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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The Republican Party has no more of a claim to working for and supporting those ideals than the Democrats, losttreasure.  Politicians on both sides of the aisle work for and support those ideals--that is, except for the ones who have sold their vote to the highest bidder.

The Republican Party lost this election because most voters think their policies have failed.  If Republicans take this as a signal that they should go back to their roots, then fair enough, that's reasonable; but it's really just an admission that the Republican Party has to change direction.  You didn't find too many Republicans admitting anything of the kind before yesterday.  There were some disgruntled palaeoconservatives, but mostly they were a laughingstock.  All we heard from Republicans in power was that we had to stay the course, be firm, all that bullshit...

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Back in the 1960s the Democratic party stood for things like clean food, clean water, the environment, affirmative action, equal rights, pro choice, an end to the war in Vietnam.

As the Republican party has drifted further and further from any objective reality over the years, from Watergate and Star Wars and Contract with America and fiscal idiocy, and the current fiasco in Iraq, the Democratic party has moved from a party with clarity of vision and actual goals in sight to one that has promoted itself as the alternative to the Republicans.

The results were predictable.  The Republican could attract people who feared the Communists, the Terrorists, the Democrats, the Kill Baby people, biological determinism based on chromosomes, Flag Burners, Euphoriphobics, etc., and the Democrats were never able to do much more than say "We are not them."  John Kerry was a perfect example of one of these.  Al Gore when he was running was also.  Too deathly afraid to stand up for a principle that could be counted on, I never liked either of them.  I voted for Kerry because the principles that Monkeyboy stood for frightened the living bejeezus out of me.

After Al Gore stopped running for president he stood up, said what he thought, was not afraid to have tomatoes thrown at him, and I found a whole new respect for his vision.  He runs again I may just vote for him.

Pentacostal millenialists trying to speed us to the end of days are probably here to stay.  They have an agenda.  They all march to the same drummer.  The are a strongly united voting public.  They are easily led by the nose by corrupt politicians like DeLay and Monkeyboy who play on their emotions to gain their votes.

I hope the Democratic party takes the last 6 years as a wake up call to find their own guiding principles, because playing the game of defense plays right in to the millenialist's game plan.

Regardless, I am probably going to stay Democrat so I can vote in the primaries, and then vote Green in the elections.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I think many people were going to the polls, not necessarily to vote someone "in" but to vote the other person "out".  And with the way things have been going, that's not such a bad plan.  Change can be good, if it doesn't turn into gridlock.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am soooooo glad as his sub he is not some stuffy conservative with no sense of humor... damn he makes me laugh.... If others do not want to debate him because he is not a stuffed shirt, their loss

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure


To be quite honest, Sinergy, I cannot see having an adult conversation with a grown man who insists on using an immature moniker such as "monkeyboy" for any person, let alone the President of our country. 

You have every right to dislike the man, use your one vote to help remove him from office, and to encourage others to do so, as well.  However, your efforts to deride him with the equivalent of the school boy "Stinky" do nothing but detract from any intelligent remarks you are trying to make.

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ORIGINAL: justheather

My highly over-simplified take on it is this:
Many many Republican leaders lost their jobs last night, not because they are "complacent, corrupt or incompetent", but because of their affiliation and blind allegiance to one man.
Basically, Bush won the election in 2004 through a highly effective campaign of fear and the mobilization of single-issue voters (ie stem cell research, gay marriage). Enough people got fed up enough with him in the past two years to become mobilized tp vote away his control over Congress and the House based on a single issue: Being Fed Up With George Bush. Let there be no mistake that this election was a message for our President.
And Rick Santorum, who as we all know, is a total homophobic moronic d*ckhead.

Of course, let's not forget Julia, that the Democrats will have more than ample opportunity to show what hyporcrites they are capable of being over the next couple of years.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I think that on the larger issues most Americans swing left of center. Most Americans are pro-choice, worried about global warming, are against unnecessary wars,
Will you please tell me what war, since the revolution, the U.S. has been in that you would classify as a necessary war.
thompson
 

and massive government spending that is being put on a charge card that will be billed to their children. Most Americans support stem cell research, alternatives to fossil fuels, care about emergency preparedness and want to build are infrastructure.


I do think that the republicans lost this race more than democrats won it because of all the mistakes they have made that have been exemplified in Iraq, corruption scandals, and lack of caring about the middle class. The republicans dug a huge hole that I do not know that the democrats can fill in to be honest with you. I believe that if the democrats run to the Right and do not fix these problems and then seek republican votes they will lose again.

The problem is that republicans run toward a religious right whackjob base that seeks to bring about the end of days so that their bibical prophecy will be played out. These people are the snake handlers of this country and they are the only people that vote republican that can be counted on.. they control the conservative agenda.. Americans are just learning about these people, and to be honest, if the republicans do not distance themselves from the Evangelicals they will lose more elections.

The democrats are right of me, I voted Green where ever I thought it was best on my ticket, which was more than half the races. If I thought voting for the Republican challenger to Diane Feinstien would have ousted her I would have.. since that was not the case I voted for the Green. I am not a democrat, but I have to say, getting rid of republicans was like giving America an enema and flushing the toilet... what a relief

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Hmmmm, I do not find you mature, I find you snarky.

But that is just my opinion...

You did not have to address his post at all if you thought it beneath you, but seeing as you did just to insult him shows YOUR character and maturity level. It is my personal opinion that you cannot debate his points, so you attacked him, if that is what passes for maturity where you are from, I would rather never grow up.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure


To be quite honest, Sinergy, I cannot see having an adult conversation with a grown man who insists on using an immature moniker such as "monkeyboy" for any person, let alone the President of our country. 

You have every right to dislike the man, use your one vote to help remove him from office, and to encourage others to do so, as well.  However, your efforts to deride him with the equivalent of the school boy "Stinky" do nothing but detract from any intelligent remarks you are trying to make.

That is fine.

I dont have any emotional involvement in whether you listen to, understand, agree with, disagree with, or vilify anything I have to say about Monkeyboy.

Although I imagine I may have harsher nicknames for him when he is doing time in the Big House married to Bubba.

About the only emotional attachment I might have to that jackass would be to send Bubba a box of condoms with pleasure ridges for "her" pleasure.  I am not a true sadist.

Enjoy your evening,

Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The Republican Party has no more of a claim to working for and supporting those ideals than the Democrats, losttreasure.  Politicians on both sides of the aisle work for and support those ideals--that is, except for the ones who have sold their vote to the highest bidder.

The Republican Party lost this election because most voters think their policies have failed.  If Republicans take this as a signal that they should go back to their roots, then fair enough, that's reasonable; but it's really just an admission that the Republican Party has to change direction.  You didn't find too many Republicans admitting anything of the kind before yesterday.  There were some disgruntled palaeoconservatives, but mostly they were a laughingstock.  All we heard from Republicans in power was that we had to stay the course, be firm, all that bullshit...

If your first paragraph is valid, then it would seem to me that your statement, "The Republican Party lost this election because most voters think their policies have failed" is incorrect.  It should read, "The Republican Party lost this election because most voters think their Politician failed to work for and support their ideas."

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'd say you and julia are indeed a good fit.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

I'd say you and julia are indeed a good fit.

FirmKY