in some vague way) "improper conduct" - and, yet - people naturally avoid confrontation and therefore shy away from the truth allowed by the people who would take advantage of this innane social more for communication.
 
Acceptance is about allowance on both sides for the intelligence and veracity of the other... if this tenet is violated from the outset, then that has ended and would not be re-established during that interchange.
 
Acceptance is essential in the conduct of a discourse that has more meaning than the generic nicities required through casual and baselessly banal common conversation.

 
I would agree with you for the most part, like Mr. Darcy said in Pride and Prejudice, "My good opinion, once lost, is lost forever".

I have had occassion to change my mind in either direction as life has necessitated. People can have the occasional bad day, or bad year. Although in romance I mostly have written people off that have earned my bad opinion, I will not say it is impossible to restore it, just extremely difficult.

quote:

Julianna - a more freaking inciteful OP than I have seen here in a long time

 
Thank you for the compliment, and I am glad some have seemingly got something out of it.



< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 11/9/2006 8:48:27 AM >


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