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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 2:12:15 AM   
GrandpaLash


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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta

Think about it from the same perspective of a "thin" person.. woud they chase after a "large" person ?



Well actually Darth, there are a surprising number of svelte young things who have ticked the 'king or queen-sized body' (Lavalife) or 'is just plain huge' (B.com). I notice these things because I am Prince-sized.

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 3:48:27 AM   
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Darth,

i have to say...your posts on this thread really surprise me...and not in a good way...we've disagreed on things before...but this total lack of tolerance is something else...wait until it's your turn to be the one who is considered less than desirable...and then listen when people tell you have no business wanting what you want...we'll see how judgmental you are then.

sting

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 5:55:06 AM   
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Sting: I'm sure Darth doesn't need me to defend him but I actually thought he showed some tact in his third post of this thread. He has experienced intolerance also. He is a skinny guy and I have seen bigotry regarding skinny and/or short men as well as bigger people. Darth can be a little sarcastic sometimes. Maybe we should nickname him Mr. Smarty Pants Jr., hehe. Just joking Estring. Anyway, we cannot help who we are attracted to. If he is attracted to smaller women, which his girl is, then so be it. To each his own. I also agree with sentiment though that you can limit yourself by staying in your "box of acceptance". For instance, I never was attracted to shorter men, they had to be over 6' tall for me, but guess what? I took a chance on a man just slightly taller than me and we are now happily married. The bottom line being we need to look at the person within.



PS: I love your avatar Sting!

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 7:21:50 AM   
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weight can be lost , stupid lasts forever

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 7:26:12 AM   
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I have dated and been sexual with large plus size wemen in the past, so I'm not speekig out my arse with "inexperience" here.... I just have preferencial differances at this point.

Just as Sweetpleaser mentioned, I all to well know the "sting" (no pun intended from above poster) of the put-downs and people's constant name calling and the stereotypical BS that comes along with being "outside the norm" as a body type.
"OH MY GOD.... YOUARE A RAIL !.. here eat some gritst !"...... "You are a skeleton !"..... my nick name actualy was "SKELETOR" on a Federal Express Ground OTP dock.... so to laugh along withthem, I got a kids haloween costume off e-bay from the HE-MAN 1980's cartoon and wore the outfit one night...... the best part of it is, that all the dock crew KNEW that I was one of the best workers, and that even though I was "thin" I was still strong and had the ability to "keep pace" and not get winded by the end of the shift unlike some of the other "slugs".

I have the ability to laugh at myself..... because if you cant laugh at the sour grapes as they splatter ont he wall when life tossews them at you, then there is no point in crying about the spilt wine either.

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 11:04:53 AM   
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sweet,

no one is putting Darth down for who he's attracted to...the heart wants what it wants...no doubt about that...but the way he worded things in the early portion of this thread are little more than an insulting slight at some of those whose hearts also want what it wants...or at the very least is attracted to at first...Darth also knew, or had to know that he was insulting a great many people on this site.

i've been on both sides of the spectrum of weight...currently i'm on the heavier side, but there was a time when i was in shape enough to have done bondage modeling...but at no time did i tell people not to try for what and/or who they wanted.

Here's another aspect of this that maybe Darth and others failed to think about...it's unfortunate, but many people with an interest in bdsm have had some form of abuse (sexual or otherwise) in their past...i've never done a poll, but it's probably at least half, if not more...one other thing that people who have abuse in their past often have in common, especially those with the history of sexual abuse, is weight gain...in part because they try not to look attractive to others to avoid a repeat of what they think of as the desirability that attracted the abuser in the first place...just a little something else to think about.

Now that i have that out of my system....i'm glad you like the avatar!


sting

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 12:01:09 PM   
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nope, I just "call it as I see it". I tend to be very blunt at times.

Also, yes "abuse" is a re-occuring issue aswell as a few other Mental instabilities that run with a fairly common frequency in the lifestyle.

Nothing new here..... This kat knows his stuff, and has been more than aware of all that comes along with it.

I consider some of my comments to be boarderline "edgeplay" LOL....... I always tend to be controversial even when not trying to be.

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it is how I have always been in all aspects of my life..... I rather like it simple like that :)

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 1:31:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516

it's unfortunate, but many people with an interest in bdsm have had some form of abuse (sexual or otherwise) in their past...i've never done a poll, but it's probably at least half, if not more...

sting


Going to have to disagree with you here. Others have done polls and the figure is actually quite small. I have done my own straw poll over the years (I am an anthropologist, and intend doing a book on BSDM when I finish my PhD, so I do this sort of thing), both in BDSM, pagan circles (LOL), and mainstream. Of the several hundred lifestylers I have asked (no 'scientific' figures, will do that later), only a handful have abuse issues.
For most people, their interest in D/s seems to be innate - it's just who and what they are.

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RE: More on the weight thing... - 2/11/2005 1:35:11 PM   
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Sting, I think that's a very valid and pertinent point you bring up about the reasons behind why someone might carry a lot of extra weight on their bodies... Interesting thing, the interplay between wanting to not be thought of as desirable (so as not to invite the same abuse scenario) but showing up in the BDSM world which overtly mingles sexuality, desirability, and scenarios that can look abusive (intense sensation play, bondage, mock rape and rough sex, resistance play, humiliation play, and so forth).

My inital logic says that someone who wants to avoid abuse - especially abuse associated with sexual behaviors and being perceived as desirable - would NOT want to venture into the BDSM world at all as it would seem too scary, too overtly vulnerable.

However, I notice an alternate path of logic that says that folks with abuse in their history might explore BDSM for a couple of core (conscious or not) reasons. 1) To relive the abuse because there was some twisted/strange pleasure associated with the event(s), usually the part about feeling desired or 2) To relive the abuse and transform it into personal empowerment, claiming not just any pleasure associated with original events, but claiming the power to move from victim role to survivor role.

I grok that there are a myriad of reasons for 1) one's body/shape/size/weight and 2) one's choice to explore erotic power exchange. It is my belief that we can think about and discuss this stuff til the cows come home and not understand the dynamics of an individual's path until we truly see and learn about the individual. Abuse may or may not play a part. Compulsive or addictive eating/starvation/purging may or may not play a part. Genetics may or may not play a part. Other illnesses or medications may or may not play a part. And on and on.

Side story: Years ago when I first came out into the BDSM community, I was seeking a teacher as I wanted to acquire some competence in WIIWD. Almost immediately, I connected with a wonderful dominant man who became my first (and only!) master. Early in our talk, he mentioned that he usually did not go for women of my size (overweight, Rubenesque, zaftig... pick a word). BUT, there was powerful energy between us and... despite what he knew to be true about his "type", we embarked on a significant erotic power exchange relationship for many months.

Interestingly, I was the one who ended the master/slave relationship because I realized that being his slave was not what I truly wanted in the long term. He was very hurt, upset and angry with me for quite a while. It was hard to witness that... but I stayed true to myself, kept my heart open and loving towards him, AND made sure I was scrupulously honest, respectful, and clear in my communications with him.

After some healing time, not only was he emotionally okay, he let me know he appreciated how I handled ending (more accurately, changing) the relationship -- lovingly, without undue drama/trauma or making him wrong. That was his first time having such an honorable "break up" experience. To this day, we are friends. We each got to learn from the other... ALL because he was willing and able to bypass his preconceived notions of body "type".

It serves me to just stay as conscious as possible about my judgments of others and my own behaviors, to be open to others and accept them for who they are in any given moment with as much kindness and politeness as I can muster, and to keep my heart open and stay true to myself around who and what attracts me in any given moment.

Peace,
kw




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