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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 3:53:40 AM   
SaphireLynn


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OK, Serious post, mark it on your calenders:

While you are considering what you are getting out of this relationship, contemplate also what you are putting into it.  Seems rather one-sided, like something in the whole scheme of things might be missing.

Ron 


WOW ... that is very good advise.

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 4:58:17 AM   
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i dont think you are confused. i think you have known for a while what you need to do. what you lack is courage and commitment to your value.
 
if you dont change your life, who will?
 
i hope all of us on here has helped, another thing that might help is to start packing, start with the less used stuff, start picking up boxes and newspapers, give your self a cut off date....do not worry about the details just start the proses, it will be empowering and will begin to gather its own momentum all on its own.
 
 
 
 

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 9:54:57 AM   
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ty all for your advice. what you all have said is true about the drugs and the computer and my gutlessness.
only one thing wasnt correct he lives in my house i cant pack my bags and leave.i relocated from virginia. I sold my house bought one up here to be with him i know noone up here but him.
i think thats why i been trying so hard to make this work.
this situation has been this way since he moved out of his mothers house.i tried to talk to him today about it.about the computer
coming first and telling me to get away from him cuz he gonna  die in the game <he plays battlefield>.i told him hes always a zzombie <the drugs> he turned the issues all aaround and startin in on me and i asked if anything bothered u before why not tell me when it did or does..he was just
ignoring what i said about all this.and the point where he only "wants me when hes horny" is true and it doesnt make me very happy but i do it anyway cuz it pleases him
and i dont mind that but it does make me feel empty  but i always thought that was the way it was suppose to be to please him .anyways guess i'll see what happens when he gets home
<i just got yelled at for wasting his minutes on his cell for all this>

ty all .

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 10:04:13 AM   
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Loving someone isn't enough. Maybe you do love HIM but you aren't loving the way things are for you.

Sometimes the cost outweighs the benefit.........I know this myself only too well.

No relationships are without hard times of some sort.... but if the hurting and unhappiness totally outweighs the good, positive and contented times continually........it's time to have a re-think.

I hope you find a solution.

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 10:10:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OK, Serious post, mark it on your calenders:

While you are considering what you are getting out of this relationship, contemplate also what you are putting into it.  Seems rather one-sided, like something in the whole scheme of things might be missing.

Ron 


Holy shit Ron...when EF Hutton speaks...people listen!  ~seriously this bears repeating as well...~smile Proud of Ya Ron! ~grins

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 10:14:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subtears

ignoring what i said about all this.and the point where he only "wants me when hes horny" is true and it doesnt make me very happy but i do it anyway cuz it pleases him
and i dont mind that but it does make me feel empty  but i always thought that was the way it was suppose to be to please him .

Correct me if i am off base, but girl you felt that pleasing him is supposed to feel freaking empty?????  It is about MUTUAL fulfillment darlin...and if you sold a house and moved once, you can do it again...and get yourself out of that situation.  Just my lopsided opinion...




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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 10:24:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slaveMastery

Master or not, Dom or not - this sounds like a basic and fundamental relationship problem that would be no different in a vanilla scenario. Again, I say "this sounds like" since we only hear and see a snapshot of a two-year relationship. But it does sound like his priorities are elsewhere and not in the relationship.

The one thing that sometimes MAY help in a situation like this is the potential threat of imminent loss of the status quo - maybe the risk of losing you may bust him out of his funk. But if it does bust him out of there - be mindful that he does not slip right back into it once the status quo is no longer in danger.

Randy


The ONLY way this works is that if the threat is real. If he calls your bluff and you don't leave it will make things worrse. You must be prepared to follow through if he
won't be responsible for his part of the relationship.

Better yet don't threaten just do it.

Personally I think you've spent to much time on this loser and should walk out the door
and don't look back. I know that's easy for me to say and not so easy for you to do.

Gotta back up a step. Sell your house and go somewhere else. This guy is not a Dominant.
He's a controller and you'll never please him or make him happy. I think you really know that. He doesn't deserve you. period.


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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 11:49:12 AM   
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*...laughs* Oh, oh this. This sounds very familiar. Just like one of my previous relationships, in fact. Drugs and computer came first, so much so that I'd have to physically drag him to the bedroom and initiate to get any sex. What's that got to do with being a sub?

Best thing I ever did was leave him. It is unhealthy to love someone consumed by a computer and illegal entertainment. Your situation may vary, of course, but I suggest running far far away as fast as you can. Much better is out there and you can find it.

(I'm not bitter... just experienced. :>)

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 12:25:52 PM   
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As I sit and read through this forum, and read through the comments that everyone makes. I can't help but imagine that some years ago, my sub (at the time) must have come to a forum much like this one. In her state of complete obliviousness to the absurdity of HER circumstances, sat down at the keyboard and proceeded to tell a story of how I must have been such a good faker for about a year and a half. Then, all of the sudden, for no apparent reason, I suddenly lost interest in the relationship, and showed myself as being a "disinterested asshole, and not a Dom."

See folks, what we don't have a clue about, is the other side of the story. In my case, coincidentally, about a year into the relationship, her ex-husband moved in to her elderly parents home. Where she spent at least 5 to 10 hours of each day at, helping around the house. Now that may add a little stress to the relationship you might think. However, another pertainant detail, is that only a year prior to that, before going into prison, he raped her. This, needless to say, was a bit of a mind fuck. Now tell me, any of you. How is a "Dom" supposed to maintain any sort of "Dom-liness" when he's confronted with a "does not compute" situation like the ex-husband rapist being the new stressor, or whatever the situation may been been with subtears if there was a similar occurance.

I wasn't even told of his moving in for an entire month. The whole time she was depressed, and gaining weight, and being just plain miserable; a behavior she had exhibited in the past, whenever she had any sort of contact with her ex-husband. After hearing suggestions like,"You and _ _ _ should just learn to get along", and comments like,"he's just changed so much". Meanwhile she maintained that she was just helping out at her parent's house a few hours a day, and what's the big deal, and she loved me and wanted to continue to live with me. Needless to say, it didn't take long for me to become withdrawn, and depressed. Especially with her spending less and less time at home, and then complaining and trying to make me feel guilty for not paying enough attention to her, when she was home. Not a pretty picture, but from her point of view, somehow seeing nothing wrong with her practically taking up residence with her rapist. It's called Stockholm Syndrome. Fascinating stuff. Unpleasant too.
I think she would have seen me as having withdrawn, and likely posted something similar to what subtears did, and gotten responses that "cosigned her bullshit" in speculation of my character. That's not to say that subtears is full of shit but in some instances a person who finds themselves in this predicament, could be, with or without them being conscious of it.

So I say to you folks, when you don't know the whole story, you don't know the whole story.

subs comment: It's easy to rationalize, justify, deny or blame others or circumstances when we feel shame about ourselves and our involvement the breakdown of a relationships' intimacy. all of us have been on both sides of the fence with the "what am I doing wrong here" and the "how the hell can you not see it, i'm tired of repeating the obvious!" With that, any guilt or shame felt on the subs part needs to be thoroughly and humiliatingly exposed to her Master, in order for both of them to be on the same page in regards to the other's mental and emotional state.

this sucks, and it's not easy, but once we get that out of the way and quit hindering open communication and trust by exposing the good and the bad, the answer is crystal clear.
Subtears, if you feel in your heart, that your intentions are true and that you have nothing to hide and that every character defect you have has been painstakingly exposed to be controlled and healed through the love of a good Dominant partner, then you did all you could do and without response from him, the inaction is therefore the action just the same. And you can clear your conscious of any guilt of the obligation to continue hoping.
if he doesn't care, it hurts, but get out, or it'll hurt more, you know. I'm bad at keeping that logic at the forefront as well but you have to overcome petty immaturities in order to grow stronger.

if everything is really laid out on the table and your intentions and past actions and such have been pure and undecietful, then he doens't care. leave.

on the other hand, are you sure that your sadness and withdrawal is actually the product of his lack of attention or was it a product of something else, which he in turn reacted to, which you in turn, now misplace the blame onto?

emotional hurt is a very powerful thing, as is lack of self-respect or positive self-image. read a good book on emotional (and briefly, other) abuse. I recommend "why does he do that" by lundy bancroft, that's about all we can do without his participation. we need to know that the cause of his non-participation is really of his own character, or just "in reactance to:...!"

P.S. Life is fantastic now. I have a great sub, and we watch each other's backs...as they say. ;)
sub ps: happy!

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 12:33:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subtears
this situation has been this way since he moved out of his mothers house.<i just got yelled at for wasting his minutes on his cell for all this>

ty all .



This raised an eyebrow.
Moved out of Momma's house into yours.
You never mentioned if he works.
Does he pay any bills?
He uses the computer..who pays for internet?
Your computer? If so..what's the deal? He uses your pc..you use his cell.

Again..it's all what you're willing to put up with.
If it were me..and it being my house..I'd tell him to hit the road ..2 yrs or no 2 yrs. If it hasn't changed by now..it's not going to. He's got it made and knows it and you're enabling him.

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 1:34:24 PM   
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oh wow, i finished reading your reply and please, i'll like fucking buy you the damn book on amazon you must read "why does he do that." not every section or chapter or experience discussed will apply but it was one of the only things, dispite well-meaning and logic based advice from my parents and friends, that ever meant anything to me as I got out of the abusive relationship that almost fucking commited me. the book is based on emotional manipulation mostly, don't be scared of the terminology, you probably don't understand it just yet, I sure as hell didn't when I was caught up in the middle of it.

MASTERKINLA adds: I may not have emphasized this strongly enough but I'm not accusing you of being at fault nor implying that you are not opening up enough, you very well may have been, i was responding mostly to other posters, just trying to have a fair and balanced view. Good luck to you love, will send email.

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 3:31:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterKinLA
Now tell me, any of you. How is a "Dom" supposed to maintain any sort of "Dom-liness" when he's confronted with a "does not compute" situation like the ex-husband rapist being the new stressor, or whatever the situation may been been with subtears if there was a similar occurance.


you are right, we are only hearing one side of this story, BUT and with ALL due respect, we are speaking to the submissive here about her Dom.  Sure communication breaks down for us all at some point or another, but if he has tried do correct things he's seen going down hill and failed at correcting them, then why is he still around.  Where is his own self respect?  Why wouldnt he move on, hell go back to Mommie if things with her are truly gone south?  Although I agree with you on premis he's got his guilt in this reguardless, he's showing me a lack of mastering himself!

Grrrrr, Q

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RE: confused sub - 11/22/2006 8:48:07 PM   
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Subtears,

I feel for the situation that you are in.  I have a few thoughts which may be helpful.

Firstly, do you love this person, or do you love the idea of them?  The idea of his dominance, of the dynamic between the two of you?  It's very easy to be caught up in the energy of a new relationship, and to gloss over the actual character and personality traits of a person in the name of upholding the dynamic.

Secondly, you mention that you stay because you love him, but does he love you? Keeping in mind that to 'love' someone is more than just to direct a feeling in their general direction.  IMO love is an action.  Someone can tell you they love you or care for you all they want, but what are they showing you? Are they supportive and nurturing?   Do their actions convey that they consider your interests/needs/desires to be important within the scheme of your relationship? 

Take your concerns to him - his response will be telling.  Either he will be open and willing to accept his part in the problem, and will commit to actively  working on the relationship, or he will respond with some combination of anger, aggression, denial or apathy.  If the former, great, but make sure there's follow through - again, words are meaningless until you back them up.  If the latter, well, only you can decide then if you stay and put up with the situation, or decide you deserve better and cut your losses. 

Either way, I think it's important to recognise your own part in this mess.  Consistent self sacrifice - where there is no give and take and  you are not deriving any fulfillment from your submission - is destructive, both to your own well being and to your relationship.  You're teaching people how to treat you chicki, make sure they're getting the right lesson.

P.S.  For what it's worth, I'd send him back to Mother, he clearly still has a bit of growing up to do : )

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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 2:26:43 AM   
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Welcome to the Forums.  And to some advice yourself, welcome or not....
quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterKinLA
See folks, what we don't have a clue about, is the other side of the story.

You're absolutely kidding, rightttt???
 
For cryin' out loud, we're not idiots here; not most of us anyway!  That old axiom of "there's two sides to every story" is as old as recorded time itself.  So I would think most who do offer advice do so with a "grain of salt"....  Myself, I reply to what's asked or posted.  Sure, I expand, digress or offer theories etc but I do so in the knowledge that just because I don't know the other side of the argument is not to say the OP doesn't!  So it's still possible my advice (or that of anyone else) will strike a chord with the one seeking advice.  So the system still works....
quote:

So I say to you folks, when you don't know the whole story, you don't know the whole story.

Public msg boards are where fellow lifestylers can get unbiased advice generally not available anywhere else.  But it is NOT a court of law where both sides put their case....  Ideally, it should be but the reality is that if we insisted on the other party coming and putting their side, too, these boards would be virtually blank and therefore, useless!
 
And as often happens, a lot can change when the OP returns and fills in a few gaps - like now....
 
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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 2:57:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subtears

ty all for your advice. what you all have said is true about the drugs and the computer and my gutlessness.
only one thing wasnt correct he lives in my house i cant pack my bags and leave.i relocated from virginia. I sold my house bought one up here to be with him i know noone up here but him.
i think thats why i been trying so hard to make this work.
this situation has been this way since he moved out of his mothers house.i tried to talk to him today about it.about the computer
coming first and telling me to get away from him cuz he gonna  die in the game <he plays battlefield>.i told him hes always a zzombie <the drugs> he turned the issues all aaround and startin in on me and i asked if anything bothered u before why not tell me when it did or does..he was just
ignoring what i said about all this.and the point where he only "wants me when hes horny" is true and it doesnt make me very happy but i do it anyway cuz it pleases him
and i dont mind that but it does make me feel empty  but i always thought that was the way it was suppose to be to please him .anyways guess i'll see what happens when he gets home
<i just got yelled at for wasting his minutes on his cell for all this>

Whoa, his life revolves around drugs and computer games and now you say he only moved outa Mum's place after you came and bought a house in his area????  Your profile says you're 33 and I would assume he's around your age or older but he reads like some deadbeat teenager!!!
 
Damn girl, kick the loser's sorry arse back to Mum, sell the house, go back home and chalk the whole disaster up to the worst kind of experience.  Distance cures almost as thoroughly as time!
 
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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 5:04:22 AM   
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quote:

Public msg boards are where fellow lifestylers can get unbiased advice generally not available anywhere else. 


unbiased meaning, the opinion of a single side of the story?

you know i knew this guy once, and his wife like, never wanted to have sex with him, and he'd take her to work even when it was at the buttcrack of dawn, she never wanted to do shit with him, wouldn't ever gush about him with any of her friends, and she would like, accuse him of being a jerk all day even though she was the one disrespecting him, i mean she wouldn't even watch tv with him, and she always made a big old scene like he was fucking abusing her or some shit. it really was because she still loved her ex. she was a bitch.

fair and balanced, ...

wifey never wanted to have sex with him because he never compromised about her being on top, and if he decided to exert an effort he would suffocate her the whole time and until she practically turned blue and was to weak to even scratch him. the idea lost it's appeal...he was up at the buttcrack of dawn anyways, tweeking and delivering newspapers, she didn't have friends to gush about him too, he would roll up to their houses at 4;00 in the morning and talk shit about don't fucking disrespect me and call my fucking wife. he was never clear about HOW she disrespected him, but she did, though nothing disrespected him enough to retain a detail ever, though he sought revenge in petty ways for it. like sleep deprivation, and throwing holds on my bank accounts because he wasn't about to have his wife leave him when he didnt' do shit... see where i'm going with this...

fuck. i'd think his wife was a bitch too if I heard his side, and I'd tell her to run and hide if i heard hers. well I can't say i have an opinion both ways because everyone's got a self serving bias, it's intrinsic, no one runs around fucking themselves off without facing the consequences it'd be like saying yeah, i choose option B because i am a failure or strive to become one. i enjoy ignorance and confusion, it works for me.

get a dictionary. sorry to be rude but blah two sides of each story blah blah i mean, advice is more useful when the misunderstanding is exposed. because when it's not...

wait, i just realized I am a bitch... i'll be waiting at the state prison gates for him. I'm gonna be a better person from here on out! g2g

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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 6:20:22 AM   
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<fast reply>

Its your house and you want him to leave?? call the police and show them "HIS" stash..then ask them to escort him from the property. Change the locks, pack his crap, and say goodbye...Then start rebuilding a life.

For the one who said if she sold her house once to move and could repurchase again..you might want to check and see what this effect may have on her credit...its not as easy as you might make it sound. She also may not have much equity built up in the new place.

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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 7:39:44 AM   
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seriously move on. it will only get worse - like he will find an even more drug addicted girlfriend on the side but continue to string you along. trust me I KNOW.
and i agree w/RedSavageSlave. get the guy arrested DO NOT LOOK BACK!


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RE: confused sub - 11/23/2006 2:59:35 PM   
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"courage and commitment to YOUR value".....c'mon girl i know you can do this....quit making excuses, kick him out, and if need be call his mom and a moving truck...i dont agree you should call the police though, they have a way of complicating everything and you dont want to be a nark..but your certainly could threaten him with it.

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RE: confused sub - 11/24/2006 2:59:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fireflyred

quote:

Public msg boards are where fellow lifestylers can get unbiased advice generally not available anywhere else. 


unbiased meaning, the opinion of a single side of the story?

No, unbiased as to the advice offered *TO* that single side of the story; you know, from us strangers who have no emotional investment in the relationship, problem or its eventual outcome!  It really shoulda been easier to understand my meaning *before* you deleted the rest of the passage you quoted from....

quote:

you know i knew this guy once, and his wife like, never wanted to have sex with him, and he'd take her to work even when it was at the buttcrack of dawn, she never wanted to do shit with him, wouldn't ever gush about him with any of her friends, and she would like, accuse him of being a jerk all day even though she was the one disrespecting him, i mean she wouldn't even watch tv with him, and she always made a big old scene like he was fucking abusing her or some shit. it really was because she still loved her ex. she was a bitch.

fair and balanced, ...

wifey never wanted to have sex with him because he never compromised about her being on top, and if he decided to exert an effort he would suffocate her the whole time and until she practically turned blue and was to weak to even scratch him. the idea lost it's appeal...he was up at the buttcrack of dawn anyways, tweeking and delivering newspapers, she didn't have friends to gush about him too, he would roll up to their houses at 4;00 in the morning and talk shit about don't fucking disrespect me and call my fucking wife. he was never clear about HOW she disrespected him, but she did, though nothing disrespected him enough to retain a detail ever, though he sought revenge in petty ways for it. like sleep deprivation, and throwing holds on my bank accounts because he wasn't about to have his wife leave him when he didnt' do shit... see where i'm going with this...

fuck. i'd think his wife was a bitch too if I heard his side, and I'd tell her to run and hide if i heard hers. well I can't say i have an opinion both ways because everyone's got a self serving bias, it's intrinsic, no one runs around fucking themselves off without facing the consequences it'd be like saying yeah, i choose option B because i am a failure or strive to become one. i enjoy ignorance and confusion, it works for me.

get a dictionary. sorry to be rude but blah two sides of each story blah blah i mean, advice is more useful when the misunderstanding is exposed. because when it's not...

As for the "fair and balanced" tale you've regaled here; suffice to say the most common advice we strangers offer in the lifestyle or on these msg boards is..... <drum roll>.... "COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION, COMMUNICATION!"  Wonder why...! 
 
Oh, wait, you're also advocating (along with MasterKinLA) that only topics featuring both sides of any difference be posted?  And you're both from Las Vegas, too, how cute....  Re the 'ps' in his post, you wouldn't be watching his back now, would ya?  <wink>
quote:

wait, i just realized I am a bitch... i'll be waiting at the state prison gates for him. I'm gonna be a better person from here on out! g2g

I can do sarcasm too, that's why my favourite bumper sticker is "Hire a teenager NOW - while they still know everything!"
 
Focus.

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