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Skier -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 8:05:54 AM)

 I think D.V. nailed it in her last post.

Folks, this is a FANTASY site. Some people like to crossdress and others like to  ponder about female supremacy or  male domination (e.g. Gorean). It's a place that, by intention, is incredibly politically incorrect.

Fantasy. sheesh

Take a deep breath. Relax. Democracy is not in peril (at least not from us).








undergroundsea -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 8:22:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
Go to the Gor boards thats what they believe in and that females are "beasts", animals to be used and in service to the males. If the Gorean female is a beast does that make the Masters into beastiality? Better yet, I'd rather not know. I am so thankful I live on the planet Earth.


To disagree with female supremacy is not to advocate Gor. One can reject both, and there are other possibilities yet. For instance, I enjoy female supremacy at a kink level but do not agree with it with respect to society at large.

I have had little regard for Gor. If anything, female supremacy tends to make me more tolerant of Gor in principle. If persons who enjoy female supremacy can create their existence consistent with their beliefs then the same can be said of male supremacy.

My little regard for Gor then stems from the condescending attitudes of Goreans I have seen towards male subs and those outside Gor. That is, it becomes related more to how the advocates of this principle respond to those who feel differently than the principle itself. I expect attitudes of those female supremacy enthusiasts who act similiar in spirit to the condescending Goreans will in general draw a similar response.

You seem to be offended by how Gor regards women to be of lower status. Is it not reasonable that men who do not subscribe to submission or female supremacy will feel similarly about female supremacy to the extent it diminishes men as an entity?

Cheers,

Sea



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 8:44:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sissypinky

-mental retardation affects more boys



That's because the standard for male intelligence is so much higher.

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-girls develop speech faster than boys



No arguing that point!!!!

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-more men are colorblind



And did you see his drapes????? 

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-more men suffer from hairloss than women
-more men attempt and commit suicide



Hell, it's us that has to deal with them.

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-more men go insane



Women are born that way, obviously.

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-women have more infection fighting Tcell and stronger immune systems
-more men die from pneumnia and influenza than women
-women live longer
-more men die from cancer, stroke, diabetes, heart attacks and accidents than women
-by100 years old women outnumber men eight to one



All of those are because of our continuing battle against women's cooties.

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-have better communication skills



And if you didn't understand that, I'm not about to explain it to you.

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-women are more flexible and have greateer endurance



Thank God!  Otherwise, Jenna Jameson would be a man, and then pornos would just suck.

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-men listen with only one side women listen with both sides of brain



Men usually listen with their ears.

Now, that list, while long, was repetitive and said nothing really.  It made two points - women generally live longer and communicate better. 

Men, on the other hand, are physically stronger and can pee standing up.

And that is as seriously as I can take that post.

Yours,


benji



DiannaVesta -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 8:57:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Men, on the other hand, are physically stronger and can pee standing up.

benji


Oh standing up to pee is quite and accomplishment!



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 9:02:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Oh standing up to pee is quite and accomplishment!



But not so much as peeing to stand up.

Yours,


benji



Lashra -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 9:02:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea


You seem to be offended by how Gor regards women to be of lower status. Is it not reasonable that men who do not subscribe to submission or female supremacy will feel similarly about female supremacy to the extent it diminishes men as an entity?

Cheers,

Sea

Yes I am offended by women being treated as a lower status citizens. I am offended by men being treated as lower status citizens. I find it as distasteful and as ugly as racism or gay bashing. I do not believe in the supremacy of either gender. As far as I am concerned both genders should have the same equal rights and freedoms.

I have a male sub and I consider him to be my equal even though I am his Mistress. Now I know alot of people would disagree with that. But that truth of the matter is this, I do not care, nor does he of what others think of us. Why? Because this is our lives and we live them the way we see fit.

If others wish to believe that wo/men are nothing but second class citizens that is their business as long as they do not try to preach it or push it off onto us. This is my opinion and I am entitled to it and I will not change it.

~Lashra



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 9:07:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I have a male sub and I consider him to be my equal even though I am his Mistress. Now I know alot of people would disagree with that. But that truth of the matter is this, I do not care, nor does he of what others think of us. Why? Because this is our lives and we live them the way we see fit.



While I absolutely agree with your point of view, I think there is also a middle ground of "I'm superiour to my sub because I am me and he is he."  This does not imply that all men or all women are inferiour/superiour/equal/anything, all it says is that I'm Dominant, therefore more important than you.

And that one I can sign up for anytime.

Yours,


benji



Lordandmaster -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 10:29:35 AM)

You missed the bitter debates on the Gorean board that raged last year.  They were about just this issue.  So I think you're going just a bit too far by calling people "sexist hypocrites."

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

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but when "supremacy" (Im better than you and you are scum) becomes an entire lifestyle (For either gender)

I think its wrong.


Please, go explain this to John Norman.

And to his followers, the people who enjoy the Gorean Lifestyle.  You know where to find them, on this site and elsewhere.

Until you do this?  You and EVERYONE on this site who whinges on about the Evils of Female Supremacy can characterize yourselves as nothing more that sexist hypocrites.



mnottertail -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 10:31:48 AM)

So are you saying this is a different flavor of  'Clone Wars' all over again?

Confusedly,
Yogi Berra



LRODANDMASTER -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 1:19:36 PM)

DO'NT SWEAT IT, DEM GORIANS DONT SPELL TO WELL EITHER.

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

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Edited to add: Laughing...I just noticed...I guess they spell it "Neitzsche" in your edition?


I always forget that spelling rule.  "I before E, especially after Kierkegaard"...[:)]

(Actually the transposition of those two letters is one of my most common spelling errors.  Given the constant vigilance of the forum's Spelling Police, I'm surprised you haven't caught it in some other post.)



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 1:52:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Edited to add: Laughing...I just noticed...I guess they spell it "Neitzsche" in your edition?
I thought that was beneath you for one.   Secondly, this is simply a kink between consenting adults in different roles; you don't like, you simply don't play.   M



daiseytheone -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 2:04:53 PM)

These guys really do sound bitter, don't they realize what they sound like?



LaTigresse -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 2:08:07 PM)

They're just askeered and being snarky is the result.[;)]



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 2:38:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You missed the bitter debates on the Gorean board that raged last year.  They were about just this issue.  So I think you're going just a bit too far by calling people "sexist hypocrites."


I could use "clueless idiot", if you prefer.  Despite the cavil, the general irony still stands:  we have one thread on this forum at present about female supremacy, and an entire forum about male supremacy.  Why is male supremacy so incredibly ok that it deserves an entire forum, but female supremacy so incredibly NOT ok that it needs to be rudely and abrasively shouted down if someone even mentions the words?

Regardless, though, anyone who is offended by Gor--or by female supremacist fantasies--needs to take a step back and get a nice, firm, two-fisted grip on reality.  'Cause, see, none of us in any danger whatsoever of ending up on a magical fucking BDSM planet where all de mens are Twue Mastuhs and all de wimmens are Twu Swaves any freaking time soon.

Neither is anyone with a penis likely to wake up tomorrow morning and find himself deprived by law of the many special privileges to which he has become accustomed, after being raised all his life in a patriarchal society.

So maybe everyone could just freaking relax.  D'ya think?

As ever in the BDSM context--if someone else's fantasy doesn't float your boat?  Don't participate!  You don't see me on the Gor forum shitting in their stroganoff because John Norman's sci-fi wank fantasies don't do it for me.  I'm perfectly fine with the fact that those people are doing their thing, enjoying their personal lives and the relationships that make them happy.  So long as they don't get into my face with their segregationist garbage or start trying to order me around, I'm content to leave them alone.

Maybe Gor is not for me, but it's no different in substance from a lot of other BDSM practices that I don't personally find erotic.  It's called a "squick", quite frankly, and it's my problem, not theirs.

--M




gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 2:46:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

As ever in the BDSM context--if someone else's fantasy doesn't float your boat?  Don't participate!  You don't see me on the Fem Supremacy forum shitting in their stroganoff because Dianna Vesta's sci-fi wank fantasies don't do it for me.  I'm perfectly fine with the fact that those people are doing their thing, enjoying their personal lives and the relationships that make them happy.  So long as they don't get into my face with their segregationist garbage or start trying to order me around, I'm content to leave them alone.



When you turn it around, it makes a lot more sense to me.

Yours,


benji



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 2:55:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

When you turn it around, it makes a lot more sense to me.


That has been my point from the beginning.  And yet, here you are, squatting over the stroganoff.

--M



gooddogbenji -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 3:00:53 PM)

Actually, my point is that it's not really all that tolerant to call their lifestyle wank fantasies and segregationist garbage.  That's like if I say that I respect black people, no matter how stupid they are. 

So if I run off and start calling you feminazi satanworshippers, and that I have nothing against you, is that tolerant?

Yours,


benji



Level -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 3:05:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel


As ever in the BDSM context--if someone else's fantasy doesn't float your boat?  Don't participate!  You don't see me on the Gor forum shitting in their stroganoff because John Norman's sci-fi wank fantasies don't do it for me.  I'm perfectly fine with the fact that those people are doing their thing, enjoying their personal lives and the relationships that make them happy.  So long as they don't get into my face with their segregationist garbage or start trying to order me around, I'm content to leave them alone.

--M


Just my thoughts, but as long as it is fantasy, I don't care. If it's not fantasy, I'd still support one's right to believe in it, as long it isn't forced on anyone, as you also stated, but I do find it reprehensible (sp?), as I would any bigoted behaviour.



undergroundsea -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 3:20:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: daiseytheone
These guys really do sound bitter, don't they realize what they sound like?


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
They're just askeered and being snarky is the result.[;)]


I am interested to hear your views about the matter beyond these statements. I am interested to know if you are for it or against it and, more importantly, why you feel as you do.

Cheers,

Sea



Morrigel -> RE: Elise Sutton Interviews ME - Female Supremacy (11/13/2006 3:25:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
Actually, my point is that it's not really all that tolerant to call their lifestyle wank fantasies


Everyone's BDSM "lifestyle" is a wank fantasy until they get a chance to live it in real life.  *looks around*  I'm sorry, but is this the Planet Gor?

There's a difference between "tolerance" and "pandering".  Tolerance is where I may think you're stupid and all your fantasies are disgusting, but I don't feel the need to follow you around bugging you personally about it.  You can start a thread and talk about it, and if I don't like your fetish or fantasy I stay out of your hair.  I don't have to like it, and you don't have to care that I don't like it, because I don't try to make my personal tastes your problem.

Pandering is where I'm forced to pretend that something which is blatantly a fantasy is actually "real" in order to be "polite".  Sorry, but I'm not obligated to do that; it's not my job to coddle schizophrenics.  Gor is not where I live, and neither does any society on the planet Earth resemble ANY kind of legal Female Supremacist domain.  If people want to live out either of these fantasies in their personal lives, they have to create a very protected space, share it only with those who understand it and choose to participate, and accept the fact that the world is going to be full of "mundanes" who don't get it.  That's what it's like to have an inner truth that is shared only by the few.

For the record, none of us are really obligated to think that members of the SCA are really living in medieval times, either, or that the guys who re-enact the Civil War on Sundays are actually veterans of the Confederate army.  We don't have to think their passions in life are cool or even sane, and we can even poke fun at them if we like--so long as we do it on our own dime and stay out of their faces about it.

It's when we insist on going to the Ren Faire or the latest re-staging of the Battle of Ghettysburg and act like pricks, that we're going over the line from  The Land of Tolerance into The Land of the Being an Asshole.

In a thread about Female Supremacy?  I'm more than willing to make fun of John Norman.  But I'm not going to go to the Gorean board to be Bitchzilla while they're trying to have a discussion. 

--M






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