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MagiksSlave -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/21/2006 10:39:26 PM)
I bet a man wrote that!!! LOL Magik's slave

slavemaia -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/21/2006 11:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali Do we get to wear the frilly apron too? Now i see what you were talking about - hee hee -

ownedjulia -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 12:25:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave I bet a man wrote that!!! LOL Magik's slave I'm hoping a Master wrote it and yes it does appeal to me but the realities of modern life are such that i have to work as well but i do try to stay faithful to most of the points raised in the article.

Lady Alaria -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 2:16:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SamKeithsslave quote: ORIGINAL: Lady Alaria Stop 'fighting nature'? EEK! This type of argument has been used, over and over, to justify burning sexual deviants at the stake(And in a modern context, _you_ are a sexual deviant). Please think about the language you are using. Okay its this type of responses that I would fear I'd get from Vanilla people in my life if I expressed my preferences to them. hmm. This was in response, not to you(who seems fairly reasonable about this after all), but to daddysprop. She made mention of women being happier if they stopped 'fighting nature' and were all submissive. All but a few 'exceptions' for female dominants. The stop fighting nature bit irks me, in the extreme. quote: quote: Women's lib gave us the choice. Whatever works for you is(mostly) ok. Why only mostly ok? I am not trying to say it should always be ok, just clarifying what you mean, thanks. Sadly, not all consensual choices are acceptable in the world today. At least not universally. This is all I meant here. Not that things shouldn't be ok, just that they aren't. Despite women's lib and sexual liberation and the like. quote: quote: Sure, some people will bash you, but people do that. They'll find a reason. Particularly if you go looking for something to be offended about. But before you say things would be so much better in the good old days, try and picture what life would be like for you if the reverse gender roles were the norm, and mandated by law. A lot of people would love that too. Not so sure you would. Yes, some people do bash, I have noticed that. I dont look for offense, but have to say being akin to being burnt at the stake etc isnt exactly friendly LOL [:D] I dont think the gender roles should be Male = Dom and Woman = sub, clearly that doesnt always work. But I do believe there is a lot to be said for there being one of each in a relationship. hmm....Wasn't exactly clear here. I meant that if one goes looking to be insulted, generally one will be. There is always going to be someone out there that disapproves of ones choices. And sometimes it will affect you, even if you don't go looking for it. But the stigma against lifestyle D/s is nothing like the stigma was 50-100 years ago against powerful women who were dominant in their relationship, nevermind the men(or worse, women) who served them. The bashing a submissive D/s woman gets from vanilla folks is still probably far less than that received by male subs, for the simple reason that this 1950's household idea(and patriarchy in general) still has a strong hold on the underlying subconscious of our society. Even in polite, liberal society.

Lady Alaria -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 2:26:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 what i DO long for is to be in a culture, or be transported back to a time where gender roles and marital values were clearly defined and there wasn't so much of this, "it's all good...we're all equal...do what you wanna do" attitude. one reason i can never be a feminist is because feminism is in great part about a woman's right to CHOOSE her lot in life, and for me i can't fully embrace something if it's just a choice, like mustard over ketchup. i find comfort in there being a "Way", for lack of a better term. i did not CHOOSE to be submissive...i just am. just as my Master did not choose to be Dominant...he just is. personally, i need more stability than can be had with the "choice" concept. I realize you did not CHOOSE to be submissive. Realize then, that I did not CHOOSE to be dominant. And male subs didn't choose either. Again, remember that they make up a _huge_ portion of the bdsm scene. There is a "Way". You've found it. It just requires you to stand up and say "I am a submissive/slave woman, I seek a Master. These <list> are what I need in a relationship.". Feel lucky you have that OPTION. In a world with rigidly defined gender roles, you might find yourself unlucky enough to be one of the ones who's needs are _not_ met. Because that is where everyone who didn't fit the maledom model(a whole lot of us btw) would be in your world of clearly defined gender roles and marital values.

katie7 -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 5:28:46 AM)
"katie, I'm glad to see that works for you, but in what way do you see that as gender separation and not just your individual needs? I personally have no need or desire to serve and be kept under someone's thumb. My boy's world revolves around me (his words) and we like it that way." My apologies Lady Serahina, I was being gender bias and completly caught up in sub/Dom world and not thinking of my fellow male subs and their loving Dommes, and our varying life circumstances and needs. That was a careless and thoughtless remark. I have been in a vanilla relationships before where I worked 60 hrs a week with a new baby and kept home, but it just created a lot of anamosity with my then partner as what was expected of me was far too great for me to cope with. I have realistic expectations that work for me now with someone who actaually helps with the auspicious task of raising my child unlike her father. I am indeed a very lucky sub.

Sinergy -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 5:53:28 AM)
quote: Yeah, one of the less fortunate effects of women's lib. In the attempt to make it possible for a woman to work(and make equal pay), it's become all but a requirement, for men and women alike. Women's liberation didnt really "cause" anything. It was simply half the population standing up and going "can we vote too?" and then later "can we have sex with whoever and however we feel best suits us?" What happened was that after World War 2, the men came home from the war to women who had supported the war effort by working in factories and insisted she return to the 1950s (or Victorian) housewife that she was before the war. And women, having gotten a taste for freedom, the joys of working, outside interests, etc., decided it might be nice to continue working. So many did. What the economy did with all this extra money being earned was to increase the price for things. Housing prices went up. Food prices went up. All because two income families became normative. An example of what I am talking about can be seen in Silicone Valley. People earned 250k a year working for Yahoo. So houses went from $300k to $1.5M in the space of 10 or so years. Same house. Only difference was the cost went up because of market forces. Then in the late 1960s and 1970s, with the growth of the "me" generation, people started questioning the whole staying together / death do us part paradigm, and relationships started crumbling. Of course, prices didnt go down much even though the two income family started to become less and less common. Here in California we are starting to see that trend change as houses selling for $800k (that 5 years ago were $200k) are sitting on the market for over a year and no buyers in sight. Market forces. The only thing that Feminist Theory did, in my opinion, was to ask the question about whether life could be lived in a different way than people were living it. Just me, etc. Sinergy

sophia37 -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 5:55:01 AM)
This is too much. Okie doke. You all then, can just go right out and try it. Fantasy's are great. Reality though, becomes a bit more problematic. Sure sure. Your desire is to serve. Who needs thanks for a job well done? Nobody! For the first few years maybe. But the whole give give give, leads people to take take take. And what about the example you're setting for your children? The whole ideal is wonderful. The man apprciates you and never forgets to tell you just how much. Its an endless TV show of goodness and light. The kids are laying you low, but volia! The moment he steps thru the door, your there! Dressed in fuck me clothes besides! Heels candles, let me rub your feet! Aint gonna happen more than just a few times in this world. And THAT is why we have broadened our views to some extent. To include different dynamics. Its sort of like that whole 100 rule tenent that floats aound on this site, some man wrote up to establish slavery or submissiveness for women. Its unworkable for daily living.

losttreasure -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 6:08:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy What the economy did with all this extra money being earned was to increase the price for things. Housing prices went up. Food prices went up. All because two income families became normative. I was wondering if someone was going to point this out. Thank you. [;)]

caitlyn -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 6:09:58 AM)
I would be a 50's wife in an instant. I don't think it would work these days, because most of the guys you meet with similar value sets, are on the extreme. When this sort of relationship was in the mainstream, you had a wider pool of mainstream guys to choose from, and didn't have competition from all the girls out there that are making major financial contributions to the family.

Hisgirlforever -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 6:51:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sophia37 Sure sure. Your desire is to serve. Who needs thanks for a job well done? Nobody! For the first few years maybe. But the whole give give give, leads people to take take take. And what about the example you're setting for your children? This is not a one-sided relationship were only one person is giving. I get thanks for taking care of my husband, by him going to work and having to be away from our home for 8+ hours a day. I get thanks, by my husband giving me the delicious spankings in the morning before he leaves for work to remind me to be a good girl and finish my chores. I get thanks by my husband cherishing me and bringing me gifts and flowers when he sees something that he knows will make me smile. I get thanks, by my husband looking after me when I am sick and at those times letting me lie in bed instead of do the housework and beginning me toast and milk in bed before the morning reminder spanking :) A lot of people in the Vanilla world feel that a Master/slave relationship is all one sided with the Master getting and the slave giving. This is not a way of life for everybody nor does it include everybody nor dismiss other types of relationships. I do however feel that if you are a stay at home wife and this is the arrangement you have with your husband then this is how you should behave when he comes home. Of course you should tell him what really troubles you, just not the moment he comes home. He is your husband and if you care for him he will care for you. Anyway I also feel that if you are a stay at home husband and your wife works outside of the house then I think this is probably a good way to behave when she gets home. I know that when I worked, especially full time, I would have loved to come home to a warm, friendly tidy house were the people were not telling me their every little complaint the moment I walked in the door. Oh and as far as affording it I also think that our insane desire to consume products and buy buy buy is also what makes a single income family household difficult. Our family is just becoming one income for a year at least and I am hoping forever :) Anyway I need to do some major downsizing in our spending.

SamKeithsslave -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/22/2006 2:31:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sophia37 Sure sure. Your desire is to serve. Who needs thanks for a job well done? Nobody! For the first few years maybe. But the whole give give give, leads people to take take take. And what about the example you're setting for your children? I set a great example to my children, especially my daughter after her father beat me one day in front of them both. As I cried in my bedroom, after he had gone off in the car, I called the kids to me and told my daughter to never ever allow a man to treat her the way I just allowed her father to treat me. And I backed that up by kicking his sorry ass out of the house and out of my life. I think being in a happy stable relationship where I am not being verbally, physically and mentally abused will actually be a very good example for my kids, whom are now 11 and 12. My daughter is a very string back chatting independant child, I raised her that way. I in fact deliberately set out to raise her to be able to stand up for herself and her rights and not be as I once was - a coward. FWIW I expect my Masters to give also. I expect them to give me stability, give me security (both emotionally and financially) and give me respect. The whole ideal is wonderful. The man apprciates you and never forgets to tell you just how much. Its an endless TV show of goodness and light. The kids are laying you low, but volia! The moment he steps thru the door, your there! Dressed in fuck me clothes besides! Heels candles, let me rub your feet! Did I say anything about "fuck me clothes"? No. Some Masters have liked me in jeans, some in skirts and blouses, others in dresses. My Masters know my childrens needs need to come first and realise I am not going to be prancing about the house in skimpy lingerie when they are about. Oh and I dont wear heels. And I see nothing wrong with rubbing a mans feet. I rub my kids feet and sometimes backs too after school while we watch tv. Aint gonna happen more than just a few times in this world. And THAT is why we have broadened our views to some extent. To include different dynamics. Its sort of like that whole 100 rule tenent that floats aound on this site, some man wrote up to establish slavery or submissiveness for women. Its unworkable for daily living. You really seem to be very angry, I could be wrong of course. I'm sorry if you are and I am the cause of it.

SamKeithsslave -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 1:10:55 AM)
I posted this in the humor section also, but thought it would fit here equally as well - lol http://www.glumbert.com/media/women

susie -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 3:15:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SamKeithsslave I certainly wouldnt want to be viewed as trying to negate the work many couple are doing in order to make an equal relationship work, thats not my intention. There are people making compromise work, but thats the point, its *work* I just prefer to not have to struggle with finding a way to be equal and compromise and instead just submit. I'm so much happier that way. Its just my personal opinion that equal relationships are hard work. And the compromising and sharing etc doesnt usually happen without some argument etc. I have enough stresses - LOL, dont we all? When I read this it seemed to me that you are saying that relationships where one person has submitted are not hard work. Only relationships where both parties are trying to be equal are hard work. I believe that all relationships take work and effort from both parties be they vanilla or D/s. I am a sub who has a full time job which means I am away from home from 8am to 7pm whereas my Master runs his own company and pretty much works when he wants. I would truly love to be able to do everything for him but that is just not possible and it has taken a lot of work and compromise on both our parts to make the relationship work. I certainly do not feel any less submissive because of that and I know that I do not see him as any less Dominant for the things that he does around the house.

LotusSong -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 5:28:40 AM)
The difference between Then and Now.. is that the women can CHOOSE to live th vanilla 50's style "culture". Back then, you had no choice and we seen as rather unruly if you decided not to get married, shack up (as they called it) or not have the 2.3 children to make a family. The more distance that is between what was and what is now.. causes it to take on it's own romance. The reason Feminism came to the fore was that we had no choice. NOW when a woman wants to do the vanilla '50 gig.. she ENJOYS it because that is what she wants :) But then the man has to be the 50's male.. work hard, stay with the wife and kids every night.. go to church on Sunday.. you know.. the Ward Cleaver lifestyle. (I heard he was quite an animal at times. You would often her June say "Ward?.. don't you think you're being a bit hard on the Beaver"?)

cloudboy -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 7:07:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedjulia thought this would appeal. I actually do agree with a lot of it for a slave more than a housewife! http://www.slave1.co.uk/julia/housekeeping.jpg Those days have certainly gone out the window for most American women. Now they have to work too. Many that stay home actually see that as "the sacrifice," and somehow expect the breadwinner to come home and cater to them. (I think that is very unfair.) In terms of today, I like the model of 1950s household but with one modification. Substitute breadwinner for male. My wife has the bigger job in hour home, so to compensate for that and make her life easier, I do the gocery shopping, meal planning, and cooking --- and I keep the place clean (yes, it can be drudgery.) I also have a modest law practice going out of the home to supplement our income. This is good, for it does afford one a modicum of independent worth, which is important to one's esteem. (This was lacking for women in the 1950s.) In my view, the breadwinner is the God or Goddess.

Missokyst -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 9:23:57 AM)
LOL... I think I peed from laughing. Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: SamKeithsslave I posted this in the humor section also, but thought it would fit here equally as well - lol http://www.glumbert.com/media/women

akisha -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 10:02:24 AM)
Nice idea but pretty much impossible to do in todays world, with both adults working. They get home about the same time then figure out who is taking which child to what ever practice or game they have that day, and hope they have time to eat something other then fast food [:o]

Renorei -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 10:07:12 AM)
Ugh. The idea of strict, rigid, inflexible gender roles is repulsive. Barf.

SamKeithsslave -> RE: 1950's Housewife (11/26/2006 1:19:21 PM)
I had to watch a couple times, cos I kept laughing over bits and not hearing them. lol quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst LOL... I think I peed from laughing. Kyst quote: ORIGINAL: SamKeithsslave I posted this in the humor section also, but thought it would fit here equally as well - lol http://www.glumbert.com/media/women

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