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Lenis -> Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:31:51 AM)

Hello!  I'm new, sort of, but I thought of a topic that confused me.

I've read a few profiles that stated that the person in question was under the protection of so and so.  I'd heard of it before in say, roleplaying games online, etc but I didn't honestly think that it occured in real life.  Is this a common thing?  And why would a normal adult person need to be under another person's protection?

~Lenis




Arpig -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:37:39 AM)

Because the one doing the protecting likes to get a little on the side without having to commit to an actual relationship.




KatyLied -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:40:45 AM)

Because subs are helpless and need assistance in navigating the bad world. 

[&:]




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:43:31 AM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_650375/mpage_1/key_protection/tm.htm#650457
Under my protection

http://www.collarchat.com/m_429158/mpage_1/key_protection/tm.htm#429174
"protected" submissive

http://www.collarchat.com/m_369928/mpage_1/key_protection/tm.htm#370278
protection collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_298240/mpage_1/key_protection/tm.htm#298334
protection, protocol, and ownership

http://www.collarchat.com/m_297049/mpage_3/key_protection/tm.htm#297706
the need to protect





Fitznicely -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:45:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Because subs are helpless and need assistance in navigating the bad world. 

[&:]



*snort*




Lenis -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:49:53 AM)

Oooh, thank you!  I'll look at those.  I fail at using the search command properly.  Or perhaps my query was too specific. 




sub4hire -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 8:58:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lenis

And why would a normal adult person need to be under another person's protection?

~Lenis



"Normal" being your key word there.




toservez -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 10:05:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lenis

And why would a normal adult person need to be under another person's protection?

~Lenis



"Normal" being your key word there.


Exactly! Normally no, but sometimes insecure or esteem issues from both people and the attempt of merging cyber and real life. Also there are many people who like to use terms that glorify or hide from themselves what they are really doing.

Nobody does not want to think they cannot think for themselves and the other side think they are not manipulating another no matter what the intention is. Protection is a prettier word.

Just like when a Dom plays with a new sub and calls it mentoring. It sounds so much nicer then a fling.

I am sorry I appear snotty today.




candycoatedtoxin -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 10:12:43 AM)

Or, just protected from the people you don't want hitting on you.




lchristym -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 10:31:18 AM)

Hello,
Getting on soap box !!! Subs are NOT helpless. If they are they need to take a good hard look at themselves and figure out what they need in life in general before they go on with this lifestyle. Emotional and mental baggage will not magically disappear just because you have a collar. You have to face it and deal with it, you are no good to anyone until you do.

Subs are very strong, smart, and able to take care of themselves. SUBS ARE NOT DOORMATS !!!! SUBS ARE NOT VICTIMS !!!!

Subs have to have something to give up to be able to submit. If you are not strong, smart, and able to take care of yourself then what are you giving a Dominant? Nothing. What power have they been given? Nothing.

Service is not easy !!!! It takes a strong person (this is mentally and emotionally, NOT PHYSICALLY) to go about their day knowing the only reward is to make their partner happy and complete. Knowing that doing your best is the reward. I whole heartedly suggest that you read the Marketplace series of books written by Laura Antoniou if you think otherwise. While it is labeled fiction, what she has in those books are high protocol and "old guard" lifestyle situations.

Protection is mostly an idea for someone that was coming into the lifestyle and is under the guidance of one of the community members before they find a mentor (the protector is vouching that the person is interested in learning and not just someone getting a cheep thrill, something like when you invite someone to a private party and bring a new person - you are vouching for their integrity and discretion).

Protection also serves a purpose when at functions (there are still some high protocol events that require a sub to be at least protected to even attend). At high protocol events it is considered dishonorable for a Dom to talk to a sub without being introduced first. The protector is the one that the Dom would go to if interested in the sub. In these situations it is also considered disrespectful for a sub to talk to anyone before they are spoken to except for their Protector and other subs that they know. Also it is an easy way for the community at these functions to keep the peace, if the sub does something wrong, the Protector is the one that is talked with and will discipline the sub.

When I first came into the lifestyle, my first event was one of these high protocol events. That was only 7 years ago, in Canada. I couldn't even contract to experience something that was given as a demonstration, my protector had to do that for me. In a way I hate to see this protocol disappear or is it making a reappearance to help weed out the players that are on line?

Hopefully, the ones that are being protectors are meeting their charges in real life. If you are vouching for someone that you haven't met when your reputation and honor is at stake, you deserve what you get. Done with my rant, getting off soap box. Later. Be safe and well, have fun,
chris

PS - Protecting is different than Mentoring - Mentoring you are actually teaching, guiding, and helping the person find themselves as well as a possible mate. BOTH PROTECTORS AND MENTORS SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX WITH THEIR CHARGES. If you are then you have no honor and that is another soap box I would love to take up having done both.




KatyLied -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 10:33:02 AM)

quote:

Or, just protected from the people you don't want hitting on you.


You can't protect yourself.  Yet you are taking the chance of having a manipulator "protect" you.  See the problem with this?




KatyLied -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 10:34:05 AM)

quote:

Subs are NOT helpless.


If you have to explain it loses so much.....I was being sarcastic.




drawntothedark -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 11:17:47 AM)

My under protection safety net is my block button. I don't have to talk to it, it isn't secretly trying to get in my pants and it works so much better than a person. After I hit it........all the bad men just......go away!




RedSavageSlave -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 11:23:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lchristym

Subs are very strong, smart, and able to take care of themselves. SUBS ARE NOT DOORMATS !!!! SUBS ARE NOT VICTIMS !!!!



Actually...in a perfect world this would be true.. but the reality is that yes..some subs ARE doormats and some subs ARE victims





ExSteelAgain -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:16:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lenis

Oooh, thank you!  I'll look at those.  I fail at using the search command properly.  Or perhaps my query was too specific. 


Ooooh, I think I know what is going on.




AquaticSub -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:23:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lenis

Hello!  I'm new, sort of, but I thought of a topic that confused me.

I've read a few profiles that stated that the person in question was under the protection of so and so.  I'd heard of it before in say, roleplaying games online, etc but I didn't honestly think that it occured in real life.  Is this a common thing?  And why would a normal adult person need to be under another person's protection?

~Lenis



I can understand wanting to be under protection because I hate confrontation. I hate it with a passion. I would rather be petted on the head and told I'm a good girl then have to tell a dom or domme that I'm really sorry but I am completely taken/turned off by you/your breath smells like cheese/whatever. To the point of I would almost rather go along and be "good girl". Unfortantely I don't really think collars of protection work all that well since it seems to me that most of the people who are offering them are doing so for their own purposes that don't include helping the sub that much.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:47:03 PM)

Despite what I've always said, not until this thread have I ACTUALLY seen someone SHOUT "Not a doormat!"

It's good to have solid proof now that people do, in fact, feel a need to shout it.




Rover -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:47:25 PM)

Online protection?  Locate the little red "X" in the upper right hand corner of your computer screen.  Click on it whenever you feel the need for protection.
 
John




mnottertail -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:49:26 PM)

LOL, and Moderator 11 said there were no mentors on CM, what a jokester!!!!

MasterButton knows what to do, he can guard you.

MasterDisaster. 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Under Protection (11/17/2006 12:50:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL, and Moderator 11 said there were no mentors on CM, what a jokester!!!!

MasterButton knows what to do, he can guard you.

MasterDisaster. 


No no, they said there were no APPROVED master.

I guess their credit application is still being processed.




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