emdoub
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Oh, my.
Personally, I suspect that we've got someone who is either an attorney, or someone who works in Microsoft's support division - those two careers being renouned as excelling in using much verbiage correctly while keeping the meaning behind the verbiage remarkably occult.
(Gee - maybe I can use that paragraph as part of my resume and apply for a Microsoft support position myself. Or.... not.)
Anyhow - lemme get this straight. The reference to 'the girl' in third person means, hopefully, that cindyimswf is not the person expostulating here - that cindyimswf is a phantom behind which the actual author is concealing thier identity, or she's a stooge, letting her account be used for purposes of communication.
(Damn - it's contagious! Lemme try this again.)
Hokay - the person using the cindyimswf to claim authorship of 'The Leather Creed' isn't really cindy, right? Is she letting her account be used by the anonymous author, or is she a figment of someone's imagination?
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ORIGINAL: cindyimswf
There was a time when the participants, and writers of d/s dare not reveal their identity for fear of persecution, not just by the law, or their neighbors but from within the community itself; as it was believed that revealing any of the “great sexual secrets of the sect” would invariably bring about a destruction of the community and attacks from not only those within it, but those outside of it as well.
Well, there was a time when publishing anything about the community was scary, with real legal consequences - so not much was published. I never have heard of a time when the 'community' itself was opposed to this, though. Then again, I've only been around... well, less than a quarter-century.
In other words - would you be so kind as to let me know what the flock you're talking about here?
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In the interest of honoring them, and their contributions to our current Leather World; in the interest of keeping the focus on the text as opposed to the writer of it; in the interest of allowing the community to accept and adopt such a creed as theirs and their own without personal interest I’d asked a few close friends that the Creed be sent out, shared, discussed as needed and finally adopted by all of Us.
I've got bad news for ya, bucko - while this creed may serve for some, it's certainly not going to serve for me - and I suspect that it won't serve for a majority. 'All of Us' is simply not gonna happen - heck, we won't all get behind something as inoccuous as the Leather Pride Flag.
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For three hundred years we have refused to define Ourselves, and what separates Us from the criminals, from the mentally imbalanced, from those who even We are disgusted by.
It's been longer than that, and it's never been remotely possible - we're far too varied for that to work now, or in the past, or in the forseeable future. Personally, I hope that it never becomes possible - that individualism continues to reign supreme.
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There is nothing in it which is personal, or specific other than in the broadest and most general of terms such as the interest in children or animals, reasons which are backed up by intellect, and reason which I believe everyone can agree is valid, those who do not should raise the concern of the community on the whole.
As I'm already on record as objecting to many parts of this creed (which you totally ignored, obliterating the option of discussion), then I guess I'm one of the people you think should raise the concern of the community. I don't think the community needs to be concerned about me, though - it's only a cough, I'll be fine.
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The Creed isn’t about personal gain so much as personal issue with the societal misconception of Our collective interests and gains, and Our collective refusal to be responsible enough to state who We are; and what We are about, in the vaguest terms.
There's a reason for that refusal; we refuse to be restricted by any idea or ideal other than consent. Personally, I don't give a rip whether they're doing breathplay, barrier-free fluid exchange, and unsterile bloodplay - with Rin Tin Tin. If everyone involved has given their informed consent, they have my blessing. Their choice, their risks - their business. Finis.
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It is My belief that should the Leather community strive to self-define; the world outside the cellar won’t be in such a race to mislabel Us, and as we have all learned; when you allow someone else to label you it is always wrong, and it will never be removed.
I'll be sure to mention that to some Wiccans I know who live in fear of being burned at the stake, and some gays who are afraid to come out of the closet in San Francisco.
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This is Our definition, this is Us taking the responsibility of defining what we believe is acceptable, and not, and it’s only … a first step. I should like to hope and believe You might be eager to join the journey of acceptance and understanding rather than simply presupposing the possibility.
Um... no. This is your definition - mine is different, and other folks have definitions different from mine and yours. Deal.
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The Creed was written yesterday afternoon, approximately 28 hours ago now, and those who know Me know WHY it was writen, and indeed I had a witness to the writing of it as I typed, went for smoke breaks and returned to the task at hand
WHAT!?! You SMOKE? Don't you realize how dangerous that is, how ugly and dirty, how disrespectful of your neighbor's health? Shame on you!
Well, shame on me, too - I do about 2 packs a day, myself. But you probably see how, in other aspects of your life, the condemnation of the neighbors doesn't really change your actions, eh? (The second-hand smoke studies are seriously flawed, but that's a topic for a different thread on a different forum.)
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It is new to the consciousness of the group, and yet We all know its time has come and many believe they’ve seen it before – Which is simply not possible.
I'll take your word for it that you are the recent author - but no, we do not all know its time has come. For some of us, its time will never come, and we'll oppose any attempt to make it come.
Some of us prefer freedom, no matter how misunderstood or opposed. It's as simple as that.
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I am available for discussion should I be wanted, in the meantime no credit need be given and indeed if any is ever placed upon the text would allow the community to know the claim is a fraud.
Well, this would be the call for discussion, if you're willing to acknowledge that there is opposition to your ideas. In any case, you should seriously reconsider the idea that you're speaking for the community as a whole with this - because it's clear that you are not.
Midnight Writer
Evil, sadistic power-mad slob - who nevertheless respects consent.
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