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LordODiscipline -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (11/24/2006 8:14:15 AM)

Hey -
 
This is continued in another section where someone asks the quesiton about the differentiation of European to American BDSM... please, do join us and regale some of the Europeans there with your thoughts.
 
~J

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ORIGINAL: celticPoet

Sorry to all,
It seems that the superior intelect of LordODicipline has pointed out the fragile nature of my assumptions and that I am but a dreamer and one who is ignorant of the opinions I hold. So for those of you who were kind enough to agree with me I suggest that you too rethink your ideas and conform to tenants of LOD. It was presumptious of me to allow myself an opinion. But opp's I forgot, I am not a Sub afterall and that means I am allowed an opinion that differs from my Master. So forget what I said and follow your own paths in spite of those who disagree.



celticPoet -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (11/25/2006 11:34:10 AM)

Well at least we agree on one thing.....Opinions are fluid and we all have them, as for poetry and the way we express ourselves I have always found that communication is a skill and not a talent.

So to state MY beliefs (which I hope you will allow my adherents and myself to maintain). Nurture vs Nature.

It may be that since the main word in your title is Discipline and in mine it is Poet we can never set ourselves upon the same pathway. In my circle we feel that Submission is not necessarily use to exercise superior control without a state goal, and if that goal is the improvement of your Sub in ways that are outside just the physical how can we be faulted?.

I had a Sub for 8 years in Texas, during that time she learned a foreign language, how to dress to fit into any segment of society, the proper way to do her makeup, how to hold a conversation on any subject and many, many other growth experiences that never would have been achieved without the Dominant controls I placed on her. This is the Nurture part that is added to her nature part, the need to serve.  

So blast me if you will and if it allows you that feeling of superiority you wish to project, but know that  am not alone in this belief and hope that it contributes to a propagation of our philosophy.



LordODiscipline -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (11/25/2006 5:34:36 PM)

As I said (repeatedly)-
 
You may have any danged opinion you desire and perform any kink (including romantic idiocy) you would desire and require upon those who would follow you or fall under your sway.
 
'No skin off my shins' 
 
I only took umbrage your a grotesque mischaracterization of history and the generalization of all leather folks and groups in Europe.
 
And, you assume upon my moniker -
Look more literary than literal and you might finally garner a clue.
 
And "my" goals for the girl have nothing to do with "improving her" -that for me is more romantic non-real-sense.
 
I will do what I can to assist her in her own improvement - I (however) shall not 'improve her'. Another one of those things which wreak of a machinated dependency far beyond the reality which bears them along.
 
Do I hope that she will be improved through her association with me?
 
Certainly -
But, that is entirely subjective and I am sure that there are those who would declare that I am 'ruining her' as well...
 
And, bully for you on your submersible's accomplishments - my girl can tie her shoes, whistle, and chew gum (this is not a freaking contest - and, I have no reason to believe you in the least).
 
I have been involved in leather for more than 4 months - so I pretty much know where I need to be in my life and really do not need to spew it about on line.
[;)]
 
Keep it real and there is absolutely no issue from myself or other people like me.
 
Sincerely:

~J

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticPoet

Well at least we agree on one thing.....Opinions are fluid and we all have them, as for poetry and the way we express ourselves I have always found that communication is a skill and not a talent.

So to state MY beliefs (which I hope you will allow my adherents and myself to maintain). Nurture vs Nature.

It may be that since the main word in your title is Discipline and in mine it is Poet we can never set ourselves upon the same pathway. In my circle we feel that Submission is not necessarily use to exercise superior control without a state goal, and if that goal is the improvement of your Sub in ways that are outside just the physical how can we be faulted?.

I had a Sub for 8 years in Texas, during that time she learned a foreign language, how to dress to fit into any segment of society, the proper way to do her makeup, how to hold a conversation on any subject and many, many other growth experiences that never would have been achieved without the Dominant controls I placed on her. This is the Nurture part that is added to her nature part, the need to serve.  

So blast me if you will and if it allows you that feeling of superiority you wish to project, but know that  am not alone in this belief and hope that it contributes to a propagation of our philosophy.



Rover -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (11/26/2006 6:24:27 AM)

Surely you're familiar with the difference between "opinion" and "factual history".  If not, perhaps we need to start there.  If so, then it should be painfully obvious that you made a statement of factual history, and now are supporting it via opinion. 
 
Perhaps your original premise was also opinion, misstated as fact?
 
John



celticPoet -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (11/27/2006 5:50:32 AM)

Thanks Guy's,
I do enjoy a lively debate on issues such as this, it makes one think and helps broaden the view.
No insults or dis intended toward any, just stimulating thought provoking.




OmarKhyam1951 -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (7/5/2007 3:42:04 PM)

Flavor... Style..... ToeMAYtoe.... ToMAAHtoe.



OmarKhyam1951 -> RE: A Little of That European Old School Domination (7/5/2007 4:02:30 PM)

I cannot claim my a slave left me a better slave. I can say they left me more assertive and successful at being who they wanted to be. Like you, I had one from Texas. She became an honor roll student holding down a heavy classload. I also helped her through cancer treatment when the probability of her surviving was low. After leaving me, she went on to get her Master's in education. The vanilla world certainly benefitted.

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticPoet

Well at least we agree on one thing.....Opinions are fluid and we all have them, as for poetry and the way we express ourselves I have always found that communication is a skill and not a talent.

So to state MY beliefs (which I hope you will allow my adherents and myself to maintain). Nurture vs Nature.

It may be that since the main word in your title is Discipline and in mine it is Poet we can never set ourselves upon the same pathway. In my circle we feel that Submission is not necessarily use to exercise superior control without a state goal, and if that goal is the improvement of your Sub in ways that are outside just the physical how can we be faulted?.

I had a Sub for 8 years in Texas, during that time she learned a foreign language, how to dress to fit into any segment of society, the proper way to do her makeup, how to hold a conversation on any subject and many, many other growth experiences that never would have been achieved without the Dominant controls I placed on her. This is the Nurture part that is added to her nature part, the need to serve.  

So blast me if you will and if it allows you that feeling of superiority you wish to project, but know that  am not alone in this belief and hope that it contributes to a propagation of our philosophy.



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