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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 2:16:50 PM   
kateygirl


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But do most people have a list of "must haves" for the relationship as well? or is it strictly "limited" (lol) to



Several years ago when i was struggling with a relationship a Dom friend had me sit down and list all of my wants in one column and my needs in another. "Needs" were deal breakers, something i could not possibly enter or continue a relationship without.  "Wants" were things that would be very nice to have, but i could probably live without.  Every day i was to read the list again and move things from one column to the other as i rethought all of them.  i could also add new things if i felt that i had left something off.   Finally after a week i had what came down to a pretty good list of Wants and Needs.   It looked nothing like it had when i began the exercise and that surprised me.   

Thanks for reminding me of the list.   i have filed it away.  If i had used it in my last relationship, it might have had a different outcome. 

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 2:30:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

I entered into the "Flip side to limits thread" with a totally different Idea of what I would read. So instead of hijacking that thread (as it seems to be going well) I thought I would just post a new one.
Everyone talks about limits. Soft limits, hard limits etc. But do most people have a list of "must haves" for the relationship as well? or is it strictly "limited" (lol) to limits, and everything else is just there as a basic enjoyment?


i had alot of "must haves" when i first met my Master. *sits with egg on her face*. Fortunately for me i have this incredibly wise Master who kept reminding me to focus on U/us and not the fantasies swirling around in my head. So another list for the shredder. Personally i feel like the "must haves" are the Dominants' prerrogative.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 5:11:30 PM   
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I had to feel his power, and I had to know I could trust him in all areas.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 6:10:28 PM   
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It was important that I find someone that had a basic enjoyment of giving me pain. If they were not really into that I did not want them. Some that I talked to said they would beat me for my enjoyment, but to be honest that idea did nothing for me, I wanted them to enjoy it on some level. I was right in this "BDSM must have" because as a masochist there is a bonding that occurs between me and the person causing me pain that I do not think could occur unless it was a mutual enjoyment. He gets his top space from my reactions to being struck.. it is plainly speaking a synergy that takes place between us.

The other "must haves" would apply no matter if I were vanilla or Ds.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 6:11:56 PM   
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Yep, certain things are non negotiable and unchanging. 

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 9:29:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MercilessMarcy

Intelligence.  You can't fix stupid.


Sure you can.. Its called a high speed trans-ocipital lead implant.

On a more serious note, I'm loving everyones replies.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/22/2006 10:28:18 PM   
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I don't believe in must haves, but I do have a few "highly prefered". I can't expect every submissive to have a blood fetish, but I think choking and face slapping you can at least try. 

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/23/2006 6:53:19 AM   
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- fast reply -

To the OP, I answered this about compatibility in the other Limits thread, beyond just a physical attraction. However, the "must haves" are basic human needs in terms of morals and ethics, as well as goals in life. If those things aren't in line, nothing is going to work.

If we're just speaking on a "kink" level, as long as the woman understands the dynamic of Maledom/femslave and the concepts of obedience and service, then I think things will work.

In a purely "relationship" sense, she has to be compatible with an extended family and understand the needs of a stock car driver.

Those last two bits are probably the hardest. *chuckle*

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EO

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/23/2006 7:47:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

I entered into the "Flip side to limits thread" with a totally different Idea of what I would read. So instead of hijacking that thread (as it seems to be going well) I thought I would just post a new one.
Everyone talks about limits. Soft limits, hard limits etc. But do most people have a list of "must haves" for the relationship as well? or is it strictly "limited" (lol) to limits, and everything else is just there as a basic enjoyment?

Intelligence and humor are the two things that are must haves for me.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/23/2006 5:18:16 PM   
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There are probably more must haves than limits for me. Most of which have been covered by other folks already I think.

must be compatible outside the d/s aspects, enjoy similar/complimentary other pastimes and life goals etc.
intelligence/common sense

Most of all they must have a basic security within themself and know their own wants, needs and desires.

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RE: Yet another filp side to limits - 11/24/2006 3:27:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

I entered into the "Flip side to limits thread" with a totally different Idea of what I would read. So instead of hijacking that thread (as it seems to be going well) I thought I would just post a new one.
Everyone talks about limits. Soft limits, hard limits etc. But do most people have a list of "must haves" for the relationship as well? or is it strictly "limited" (lol) to limits, and everything else is just there as a basic enjoyment?


'Howdy' from down here in Texas!
Indeed I'd say that I have a list of of 'Must Haves' or more likely a list what some might say are a list of 'Cannot Live Withs' that I feel are critical to me.   They're more in terms of general relationship categories than anything I'd call D/s or BDSM related.  I believe that above all, I must be flexible and look at the big picture and not be too rigid in my expectations or look for a 'perfect match' as I'm not even close to perfect myself, nor is it fair of me to expect another to be perfect, in any sense of what perfect might mean to either them or to me!

I have my list of 'dealbreakers' that I know are important to me.  For example I'm a non-smoker and couldn't be around a woman who was a smoker where I had to breathe her second hand smoke.   I wouldn't feel it appropriate to ask her to quit just so she could be with me.  After all, who knows how long that would last, and I know that in reality she really needs to do it for herself!  Of most importance to me, I have 2 daughters in my life that need their father and are a part of the package that is included with me as far as I'm concerned.  They already have a mother and aren't in need of another as well.  Yet they still need their father and a woman in his life who is willing to share him with the two of them whenever they're around.  They also need to know they're always welcome wherever we should be.  It would be nice if she could make an effort to become their friend as well (it would be a plus for me as their biggest fear is that I'll eventually marry 'Cinderella's Stepmother' ).  But any woman who couldn't allow them to be a part of my life and me to continue to be the father that they need, would absolutely have no chance with me!   Those are just two quick examples of the 'biggies' I can list that are minimums for me.  

The minimum requirements, to me are rather self evident, but perhaps that is because of my age and experience.  At 20, I don't think I had the wisdom to think in the same terms of what I particularly needed from a partner in the manner that I can today.  There are certain particular traits, that I can readily spot which immediately tell me, a woman isn't for me.  I didn't have the maturity when I was much younger to watch a woman's behavior and see how she behaved toward others to tell me whether or not, I'd want to be with her.  For me, if she is rude to others, she's not the kind of woman, that I'd be attracted to.  If she couldn't show basic respect to others, how would I determine, that she'd be able to show the kind of respect for me that I'd want from her as well?  So, on many different levels, there are a number of criteria that I look for, many of which others have already mentioned. 

One of the most important to me, is the ability to negotiate and reach a compromise.  I'm certain that many will disagree and say that it should be only the Dom/mes way.  But perhaps I live in a different reality than some.  There are things that have nothing to do with D/s that also have everything to do with one's happiness.  Being with somone who is willing to create what I refer to as "win-win" situtions, is very important to me.  No one has to lose and both can feel as though they've won as least a tiny bit of something that helps them both to get their needs met.  This is a skill that's learned and greatly helps couples to get along without feeling resentments of any kind.  I've been with those who didn't possess this skill at all as well as those who do.   When not in the playroom, and living day to day, its something I'd find difficult to live without.  Life is just so much easier when that's the attitude and both want to share & give to the other to see that the best is there for each other to experience.

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