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RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 6:13:53 PM   
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OK you non-smokers, I understand, but part of this is for you. Just read the whole post.

I just been to my last show last night because there will be no more smoking in bars in Ohio. The time before that it was a $2 reentry fee, so I gotta pay $2 to get back in after a cigarette ? After a joint I can understand, not that I like it.

Now this is bullshit, I sat there and watched the lasers and other light show devices show up in the smoke, and no they did not use fog generators. This was your typical smoke filled room. It was great. So the non-smokers have won. Kudos. But....

You THINK you won ? Let me tell you what you won, you like  being at this bar and hearing this band, are you all agog about doing it in a smoke free environment ? WRONG !

This place is going to be out of business in a year. We might come and see our favorite band, but we will not walk in the door until they play and we will be gone as soon as they are done. I blew about $90 last night and if I couldn't smoke there I would be gone. Actually unfortunately in the future I will probably stay home and not even pay the ten bucks at the door. What's more I got the biggest car of our little bunch that goes to these things so there's five warm bodies that will NOT BE THERE.

People are like puppies, they pay attention to whatever is put in front of them. Smoking was such a big issue, NOW non-smokers, now that you have won are you going to step up to the plate and spend the money we smokers no longer spend to help the economy ? Or is it OK with you for damnear every small business in the country to fold up ? You prefer to send your money overseas ? Well, it is going to get to the point where there is nobody here to take your money except the government, hmmm, it seems that this is what they wanted.

OK, you non-smokers might've had the best intentions, a child could wander into a bar, catch a whiff of second hand smoke and die of cancer, so you did good thinking about the children. Now that you have trampled the Constitution and made things worse in that venture I would like to direct your attention to a much more serious problem. Remember we need to think about the children here. OK the children.

Have you heard of thimerosal ? It is a presevative used in vaccines given to babies. People who work for the company (Ely Lilly) sit on the board of the CDC, but that should be OK right ? This is just part of the cooperation between industry and covernment.

Fact is they are dumping huge amounts of thimerosal into newborn babies. Thimerosal contains a high percentage of mercury, which is known to cause autism. K N O W N, not suspected.

If you are a non-smoker would you rather inhale smoke or take this stuff ? The smoke might not be good for you, but the thimerosal is laden with mercury. I would take the smoke. And the poor little babies they poison with this stuff have no say in the matter whatsoever. Do you trust your newborn babies to people who would poison them ? Yes you do. You have taken away the rights of millions of business owner across the country in the name of (whatever).

Let me tell you about thimerosal. In 1990  they added Thermopolis D and Hepatitis B vaccines to the vaccinations. They eliminated DPT, but they tripled the dose of mercury, which IIRC is not good for you. In the 70s we had 1 in about 25,000 autistic kids, in the 80s it was 1 in 2,500, as of 2004 it's about 1 in 250.

Are 1 in 250 going to die from smoking, and did that cripple their brain for life ? I think not. Why aren't ALL children autistic you may ask. I will answer. For one, you have people who die of lung cancer without ever having smoked anything. I know, err knew one. Nice guy.

Dr. Mark Geier seems to have figured it out, and don't look for this on TV. Dr. Amy Holmes had a bunch of kids. One is autistic. Here comes the surprise.

The autistic kid had a very low level of mercury in their hair and tissue samples, the normal kids had alot more. Dr. Holmes who might well be a great doctor seems to have missed something. Dr. Geier explains it thusly : (not a quote)

Some people exposed to this poisonous agent are less affected and the mercury basically stays in the blood to be eventually excreted in the skin, hair, sweat whatever. In the ones who become autistic it is absorbed into the cells of the nervous system. Therefore it does not show up in the tissue or hair samples.

The FDA licenses vaccines and the CDC monitors the safety, and you won't find a meeting without reps from the drug companies, those who make the poison, voting. He commented that it might actually be illegal (conflict of interest), but nobody seems to have anything to say about it. They have done such a good job buying the government that they also charge US Citizens about eight times as much for their poison.

What's more learning disorders are up, and I think they could very well be a lesser reaction to the poison. We are getting to the point where more and more people will be idiots. Don't take this board and assume everything is OK, millions of kids will never use a computer or be productive member of society. And "our" stooopopid Judeo-Chistian (supposedly) beliefs will prevent us from putting them out of their misery. They will be a drag on the taxpayer for their whole lives.

Animals sometimes eat their young, and this is right and good. Humans cannot do that because of their extreme potential, so it is our duty to assure that each human reaches his or her potential, not burdened with a neurological disorder. AT THE VERY LEAST NOT TO CAUSE THE DISORDER !

How many kids out there who are not classified as autistic have adverse mental effects from thimerosal ? How many will become sociopaths ? If you see the big picture you know they don't want us too smart.

So all you non-smoker who have won the issue, and are going to close down about half of the small businesses in Ohio, take note. I think this is a much bigger issue. Why haven't I heard much about it. This is a way more serious issue, or what, you want to make your kid autistic ?

Dr. Geier also makes the point that the rising autism rate is not being investigated at all, and states that it is because they already know the reason.

If we could mobilize the people on an issue like this like they got mobilized on the tobacco issue we could prevail and get this poison taken out of the shots given to our most innocent Citizens.

Are the non-smokers up for that ? Or is it that all they care is everything smells nice ?

T
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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 6:17:59 PM   
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Or is it that all they care is everything smells nice ?


For me, personally, it has nothing to do with smelling nice, and everything to do with breathing without having to go through a fit of wheezing and using my inhaler.  I don't hang out in smoke-filled bars and couldn't care less about them.


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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 6:37:45 PM   
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What do you think about the thimerosal ?

T

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 6:47:32 PM   
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So let me get this straight...you're defending your right to give others lung cancer from second hand smoke?

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 6:48:43 PM   
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If I'm not mistaken, it (thimerosal) used to be an ingredient in contact lens solution, I know if you are allergic it makes your eyes sore and red (this was many years ago).  I didn't know it caused other problems as well.  I do know that there is a huge controversy regarding autism and whether it is related to childhood immunizations.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:02:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK you non-smokers, I understand, but part of this is for you. Just read the whole post.

I just been to my last show last night because there will be no more smoking in bars in Ohio. The time before that it was a $2 reentry fee, so I gotta pay $2 to get back in after a cigarette ? After a joint I can understand, not that I like it.

Now this is bullshit, I sat there and watched the lasers and other light show devices show up in the smoke, and no they did not use fog generators. This was your typical smoke filled room. It was great. So the non-smokers have won. Kudos. But....

You THINK you won ? Let me tell you what you won, you like  being at this bar and hearing this band, are you all agog about doing it in a smoke free environment ? WRONG !

This place is going to be out of business in a year.

I doubt it.  You're singing the same song that people did in San Francisco and Boston and strangely enough, there were no rash of club closings in either city when smoking bans went into effect.  Once people realized they could go out to hear live music without coming home reeking like an ashtray or having respiratory distress, the non-smokers more than make up for any shortfall created by the absence of the nicotine addicts who chose to abstain.

Here's a story with information about just one study by Harvard University that debunks your prognostication.  If you care to look, there are more.

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Have you heard of thimerosal ? It is a presevative used in vaccines given to babies. People who work for the company (Ely Lilly) sit on the board of the CDC, but that should be OK right ? This is just part of the cooperation between industry and covernment.

Fact is they are dumping huge amounts of thimerosal into newborn babies.  Thimerosal contains a high percentage of mercury, which is known to cause autism. K N O W N, not suspected.

The FDA would seem to disagree with you about the "huge amounts" being "dumped" into newborns.  Read the following excerpt from this report :

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (> 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.
 
Don't ever let the truth get in the way of a "good" rant.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:05:31 PM   
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I'm impressed.  A rant that long and you didn't even blame the Jews once?

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:15:04 PM   
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Much of Canada has been smoke-free in public places for a decade or more. There is no shortage of bars, clubs or restaurants. The hospitality industry did not collapse. That’s just fear mongering.

Are we only allowed to remove one health hazard from our environment? If we go after thimerosal do we have to have the return of smoking in elevators? Ok folks – what’s it going to be; lead additives in gasoline, PCBs, mercury, asbestos, DU....? Make it a good choice ‘cause you only get one...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

People are like puppies, they pay attention to whatever is put in front of them. Smoking was such a big issue, NOW non-smokers, now that you have won are you going to step up to the plate and spend the money we smokers no longer spend to help the economy ? Or is it OK with you for damnear every small business in the country to fold up ? You prefer to send your money overseas ? Well, it is going to get to the point where there is nobody here to take your money except the government, hmmm, it seems that this is what they wanted.



You are so right. People are like puppies and they will only pay atten... ooo, look... a cigarette...

Sorry what was I saying? Oh yes, and you are also right, all non-smokers are Al-Qaeda sleepers intent on the overthrow of western democracy. Of course all smokers who read this are now security liabilities and subject to “sanctions”. Did I say Al-Qaeda? I meant Mossad.


You sound very keen to eliminate the use of thimerosal. That’s a splendid idea. Please begin. (If you think the help of non-smokers is important perhaps you might stop demonising them. You’ll catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.)

EDIT to ADD: Oops! Just saw stef's post. Looks like the FDA beat you to it.

< Message edited by Zensee -- 11/12/2006 7:54:49 PM >


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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:27:36 PM   
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I'm impressed.  A rant that long and you didn't even blame the Jews once?

Who do you think runs Ely[sic] Lilly?

~stef

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:43:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I'm impressed.  A rant that long and you didn't even blame the Jews once?

Who do you think runs Ely[sic] Lilly?

~stef



    Well, between his stint as CIA director and becoming Vice-President and President, it was George Bush the first.

   (Oops, forgot to put my tin-foil hat away after the Hillary thread.)

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:46:52 PM   
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George Bush is Jew?

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:48:56 PM   
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    Yup, originally it was Bushbaum but they changed it.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 7:57:11 PM   
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He's also Aleister Crowley's grand-love-child (according to another thread here). Personally I think that's an affront to the venerable A.C., myself.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 8:01:17 PM   
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I don't care if people smoke. I won't patronize establishments where smoking is allowed inside. For me it has nothing to do with lung cancer, emphysema, babies, puppies, or any other cute and cuddly critter. It has to do with the fact that I'm a severe asthmatic and often my rescue inhaler is not enough when I subject myself to prolonged exposure to cigarette smoke. I am on three different kinds of anti-inflammatory scripts for asthma and the smoke still has this effect on me. Therefore I remove myself from one source of inflammation.

What I do take issue with are people at places such as the campus where I attend college. The college has instituted a rule which says there is no smoking within 25 feet of the buildings. Despite this rule smokers move the ashtrays closer to the doors causing those of us who don't smoke to wade through the outer regions of Hades in order to reach the buildings. When we have rain these people are not content to visit the smoker's area, which by the way is a nice covered area with picnic tables. Instead they drag the ashtrays under the overhang right outside the doors of each building, huffing and puffing away. Go to another entrance, you say. I would if this were occurring at only one of the two, since it is happening at both entrances, I have no choice other than missing class but to wade through it. Complain to campus police, the dean, the president, you say. Sure, I will. As soon as they put down that cigarette so I can get close enough.

I don't care if you smoke. Do to your body what you will. It is my impression smokers are as intolerant of nonsmokers as you say we are of you. So when smokers will not enter a club, show, etc. because they choose not to do without a cigarette, nonsmokers with health issues can enter those establishments.

End of my rant.

Karen

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 8:06:14 PM   
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Damn LaM, you ought to warn a guy.  I just snorted bourbon because of that post!

I'm an occasional cigar smoker, but I'll give up my vices in public if it will keep jerkwads from blowing cigarette smoke in my face, and posting irrational rants on here.

And WyrdRich (and I KNEW it was "weird" from the beginning)  I am insulted.  Jews are smart, right?  We control the banking, the media....WHY would we have the Shrub as one of our crowd?   I think...now I'm not sure...but I think he's Armenian.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 8:36:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK you non-smokers, I understand, but part of this is for you. Just read the whole post.

I just been to my last show last night because there will be no more smoking in bars in Ohio. The time before that it was a $2 reentry fee, so I gotta pay $2 to get back in after a cigarette ? After a joint I can understand, not that I like it.


Non-smokers could have organized till hell cooled off and nothing would have changed. The Insurance lobby started out-spending the tobacco lobby just about the time governments began to notice what cigarettes are doing to their treasuries via the health care burden.

Several states and several foreign countries have instituted similar laws. Each one of them was peppered with doom-saying whiners like you and each one of them has thriving bar scenes today.

Come back a year from today and tell us how you made out keeping your vow to stay home licking envelopes for Paranoiacs Unanimous while both your friends are out whooping it up on the weekends.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 8:44:39 PM   
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What you say they will loose in Smokers patronage..they will make up in NON-smokers patronage.. Now the non-smokers can go to a bar without having to come home smelling like a cheap whore house.
 
We already pay high medical premiums through our employers because of the higher heath risk and illness of the smokers as well as days needed off due to smoking related illnesses.  Maybe we'll even get more production out them now without them having to take so many smoking breaks.
 
So just take this majority decision and suck on it.  We'll all breathe easier.
 
Oh Boo-hoo.  No pity here.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 8:57:59 PM   
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I fully support your right to smoke wherever and whenever you feel the need.

Probably in the same way you fully support my right to not have to inhale the carcinogenic substance you are indulging in.

Now that we have clarified our willingness to fully support each other's rights.  Please clarify how I can go to a bar to listen to a band without inhaling your second hand smoke.

Im listening...

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

p.s.  Every time I ask this question I get some answer that reminds me of creation scientist's arguments.  But that is just me and I could be wrong.

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 9:27:46 PM   
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Ummm...Sinergy, I'm on the nonsmoker's side here.   lol!

He  (the OP) can smoke where ever the fuck he wants but I don't want to breahe in the toxic fumes. In fact, I'd happily shove it up his urethra in a wild form of cbt. But that's just me. ;)

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RE: RANT, a big one ! Feel free to join in. - 11/12/2006 9:40:33 PM   
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Ummm...Sinergy, I'm on the nonsmoker's side here.   lol!

He  (the OP) can smoke where ever the fuck he wants but I don't want to breahe in the toxic fumes. In fact, I'd happily shove it up his urethra in a wild form of cbt. But that's just me. ;)

Karen




Hello MzKaren,

I just hit reply over your post, not specifically replying to your post.

Apologies.

Sinergy

p.s.  I was going to say that I support the smokers right to smoke while wearing a garbage bag over his head duct taped air-tight around his neck, but I figured that seemed needlessly hostile on my part.

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