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LadyEllen -> RE: Redo You - Gender as personal choice (11/20/2006 10:02:08 AM)

The problem Arpig - is that so much else in life arises from and depends on, what is recorded on the Birth Certificate.

Quite regardless as to whether I have a neo-vagina, if my Birth Certificate says Male, then to the male prison I go. I'm a little over the usual age range now, but if a draft came into being and I were the right age, off to some infrantry regiment I'd go. Those are extreme examples, but they hopefully prove a point. I'm not sure about this one, but in theory I guess a TS who has had the surgery could maybe get arrested for going to the female loos, if the Birth Certificate still says Male.

And yes, the UK is (was) very backwards in all this; the Gender Recognition Act passed late last year, at which time the UK was one of only a few who didnt allow the change; I guess being in the same league as the likes of Albania maybe woke our lot up, although personally I think it was the Human Rights Act and the combined LGBT pressure for equitable treatment which had most effect.

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meatcleaver -> RE: Redo You - Gender as personal choice (11/20/2006 10:09:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Just the simple name change is costly & the courts won't approve the petition if you so much as forget to cross a t or dot an i... & this is just a name change

Hey, I didn't realise that things were so fucking backwards there, I made the mistake of assuming that the US & the UK were as progressive as Canada. A name change costs at most $135.00 (http://www.cbs.gov.on.ca/MCBS/english/4V2UBE.htm) here, and can be done online (http://www.gov.on.ca/ont/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_252/_s.7_0_A/7_0_252/_l/en?docid=053266).
I will concede that in a country where something as simple as a name change can be a legal burden that a court has any say in the matter, that something like this might be considered as rather important. Hopefully you will concede that in a civilised country where things like a name change are simply a matter of a bureaucratic procedure involving adding a reference notation to the Government records, changing one's recorded sex-at-birth is a bit frivolous



In Britain, your legal name is what you use and not what is on your birth certificate. If you use Micky Mouse as your name on your bank account and house deeds etc. then the courts will view that as your name and not what is on your birth certificate. I was surprised to find this out at first but having worked in the criminal justice system and having seen many a person pass through as Fred Bloggs aka (also known as) Micky Mouse, I realise how common it is and changing your name by deed poll, is more for the individual wanting to tidy up loose ends.

Eduited to add link http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/basics/changeofname.htm



MstrssPassion -> RE: Redo You - Gender as personal choice (11/20/2006 11:07:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
I made the mistake of assuming



Arpig you have always been such an interesting read & you've conveyed so many things that your life experience has taught you... how the heck did you miss the brilliant lesson about assuming??

[;)]

But part of preventing future mistakes is learning from previous mistakes & also to not keep repeating them hoping for a different outcome.



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