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Hello,
All that you have said here is true, in low protocol situations. I think that most everything today is medium to no protocol and that is how it is done.
However, there are still those few high protocol hold outs that still require protectors, not references or sponsors.
Most everything is indeed - as "high protocol" is something which has never been 'common', but is sometimes called on in rare occasions when people decide it would be a good time to hold an event of that nature.
Your inference is that there is "high protocol" now as a regular thing in the Chicago scene - and, that uses the term "protector" when someone has someone vouch for them and./or when someone new is brought in.
I am sure you are not speaking about the entire Chicago community when you say this, as it would be a rather interesting undertaking to have someone speak of it as a whole and insist that there be a specific demeanor instilled where words under common usage were suddenly redefined.
As you only reference the "Chicago" area, and not a group - please do provide us with what group is a 'hold out' for high protocol.
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I am in the Chicago scene. It is my home community. I had to have a protector when I first was coming into the community and wanted to scene. Not a Reference or a Sponsor. A Protector that would introduce me and negotiate my scenes.
And who specifically insisted that this occur and where? I do find this fascinating as (and, again) I cannot imagine this as a city wide requirement... I know the people I used to hang with in Chicago would definitively balk at such a thing being required of them and not agree to it;s implimentation at their events.
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After 5 years in the Chicago scene I do negotiate my own scenes, however I still require a Protector for myself when I scene with someone new. It is out of self preservation that I do this because of the potential for harm. That is for another topic one day.
So then - it is currently something you do for yourself - not something which is required of you by this body of people?
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However, if you go back to my original post:
Protection is mostly an idea for someone that was coming into the lifestyle and is under the guidance of one of the community members before they find a mentor (the protector is vouching that the person is interested in learning and not just someone getting a cheep thrill, something like when you invite someone to a private party and bring a new person - you are vouching for their integrity and discretion).
So, then - they are a mentor rather than a protector?
IS there classes which are also required for assurance that this person is (indeed) learning what they should, rather than being corrupted by some errant individual or someone who is an 'on line' entity and does not know their rear from a hole in the ground (*but, claims to)??
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Protection also serves a purpose when at functions (there are still some high protocol events that require a sub to be at least protected to even attend).
Why? This definitively begs the question.
I mean - I have known of events where unowned submissives were not allowed in attendance (once at a High tea held at a very posh hotel), but never for their "protection" - just as an exclusionary matter for the effect of the evening.
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At high protocol events it is considered dishonorable for a Dom to talk to a sub without being introduced first. The protector is the one that the Dom would go to if interested in the sub.
SO, then - they are the submissive's escort at and to these events.
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In these situations it is also considered disrespectful for a sub to talk to anyone before they are spoken to except for their Protector and other subs that they know. Also it is an easy way for the community at these functions to keep the peace, if the sub does something wrong, the Protector is the one that is talked with and will discipline the sub.
- hence the repeated inference of "high protocol" - propriety at it's best.
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When I first came into the lifestyle, my first event was one of these high protocol events. That was only 7 years ago, in Canada. I couldn't even contract to experience something that was given as a demonstration, my protector had to do that for me.
And, what event was this?
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I think that is the crux of a protector, to make sure you cause no harm during a scene for a Dom and that you receive no harm in a scene for a sub in today's use of the word. A private Dungeon Monitor.
I do not agree with the entire concept, so the actual definition is rather moot to me personally.
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Therefore, protection on the internet is not needed because you are not physically together and no harm can be done. However, if you are in the local community and you do scene and have a protector for that purpose, I believe that they should be listed in your profile.
Why? If it is real life, why the requisite for them to be listed in an on line profile... seems more than a bit obtrusive.
~J
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