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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:50:27 PM   
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It doesn't matter which poll I put up.

if you are a Bush lover....you are going to dismiss it.

But if its a FOX NEWS viewer poll...i'm sure you would find it "factual".





Challange compare your postings of partisan blog sourced articles to my own agreement with any poll provided by FOX.

In debate terms CITE Challange

You made the accusation now prove it.


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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:51:46 PM   
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I think Bush should be given a parade and hailed as a hero!!!!



Good call.

They still have necktie parades in Texas, right?

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:54:25 PM   
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I think Bush should be given a parade and hailed as a hero!!!!



Good call.

They still have necktie parades in Texas, right?

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Only for stealing cattle. Hmm, maybe that's been done away with too......and the Prez is well liked down here, so no can do.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:56:12 PM   
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HMMMMMMM I wonder might the results be a tiny little eeeency bit scewed by the fact that the poll was linked by an Impeach Bush blog with the Dean model of internet politics being as advanced as it is???????


Indeed.  So I went to Zogby, however they have only polled impeachment opinions for illegal wiretapping (in January).  I did some Googling though:

52% agree to impeach Bush if found guilty of illegal wire tapping (Jan, 2006)
http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2


From AfterDowningStreet (After Downing Street is a nonpartisan coalition working to expose the lies that launched the war and to hold accountable its architects, including through censure and impeachment.)

An interesting PDF which discusses public opinion:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/downloads/pollingonepage.pdf

A summary chart of various polls taken in 2005 and 2006:
http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-polls

Newsweek poll conducted last month shows 47% of Democrats want impeachment and 44% do not.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14897


This site, PollingReport.com , lists various polls taken recently by AP, LA Times, CNN, Fox News, Newsweek, USA Today/Gallup, ABC News, Time, CBS/NY Times, Harris Poll, Pew Research Center, Zogby.  Very interesting!  CNN reports in Aug/Sept that 30% favored impeachment while 69% did not:
http://www.pollingreport.com/bush.htm

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:57:53 PM   
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Only for stealing cattle. Hmm, maybe that's been done away with too......and the Prez is well liked down here, so no can do.


Oh...you mean the FAKE cowboy from Kennebunkport, Maine who went to YALE who POSES as a "cowboy"?

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:58:17 PM   
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*waves to the pretty lady*

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:59:14 PM   
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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:59:38 PM   
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One thing that is confusing - Congress passed the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq.  Congress gets their own intelligence reports from the CIA, DIA, NSC, etc. in which to make their decisions.

If they impeach Bush, wouldn't a whole bunch of the members of Congress (in both parties) have to be impeached as well?

Before you say, "Bush gave them faulty intelligence" - isn't it their responsibility to review and verify it before making decisions?

You can vilify Bush all you want - some of you just really hate him, but he couldn't invade Iraq all by his lonesome.  On the otherhand, if you do think Bush was able to hoodwink all of Congress, then how can he be as dumb as alot of people are saying he is?

I haven't seen any proof that he actually broke any laws in regards to Iraq (and Internet Blogs don't count) - besides, even Bush is innocent until proven guilty (you can't complain about keeping civil rights without extending them to Bush as well)

Quite a conundrum, a quandry, a pickle even   ;-P


I hate Post #20, #40, etc. - always gets lost in the shuffle

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 12:59:46 PM   
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If Bush was impeached wouldnt that make Cheney President. Is that something we really want to consider?

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:04:53 PM   
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Only for stealing cattle. Hmm, maybe that's been done away with too......and the Prez is well liked down here, so no can do.


Oh...you mean the FAKE cowboy from Kennebunkport, Maine who went to YALE who POSES as a "cowboy"?


"Fake"?...... not really, he moved to Texas when he was 2 years old, and did not go back north until he 15 or 16, I think. He's spent most of his life here, and most consider him a "genuine" Texan, like him or not.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:06:14 PM   
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One thing that is confusing - Congress passed the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq.  Congress gets their own intelligence reports from the CIA, DIA, NSC, etc. in which to make their decisions.

If they impeach Bush, wouldn't a whole bunch of the members of Congress (in both parties) have to be impeached as well?

Before you say, "Bush gave them faulty intelligence" - isn't it their responsibility to review and verify it before making decisions?

You can vilify Bush all you want - some of you just really hate him, but he couldn't invade Iraq all by his lonesome.  On the otherhand, if you do think Bush was able to hoodwink all of Congress, then how can he be as dumb as alot of people are saying he is?

I haven't seen any proof that he actually broke any laws in regards to Iraq (and Internet Blogs don't count) - besides, even Bush is innocent until proven guilty (you can't complain about keeping civil rights without extending them to Bush as well)

Quite a conundrum, a quandry, a pickle even   ;-P


I hate Post #20, #40, etc. - always gets lost in the shuffle


LOL TGD, I hear you. Good points, much of which I haven't thought of.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:09:38 PM   
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One thing that is confusing - Congress passed the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq.  Congress gets their own intelligence reports from the CIA, DIA, NSC, etc. in which to make their decisions.



Why is this confusing?  Both houses of Congress were controlled by the Republican Party and these houses are on record as working the least number of days, passing the fewest number of laws, overseeing the smallest number of overseeable things, etc.

Bush' lackeys manage the organizations which provide reports by which Congress makes it's decisions.  Provide Congress faulty reports, Congress makes faulty decisions.  You have heard the term "Garbage In, Garbage Out," right?

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If they impeach Bush, wouldn't a whole bunch of the members of Congress (in both parties) have to be impeached as well?



You would have to prove they intended to violate the law.

Unfortunately, there is all sorts of evidence which suggest that Bush et al deliberately doctored evidence and used it to promote his war.  That goes to
intent.

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Before you say, "Bush gave them faulty intelligence" - isn't it their responsibility to review and verify it before making decisions?



True, and since the Republicans controlled congress and could do what they wanted to, then I agree they might be equally culpable for the war crimes.

But, as a Congressman being given a classified report about BLAH from the CIA, one does not have the staff, mission, or connections to go back and verify it.  That is the job of the CIA, to investigate.  The job of Congress is to take the information presented by the investigators and make decisions accordingly.

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You can vilify Bush all you want - some of you just really hate him, but he couldn't invade Iraq all by his lonesome.  On the otherhand, if you do think Bush was able to hoodwink all of Congress, then how can he be as dumb as alot of people are saying he is?



Have you bothered to read anything about the events leading up to the run up to war in Iraq?

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I haven't seen any proof that he actually broke any laws in regards to Iraq (and Internet Blogs don't count) - besides, even Bush is innocent until proven guilty (you can't complain about keeping civil rights without extending them to Bush as well)



This is true.  I suspect since a large amount of it was classified, you probably will not ever see conclusive proof where he broke laws in regards to Iraq.

I would suggest a worthwhile starting point would be to go to Rolling Stone's web site and search for articles about Iraq.  While you may consider it a liberal rag, one of the guiding principles behind that magazine was an editorial decision when it started to not change anything written and submitted to be published.

I imagine that on doing a search on the internet you will find thousands of sites (some even reputable) which talk about items such as "yellow cake," "Niger," "Aluminum Tubing," "refining nuclear weapons," "Weapons of Mass Destruction," "Gassing the kurds," "Lie detector AND Iraqi source," etc.  Additionally, some of the sites you find will cross-reference other sites and provide you with more information.

Additionally, I would suggest you go back and review the reasons Bush gave for the run up to war, our continued presence for the war over the years, etc., and notice how these change over time as each one is proven false.

Enjoy your path to knowledge.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:10:09 PM   
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Dumbya "im afraid of Horses" Bush is about as genuine "Texan" as Dick (the dick) Cheney when he said that "Saddam has nuclear weapons".

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:11:07 PM   
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I have no doubt that many polls show a slim majority of folks that want to impeach Bush under some circumstances. I distrust polls more than I disrust studies because the ignorance factor of the respondents is never quatified. (Goes for all polls I have seen in the media)
How many folks do we all know on all sides of an issue who have one opinion or the other on this issue but couldn't articulate why?
Now based on that how much trust can you put into a poll being the right answer even if you find the poll to be irreproachable as to bias inflicted by the questions and completely scientific in selection of cross section.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:14:31 PM   
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I just found that PollingReport to really be quite a site, particularly since it lists so many polls from so many sources.  If someone does want to look up polled information, that's the place to go - not some slanted blog, in either direction.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:17:10 PM   
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Dumbya "im afraid of Horses" Bush is about as genuine "Texan" as Dick (the dick) Cheney when he said that "Saddam has nuclear weapons".


A Massachusettsian deciding who is a real Texan.  That will fly about as well as Pres Bill saying "I did not have sex with that woman!"

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:17:48 PM   
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I just found that PollingReport to really be quite a site, particularly since it lists so many polls from so many sources.  If someone does want to look up polled information, that's the place to go - not some slanted blog, in either direction.


Which was actually my original point to sissifyoserve. Except I didn't provide any other source to look at.

And I concure if you are sold on Polls by all means at least consider the bias potential of your source before posting it as something seriously to be considered.


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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:20:33 PM   
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Im glad Bill got a little...better than all the closetted homo's in the GOP.

What is the ignorant thing about most Bush lovers is the fact that Bill did MUCH WORSE than.."have sex
with that woman" in passing Bush SR.'s Wet-dream NAFTA/GATT.

But..Bush signed onto UNESCO.....something even Billy Boy wouldn't even touch so
its goes to show you that left vs. right really don't mean shit when BOTH
are out to destroy this country for globalist rule.

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:22:21 PM   
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How to BRAINWASH...GOP style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdlGd4mMfE

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RE: 86% say Bush should be Impeached - 11/10/2006 1:22:49 PM   
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I just found that PollingReport to really be quite a site, particularly since it lists so many polls from so many sources.  If someone does want to look up polled information, that's the place to go - not some slanted blog, in either direction.


Which was actually my original point to sissifyoserve. Except I didn't provide any other source to look at.

I know, that's why I hitched onto your post and agreed with you :)

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And I concure if you are sold on Polls by all means at least consider the bias potential of your source before posting it as something seriously to be considered.


I find most people only use polls when they support their own argument or opinion.  Otherwise the polls don't seem to have as much credibility.  I'm speaking in general here, not necessarily just about the OP.  But in this case, where the thread was based on a poll, it seemed logical to show a grand list of all other polls, too!

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