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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 6:41:06 AM   
DiannaVesta


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As I have defended many times, Female Supremacy isn’t so much about gender and all females being superior. There are many elements to it and one of them is fantasy because as with everything else the sex industry has its claws into it. Let’s face it if there is a way to turn something into a sexual fetish it’s going to happen. I also truly believe that men are instinctually drawn to female domination on a much deeper level then they realize. If you really think about it and you’re honest with yourself the sensation you experience when you submit to a woman are unlike any of your other sexual experiences. It’s as if you are uncontrollably drawn to them like a moth to a flame. You know how hot it is but you can’t stay away. It invokes conflicting feelings within you & the truth is that you fear them. I am not speaking for all men but those who understand this know exactly what I’m talking about.
  In my perfect world women would have a different status then what they have had through the ages. I honestly feel the world would be a much different place. As much as you believe there is equality there never really is because the patriarch still fights for top position. That’s a fact and this isn’t going to change any time soon. I would be disillusioned to think that all women are superior but I do feel that the essence of the feminine is far more powerful then most can see.
  I don’t agree with many things I see around me in the world. Like you I have a need & desire to fulfill part of who I am. Maybe I was born this way, naturally dominant or it developed over time. I only know that I must create my own reality and live my life the way that suits me even if it means ridicule from others. This path is not only sexual but spiritual and I have been on this journey for a very long time. Although I have taken many detours and “trips” I always get back on course.
  The thing about female domination that has the greatest impact on me is the intensity of love and passion I have experienced. The dynamic can only be found where I am superior in the relationship. This isn’t about ego but a natural process where my inner most essence is revealed. It is a type of union where I project and am received. It’s a very peaceful space. There are no power struggles and no dramas. It’s primal in nature and I believe it is how the world should be. There are qualities in a woman that nurture like no other, IF she is permitted to be her true feminine self. Her authority is penetrating without the use of physical force.


  Do I feel that all men are inferior? Certainly not. I will admit that I have the most respect for the man that walks his own path and is able to see & respect the divine feminine. He is strong enough to relinquish ego and control in order to experience Her. He honors Her and in doing this he empowers Her. I respect the man that can step out of the everyday world and give a dominant Goddess the power she seeks because without him She doesn’t exist.
  The word Female Supremacy invokes deep & conflicting emotions. It’s like BDSM. Some people will read it and think “blood and guts”, perverted and dark, devil worshippers, the worse possible things. Others will be ok with it even if they aren’t into it and some people will perk right up because to them it means a good time. Too many people cross reference the word with negative past examples when really all supremacy means is domination, authority, dominance, power, etc. Words you already use to lighten the impact of the word supremacy. Rather then changing the word why not learn to understand the meaning?


  None of you have ever seen me take a hardcore stance on this where I feel we should destroy men or make them second class citizens. I don’t spit out words like “useless pig” unless its part of the game we play to enhance our experience. Female Supremacy, to me about a natural order where a woman teaches a man to love, nurtures him and in turn he honors and protects her. When a man serves a dominant woman she becomes the conduit and his connect to the Divine Feminine that exists in all of life. The ritual requires supremacy, the stage is set and the connection is made. This is why you long to return. No matter how hard to try to forget about it you never do.
  Sorry if this is rambling on. The phone has rung a bunch of times already. I’ve got dogs barking, slaves scampering and still a long day ahead.
  I hope I have shed some light on this darkness.   Love Dianna    


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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 6:55:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		waht do you say about scientist who proved women are in more way superior to men as being smarter using more of their brains, enduring pain better, having more stamina, bodies being better built to handle stress, getting less illmess, better memory etc and taking over areas like grad school and in politics and work force.  Sexually emotionally and spirutually they aer not even comparable to us. What makes a person better morally or ethically is a different story.
What I fear is their sexuality the most.  We are ruled by female sexuality all our lives if you aint gay. From the begining of our lives and until we die no man ever fully commands a woman.  We are pussy-whipped and we know it". 
  

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 8:25:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dianna --

You've always offered brilliant subject matter on this topic.  It seems that it's everyone else who mucks it up for you!  While you may not view it as "all females being superior", I run into other women, and more men than I care to count, who think it otherwise.  It's not *me* they view as superior, it's the entire clan of women worldwide.  I just don't buy into that version of FemSup, and thus, I don't drink the KoolAid.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 8:46:54 AM   
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You've always offered brilliant subject matter on this topic.  It seems that it's everyone else who mucks it up for you!  While you may not view it as "all females being superior", I run into other women, and more men than I care to count, who think it otherwise.  It's not *me* they view as superior, it's the entire clan of women worldwide.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 10:13:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ugh so much debate of ethics and why people dislike Female supremacy unless it turns into a murder cult like the one in the world according to Grap I don’t think female supremacy is any kind of threat to society.

I personal would love to hear more about keeping men in horse pens, I don’t care about weather its right or wrong the idea of a Domme that enjoys Female supremacy turns me on.    

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 10:36:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I could say how I personally don’t believe one group of people is superior in all things but that would ruin the fun of the idea Female supremacy for me.
No naïve men are being non consensually lead or brainwashed into an Amazonian slave cult. (if any one has heard other wise please let me know!)

I liked Dianna’s blog article and I am sure there’s a lot of Sub men that did but don’t want to post here and look like they are on the “wrong side”

To me Female supremacy Feeds into my submissive fantasies I don’t think its right for everyone. Since my fantasies are sexual I tend to ignore right or wrong unless it’s something being lived out in reality.

I think people are making too big a deal over the impact they believe female supremacy has over real life or even their own lives. I don’t worry about the Gor people legalizing slave markets anytime soon.

The other factor is who is being subjected in both Gor and Female supremacy people that have a need to be subjected. In most real world supremacy the victims of it don’t sign up for or it or seek it out.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 1:04:14 PM   
DiannaVesta


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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Dianna --

You've always offered brilliant subject matter on this topic.  It seems that it's everyone else who mucks it up for you!  While you may not view it as "all females being superior", I run into other women, and more men than I care to count, who think it otherwise.  It's not *me* they view as superior, it's the entire clan of women worldwide.  I just don't buy into that version of FemSup, and thus, I don't drink the KoolAid.


Thank you. Yes I understand that there are people who feel their way is the only way. It's like some religions where they feel the world will be damned if everyone doesn't convert to their system.

Thankfully the world has many people and for the most part we are allowed free thought.


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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 1:07:29 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yanno...if you find that readers constantly misunderstand what you're saying, one of the first things you have to ask yourself is whether you're expressing yourself in a misleading way.

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

You've always offered brilliant subject matter on this topic.  It seems that it's everyone else who mucks it up for you!  While you may not view it as "all females being superior", I run into other women, and more men than I care to count, who think it otherwise.  It's not *me* they view as superior, it's the entire clan of women worldwide.


Uhhh, what are you talking about?  I don't claim supremacy!

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 2:25:36 PM   
DiannaVesta


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I guess I could say how I personally don’t believe one group of people is superior in all things but that would ruin the fun of the idea Female supremacy for me.
No naïve men are being non consensually lead or brainwashed into an Amazonian slave cult. (if any one has heard other wise please let me know!)

I liked Dianna’s blog article and I am sure there’s a lot of Sub men that did but don’t want to post here and look like they are on the “wrong side”

To me Female supremacy Feeds into my submissive fantasies I don’t think its right for everyone. Since my fantasies are sexual I tend to ignore right or wrong unless it’s something being lived out in reality.

I think people are making too big a deal over the impact they believe female supremacy has over real life or even their own lives. I don’t worry about the Gor people legalizing slave markets anytime soon.

The other factor is who is being subjected in both Gor and Female supremacy people that have a need to be subjected. In most real world supremacy the victims of it don’t sign up for or it or seek it out.

It takes two to tango here   




Exactly. Whatever makes your boat float!


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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 2:32:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yanno...if you find that readers constantly misunderstand what you're saying, one of the first things you have to ask yourself is whether you're expressing yourself in a misleading way.


The second thing you have to ask yourself is whether everyone has a powerful subconscious agenda to misunderstand you.  Possibly because they have been indoctrinated all their lives, every day and in every way, to believe that men are dominant over women due to some sort of superiority granted them by nature.

No one escapes the influence of the culture in which he/she was raised without conscious effort.  Over and over in these threads, I see people declaring that female supremacy is "scary", "bad", "wrong", etc..  Yet not once has one single person been able to connect the notion of female supremacy to actual, documented harm that has ever been done to a non-consenting person.

When I want to declare that male supremacy is "scary", I can connect the patriarchal cultures of this planet to billions of lives lost, rapes, enslavement, and mutilation done to non-consenting women and girl children.

When I want to declare that white supremacy is "scary", I can look to the history of slavery and the Holocaust.

When I want to declare that any given religion's view of its own supremacy is scary, I have only to look at the way they have treated people of other religious faiths.  Ditto with people who believe they belong to some particular "race".

But, exactly what harm has any traditionally matriarchal society done to ANYONE lately?  And exactly what harm has any female supremacist organization done, to anyone who wasn't turned on by it?

I am sorry if people find the femme-supreme masturbatory material offered on the internet "offensive", but I think that at some point you really have to ask yourself why, if you are offended by someone else's sexual practices or lifestyle, you cannot just leave them alone.

Female supremacy is not scary.  What's scary is how terrified everyone is of female supremacy.  And personally, after 10,000 years of partriarchal horseshit, I think it's about time that the human race learned to switch.

--M

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 3:31:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think this is actually a very telling example of the difference between you and me.  If someone misunderstands me, my first assumption is that I didn't explain myself clearly.  If someone misunderstands you, your first assumption appears to be that the other person has been corrupted by patriarchal society.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yanno...if you find that readers constantly misunderstand what you're saying, one of the first things you have to ask yourself is whether you're expressing yourself in a misleading way.


The second thing you have to ask yourself is whether everyone has a powerful subconscious agenda to misunderstand you.  Possibly because they have been indoctrinated all their lives, every day and in every way, to believe that men are dominant over women due to some sort of superiority granted them by nature.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 3:58:07 PM   
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I think this is actually a very telling example of the difference between you and me. 


There are a number of differences between you and me.  One of them is that I have nothing against you personally, and cannot be bothered to demonize you personally; I'm actually capable of discussing issues without getting personal with you.

Another is that I have made a professional living as a writer in the past, so I have no doubts or false insecurities about my communication skills.

A third is that I actually have a sense of humor and irony about myself and others, which in you seems to have entirely atrophied.

Other than that, and the whole Y chromosome thing, I'm sure we have a lot in common.  *rolls her eyes*

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 4:01:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're right; I was imprecise.  It was a telling example of AN IMPORTANT difference between you and me.

As for the rest, well, it has nothing to do with anything I said, so I'll leave it alone.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 4:07:43 PM   
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As for the rest, well, it has nothing to do with anything I said, so I'll leave it alone.


The only important difference between you and me, dear, is that you put words in other people's mouths and then try to slap them for mumbling.

I am more than capable of making myself understood, and of using quite precise language.  If I say indoctrinated--I mean indoctrinated.  If I mean "corrupted", I'll use the word my own self, thanks.

As to the rest--you really need to get tf over whatever petty little grievance you think you have with me.  I haven't ever done anything to you.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 4:15:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know, this will be the last thing I say, but it has to be said.  YOU were responding to ME.  I wasn't talking to you at all.  I was commenting on MisPandora's observation that people seem to keep misunderstanding DiannaVesta.  But you can't let a male issue a contradictory opinion without painting him as a spokesman of oppression or speculating about his unspoken personal agenda.

Maybe it's just the elephants that piss you off?

Fire away (since I know you're going to respond), I won't even bother reading anymore.

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As to the rest--you really need to get tf over whatever petty little grievance you think you have with me.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 4:24:57 PM   
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You know, this will be the last thing I say, but it has to be said.  YOU were responding to ME. 


No, actually, I wasn't.  Contrary to what YOU seem to believe, I don't give a rat's ass about YOU.  What I was responding to were YOUR thoughts and ideas.  YOU were posting in a thread to the MISTRESS forum, and since I am a MISTRESS, I addressed the concept presented.

If YOU ever feel like getting the hell over YOURSELF and discussing ideas and issues, rather than YOUR elephantine ego, please let ME know.  Until then, I'LLbe glad this was "the last thing" YOU'RE going to say.

Sorry for the caps, but apparently this is how YOU view YOURself and YOUR relationship to the world, so I thought using the style might make my posts easier for YOU to understand. 

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/17/2006 5:50:52 PM   
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You know, this will be the last thing I say, but it has to be said.  YOU were responding to ME.  I wasn't talking to you at all.  I was commenting on MisPandora's observation that people seem to keep misunderstanding DiannaVesta.  But you can't let a male issue a contradictory opinion without painting him as a spokesman of oppression or speculating about his unspoken personal agenda.


You misunderstood my post!  I wasn't saying that folks misunderstand Dianna at all, and my apologies to her that someone, somehow, extrapolated that out of what was said. 

My post simply said that regardless of women who sensibly portray their notions of female supremacy as being THEM-centric and not the entire class of women in the world, there are always others (men and women) who portray it otherwise (as demonstrated by a number of gentlemen already in this thread.) 

I'd appreciate you not twisting my posts to suit your agenda, thank you kindly.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/18/2006 12:12:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm definately staying 100 miles away from any Valerie Solanas wanna-be man hating female supremacists
or in fact...any woman who says that her birth chosen gender (Something we have no choice over) is superior
and therefore should "rule the world".

I say baloney...pure baloney.

But i'm all for a woman being dominant in a relationship...and having equality at all levels of society.








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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/18/2006 12:37:14 PM   
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Female supremacy is not scary. What's scary is how terrified everyone is of female supremacy. And personally, after 10,000 years of partriarchal horseshit, I think it's about time that the human race learned to switch.

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Replacing Patriarchy with Matriarchy is just one more polarity to DIVIDE people...period.

Untill the whole....men vs women.....women versus men garbage ends....NOTHING will change.

Let's say women did rule society and declare men as "secondary"....you mean to tell me there wouldn't be
viscious resistance? I really doubt most males would tolerate it ...actually.

Society would fall apart.

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RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy - 11/18/2006 1:20:41 PM   
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waht do you say about scientist who proved women are in more way superior to men as being smarter using more of their brains, enduring pain better, having more stamina, bodies being better built to handle stress, getting less illmess, better memory etc and taking over areas like grad school and in politics and work force. Sexually emotionally and spirutually they aer not even comparable to us. What makes a person better morally or ethically is a different story.
What I fear is their sexuality the most. We are ruled by female sexuality all our lives if you aint gay. From the begining of our lives and until we die no man ever fully commands a woman. We are pussy-whipped and we know it".




Funny...because OTHER scientists say the same thing about males being genetically dominant? But i don't believe either.

Both males and females have strengths and weaknesses...pluses and minuses.

"Sexually, emotionally and spiritually superior"?

No...totally wrong. Just different.

Why fear a womans sexuality? It should be embraced. Just as male sexuality should be appreciated as gifts from
the universe. I'm not ruled by female sexuality....most of the time..they won't give me the time of day...so....can't agree with you there either.


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