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TravisTJustice -> RE: Question About Humiliation (2/16/2005 9:58:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Thanks for the info, but where in the world does one buy a chicken suit?


My greatest pervy admiration always goes out to subs who will make their own costumes like that. It plays straight to my sadistic delight in the same ways as it might have amused pervy judges of old watching a condemned man build his own gallows.

Oh, and the ChickenMan rawks. Methinks he's topping from the bottom though, 'cause he point-blank refuses to eat any eggs he lays. For me, anyway. Any suggestion I might be "sharpening the ax" didn't help either...

Travis T.




onceburned -> RE: Question About Humiliation (2/17/2005 5:41:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Hey I did say I got a rise out of this... Is it so wrong that I should get some entertainment from your potential humiliation?


erm.... well... no, I guess not. I suppose as long as it pleases you. (though I still hope it don't happen)

BTW, this site sells two different chicken costumes for adults

http://www.costumecraze.com/ANML15.html?PHPSESSID=5d72dc4726205c0a6f0a940aceee60a7




MissCrystalBlade -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/18/2005 1:35:49 AM)

I dont think this is contradictory or strange. Humiliation doesnt work if you are having the person do or wear something that they are really into. Putting an adult baby into a diaper wouldnt be humiliation for them, it would be fantasy. If you want to use feminization for humiliation you will get better results with a man who isnt into crossdressing.




BeachMystress -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/18/2005 3:13:30 PM)


ROFLMAO till I wet my pants! Oh damn. I have been thinking about what to have my boy wear to Folsom and have been thinking of everything from leather to lil strappy nothings.. but a chicken costume.. ROFLMAO.. oh damn! Maybe put the chicken in bondage gear...

You want humiliation?? Buy a plastic blow up sheep pig or cow. Make it be the only thing they can gratify themselves with sexually for two weeks. Then tell people about it. *sweet innocent smile*




AAkasha -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/18/2005 3:59:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissCrystalBlade

I dont think this is contradictory or strange. Humiliation doesnt work if you are having the person do or wear something that they are really into. Putting an adult baby into a diaper wouldnt be humiliation for them, it would be fantasy. If you want to use feminization for humiliation you will get better results with a man who isnt into crossdressing.


Yes, there's often nothing "forced" about forced feminization. If a submissive does something on his own regularly just for thrills then chances are I would not considering it humiliating to do to him, nor "forced."

I used to have a saying that there were a lot of male fetishists out there who should just as well be saying, "Tie me up and force me to do all the things I want to do!"

I get very turned on by humiliation, but it has to be humiliating. Making a very non-femme guy who had never thought of crossdressing put on a pair of panties is humiliating. Making a grown man drink from a dog bowl on the floor is very humiliating. Making a guy drink from a dog bowl who arrives at your door complete with his own dog collar, leash and doggie bowl? He's a puppy play fetishist; it's not the same.

My very early bdsm experiences were with totally vanilla guys. "making" them do things that they did not want to do was a huge rush for me -- convincing them, "Just do this for me..I am so turned on, it will just push me over the edge!" -- they'd want to do it, because they wanted to go ahead and make me wet, it turned them on to turn me on. But they certainly didn't like the idea of being tied up, gagged or embarrassed by following commands they felt made them look silly. Their pride was very important. It humiliated them, bent their ego a little, but they did it anyway.

For humiliation play to work (for me) it has to be humiliating to the sub. Certainly there are lots of subs that get off on humiliation -- or that's what they call it -- but they do it very readily, voluntarily and without hesitation. It might work for them, but I don't get a rush from it.

Akasha




sting516 -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/19/2005 8:56:56 AM)

i would so agree with You, Ms AAkasha...the humiliation acts i remember the most are the ones that truly mortified me at the time...looking back at them now, i remember them with a smile on my face...but at the time, it was not something that was something i'd consider being of my nature...and lately, the thoughts/fantasies that get me going the most are things against my general nature...even though it might seem i'm looking forward to doing something, these things actually scare the crap out of me...such as my latest thing, getting fucked by a shemale (not done yet)...the thought of doing that is arousing because i fear it...fear for me is an incredible turnon....fear and humiliation and i'm in heaven and hell all at once.

sting




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/19/2005 11:53:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
My very early bdsm experiences were with totally vanilla guys. "making" them do things that they did not want to do was a huge rush for me -- convincing them, "Just do this for me..I am so turned on, it will just push me over the edge!" -- they'd want to do it, because they wanted to go ahead and make me wet, it turned them on to turn me on. But they certainly didn't like the idea of being tied up, gagged or embarrassed by following commands they felt made them look silly. Their pride was very important. It humiliated them, bent their ego a little, but they did it anyway.

This is exactly what I mean, and exactly how I think... I used to think self a lil sick for getting off on this power play... So thank God for BDSM, I can be as bad as I want to be (in a good way, with his consent of course, lol) with no apologies.

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For humiliation play to work (for me) it has to be humiliating to the sub. Certainly there are lots of subs that get off on humiliation -- or that's what they call it -- but they do it very readily, voluntarily and without hesitation. It might work for them, but I don't get a rush from it.

Exatly why men asking for forced crossdressing and forced bi really do not work for me... Simply tell me you will submit to whatever I feel like experimenting with (with the safety of knowing I'm sane, and would respect your need/ability to back out), and let the games begin. [;)] M




Mercnbeth -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/19/2005 1:40:53 PM)

Forgive my intrusion into the Mistress / Domme side of the universe. I've been following this subject and was hoping that someone else would hit upon this point, but since no one has I just had to comment. "Mea Culpa"!

Aakasha has a dilemma, enjoying humiliation scenes but not wanting to be "serving" as a submissive's enabler. This is an occasion for the Master/Mistress to use his/her abilities to turn the situation around so that is serves and pleases the Master/Mistress. It's relatively easy. I'll attempt to illustrate using the examples sited.

Sure the 'non-femme' guy who gets off by cross-dressing wouldn't mind stopping over your apartment and prance around you in a tutu, but demand that in order to get that "pleasure" that he prance around outside in the yard for 15 minutes at the risk of being seen, and he may appreciate 'paying' for the privilege. Sure your little 'pet' wants to be your puppy, but doing it as a moonlight walk along the beach, and include some outdoor fetching or "trick training", and once again the matter of control is back in the hands intended.

I've never had a male sub but I can think of 100's of ways to incorporate his need for humiliation through cross-dressing into very interesting scenes. Imagine requiring a "Macho" man to wear the same red or pink silk panties every day to work between the times that he comes to see you. Most mens rooms don't offer the privacy of individual stalls and just the idea of being caught will keep him in a nervous state.

I don't see any "topping from below" if a slave or sub's fantasies are incorporated into a scene. It's incumbent upon the Master/Mistress to think of how to incorporate the idea into his/her satisfaction. If you only play with your puppy as the puppy wants to be played with; you will have a spoiled puppy. The power dynamic is by taking control of your puppy, and in that persona create a powerful scene for both of you.

My suggestion is, instead of just "going with the flow", use the flow to take you places you may have not visited yet. This type of play is a fantastic tool to develop trust, which leads to expanding limits. Ultimately your sub must trust you and KNOW that you won't pull up to his place of business and make him get out wearing his tutu. But when you drive by and beep the horn, it should get a hell of a reaction from him, and should be the head trip that you want.




AAkasha -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/19/2005 1:54:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Forgive my intrusion into the Mistress / Domme side of the universe. I've been following this subject and was hoping that someone else would hit upon this point, but since no one has I just had to comment. "Mea Culpa"!

Aakasha has a dilemma, enjoying humiliation scenes but not wanting to be "serving" as a submissive's enabler. This is an occasion for the Master/Mistress to use his/her abilities to turn the situation around so that is serves and pleases the Master/Mistress. It's relatively easy. I'll attempt to illustrate using the examples sited.

Sure the 'non-femme' guy who gets off by cross-dressing wouldn't mind stopping over your apartment and prance around you in a tutu, but demand that in order to get that "pleasure" that he prance around outside in the yard for 15 minutes at the risk of being seen, and he may appreciate 'paying' for the privilege. Sure your little 'pet' wants to be your puppy, but doing it as a moonlight walk along the beach, and include some outdoor fetching or "trick training", and once again the matter of control is back in the hands intended.

I've never had a male sub but I can think of 100's of ways to incorporate his need for humiliation through cross-dressing into very interesting scenes. Imagine requiring a "Macho" man to wear the same red or pink silk panties every day to work between the times that he comes to see you. Most mens rooms don't offer the privacy of individual stalls and just the idea of being caught will keep him in a nervous state.

I don't see any "topping from below" if a slave or sub's fantasies are incorporated into a scene. It's incumbent upon the Master/Mistress to think of how to incorporate the idea into his/her satisfaction. If you only play with your puppy as the puppy wants to be played with; you will have a spoiled puppy. The power dynamic is by taking control of your puppy, and in that persona create a powerful scene for both of you.

My suggestion is, instead of just "going with the flow", use the flow to take you places you may have not visited yet. This type of play is a fantastic tool to develop trust, which leads to expanding limits. Ultimately your sub must trust you and KNOW that you won't pull up to his place of business and make him get out wearing his tutu. But when you drive by and beep the horn, it should get a hell of a reaction from him, and should be the head trip that you want.


It's not really a problem anymore because I did find a man who has the balance I seek -- he's not really a fetishist, he doesn't seek any specific kink, and most people would call him pretty vanilla. But he will do anything to make me wet -- anything to please me -- things he would never do for another soul. That's the kind of submission that I needed.

Regarding the crossdresser outside, etc. I would not ever put my neighbors in that situation. I don't believe in getting outsiders involved. Also, a lot of crossdressers have a huge fetish for being caught, that's part of the thrill. It's not worth the risk of offending an innocent bystander.

And I have the panties-to-work scenario pretty nailed down. My entire "corporate slut" series on my site has been going since 1996 or so, all about stripping a high powered executive of his power by sissifying him under his power suit.

I think there's someone for everyone. I think what happened with me is I got spoiled by feasting on the uneasiness and fear of having a man do embarrassing or humiliating things for me way before I ever met a "submissive" who actually wanted these things done -- asked me to do them -- hell, pressured me to do them. I never experienced topping from the bottom before that, etc.

Akasha




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/19/2005 2:48:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Forgive my intrusion into the Mistress / Domme side of the universe.

Intrude away Merc, especially when Evil Merc lurks in to give fun ideas on how I can make hie brethren more uncomfortable in a dress, lol.

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Sure the 'non-femme' guy who gets off by cross-dressing wouldn't mind stopping over your apartment and prance around you in a tutu, but demand that in order to get that "pleasure" that he prance around outside in the yard for 15 minutes at the risk of being seen, and he may appreciate 'paying' for the privilege.

Thanks for the ideas... I would do this. M




diaperedbaby -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/21/2005 8:08:16 PM)

I don't think I can pass for a masculine male. What is a girl to do?

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BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/21/2005 9:54:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: diaperedbaby
I don't think I can pass for a masculine male. What is a girl to do?

You mean aside from crossing me off list of potential Dominas whom you would serve... I would say find yourself a bisexual Dom daddy or a Domme who's into sissification/infantilism; I think bisexual is so kool, because you have so many more choices, as opposed to heterosexuals with your specific needs/desires.[;)] M




LadyAngelika -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/22/2005 4:48:00 PM)

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I think bisexual is so kool, because you have so many more choices, as opposed to heterosexuals with your specific needs/desires. M


In my opinion, just because someone is bisexual, they would necessarily be more open minded to sissification, nevermind infantilism.

- LA




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/22/2005 6:11:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
In my opinion, just because someone is bisexual, they would necessarily be more open minded to sissification, nevermind infantilism.
- LA

Maybe that came out wrong...
I meant that being bi-sexual he is able to look for kinksters of both sex who are into infantilism and or sissification... Whereas if he was only looking for a Dom daddy, his pool would be very much reduced, since as I understand, this is not one of the more common kinks in the lifestyle.

Plus I'm pretty sure I understand where you fall in relation to age players/sissies after the "Forced Masculinization" thread. M




jonmaleslave -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/22/2005 9:35:48 PM)

But what do you think of the male sub, in the military, who is willing to shave all and crossdress in public with you? The risk is so much greater even if they desire to do so. Would that turn you on?




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/22/2005 10:53:24 PM)

LOL, yes that could work.......
What are you going to do for work after you get fired though? M




diaperedbaby -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/23/2005 5:44:37 AM)

I think for me it isn't all humiliation being a sissy.
Yes, I enjoy it, but most importantly, it puts me in a submissive mind set.
For whatever reason, when I am at work in a suit, I can't get my mind to that submissive place.
Maybe I am a little unusual in that respect.
You are correct though, that since being Bi, it has opened more doors.
It has seemed on my experience, that more women enjoy this aspect more than men.
Not exactly sure why, or it is just luck of the draw?
diaperedbaby




LadyAngelika -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/23/2005 3:37:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
In my opinion, just because someone is bisexual, they would necessarily be more open minded to sissification, nevermind infantilism.
- LA

Maybe that came out wrong...
I meant that being bi-sexual he is able to look for kinksters of both sex who are into infantilism and or sissification... Whereas if he was only looking for a Dom daddy, his pool would be very much reduced, since as I understand, this is not one of the more common kinks in the lifestyle.


Ah ok, now that makes total sense.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Plus I'm pretty sure I understand where you fall in relation to age players/sissies after the "Forced Masculinization" thread. M


Where I fall? Hmmm. I don’t think I fall anywhere. I have my preferences but I live and let live J

Actually, I never stated that I didn't like either/or in that specific thread. What I said was “I am not however attracted to sissies and/or effiminate men. Does this mean I'm transphobic? Not at all. I actually do small amounts of cross-dressing play but very seldom.” I don’t mind the occasional sissification play to be honest. But I’m not hardcore into it.

As for infantilism, that has nothing to do with gender. A good friend of mine is into it and I’m trying to hook him up with a Domme that is into it. I’ve come to realise that Dommes that are into infantilism are rare, well at least in our little corner of the world. He’s never tried and I think it would be a good thing for him to test those waters.

As for me being into it, no. But I don't even want *real* children of my own. I'm not really a mommy type.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/23/2005 3:38:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jonmaleslave

But what do you think of the male sub, in the military, who is willing to shave all and crossdress in public with you? The risk is so much greater even if they desire to do so. Would that turn you on?


That would not turn me on. But I'm sure it would turn a lot of Dommes on and that is the important part. That people with similar kinks hook up.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Question About Humiliation (4/23/2005 3:40:07 PM)

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For whatever reason, when I am at work in a suit, I can't get my mind to that submissive place.


There are ways around this... <WEG>

- LA




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