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slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 3:15:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave This subject is one of the most intriguing incidents that has occurred in my lifetime I always thought that at the very least, elements of the Dallas Police were involved. How did they "pick up" Oswald so quickly. I believe it is true that Oswald returned home to change his clothes and then , if it was him, appeared to have a rendez-vous with Tippet, which ended with the Police Officer being shot. I don't think that Oswald killed Tippet, there is no way in my opinion that he could have gotten from the 6th floor of the depository to 10th and patton st. in a matter of a few minutes. I don't recall anything about him going home and changing his clothes either, but I could be wrong, but if he did, that it is even more unbelievable that he killed Tippet. As far as the Dallas police having anything to do with it, I will have to think about that for a bit, as I am unsure. I never thought about it from that aspect before. With regard to the shooting, why did Oswald wait until the motorcade had passed directly in front of him, turned to his right and was partially obscured by trees before he began to fire.if he was the ONLY assassin. Many people thought something had occured on the Grassy Knoll and in fact a Police Officer rode his Motor Cycle in that direction. There are films in existence pointing towards the Book Depository from the direction of the street that required a left turn to wher Kennedy was shot. Always when broad cast these films are cut short. I wonder why? I am going to review this before I respond. ~aurora~

slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 3:21:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: slaveaurora What post assasination activities are you talking about specifically? just curious. ~aurora~ Specifically the way the autopsy was conducted and the unbelievable rulings by the coroner. I've always had a little, ok a lot of, trouble with the claim that the large wound on the back of JFK's skull was the entry wound and the much smaller wound was where the "magic" bullet exited his skull. I used to be a hunter and am a combat veteran and have never seen an animal or human where the entry wound from a bullet was larger than the exit wound. Then of course is Jack Ruby and how he was in position to kill Oswald. Ruby's connections to both organized crime and the FBI are well documented. You are absolutely right about this, and i have also looked at many of the autopsy photos and wondered the same thing. I am originally from Pennsylvania, and everyone in my family hunted, so I too know what entrance and exit wounds look like. Being also in the medical field, I have seen gun shot wounds in the ER, and they don't look like the autopsy photos. Much of the photos and other evidence is missing, or was never collected properly, and I always thought it was a hurry up job to close the case, blame Oswald and be done with it. Ditto on Jack Ruby- I agree totally. ~aurora~

seeksfemslave -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 4:12:24 PM)
A bulletin was issued by the Dallas Police approximately 1 oclock Dallas time describing someone resembling Oswald. This was before it was positively established that Oswald was not present at the Book Depository. I actually have a photo of a Police Officer holding up the alleged weapon Oswald used. It is not a Mannlicher-Carchano which was finally agreed was the weapon used, possibly because Oswald owned it. The weapon used has been proven to be incapable of firing the 3 shots in the time , it is only just possible to operate the bolt in the short time scale. Also hidden in the Warren report was the fact the 'scope on the rifle was not set up correctly. Why did all the interrogation records Oswald/Dallas police disappear. Many many questions exist about the assasination. Will come out eventually I expect Do you recall Nixon letting slip in a live broadcast words to the effect...if we knew then what we know now we would never have accepted the Warren Report. It was the Tippet shooting that directed the police to the area where Oswald was located in a Film Theatre. very odd that ! All of Kennedy's brains and part of his skull were found behind his car and one police officer was spattered , he was riding behind the President's car. The Zapruder film after release by the FBI had been doctored , either frames removed or interchanged to alter the event sequence. If one bullet followed the convoluted trajectory this could easily be dis proven be releasing Kennedey's clothes to show the bullet holes. The back entry hole is too low for the bullet to have gone on and struck Connolly. A doctor at Parkland had to be "persuaded" to change his view as to whether one of the wounds was an entry or exit or vice versa. What the Doc. first thought pointed to a shot from the front.

seeksfemslave -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 4:39:25 PM)
One ginormous question regarding the Dallas Police. How did Ruby get into the Police Station to be in a position to shoot Oswald. From memory the time at which Oswald was to be moved had been changed at the last minute. As also had the route of the motorcade, to turn right, approach the Book Depository, left and then on to the Stemmons freeway. Ruby is on film saying that he cant say much while held locked up in Dallas but if he could be moved he would reveal what he knew.

UtopianRanger -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 5:05:09 PM)
quote: This show appeared on the BBC yesterday. Did anyone see it? It looked good; had a client /customer of mine record it for me. I'll Probably watch it Sunday night. Don't have time to write a bunch now about my theory regarding the magic bullet.....but I'll just say briefly that it could of been one or all of three things behind JFK's assassination : 1 } Kennedy's planned pull-out of the Vietnam war 2} Kennedy's decision to dump the federal reserve system and a full fledge return to a sovereign currency / Brenton woods, that bypasses oligarchical financier /banking cartels. 3} Kennedy's reluctance to a full scale invasion of Cuba This is a great TOC - R

LTRsubNW -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:02:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Hard to believe it's been 43 years since Dallas. And lets not forget Bobby! quote: DID CIA KILL BOBBY KENNEDY? In 1968, Robert Kennedy seemed likely to follow his brother, John, into the White House. Then, on June 6, he was assassinated - apparently by a lone gunman. But Shane O'Sullivan says he has evidence implicating three CIA agents in the murder. Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1952393,00.html This show appeared on the BBC yesterday. Did anyone see it? I saw something on the TV the other night that was effectively questioning whether sirhan sirhan actually did the shooting. They discussed the angle of the bullet, how many times Bobby would have had to have moved this way and that way to have caused the bullet to have gone in as it did...(which, of course, "it couldn't have", according to every freaking analyst and his motherfreakin brother).... Now...let me just get this straight; The cameras were rolling, Bobby was right there, there were 900 gabillion people around him, no one else had a gun, cameras were ablaze (I should add...in case it wasn't entirely clear...CAMERAS WERE ABLAZING)...Sirhan Sirhan was the waiter...he brought the drinks AND the bullet. Done. Enough with the fucking Kennedy conspiracy shit...John...there's a big question....there's even a question as to whether or not Sirhan Sirhan was a shill.... But he fucking shot him! It's on film! E-fucking-nuff!

LTRsubNW -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:07:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave One ginormous question regarding the Dallas Police. How did Ruby get into the Police Station to be in a position to shoot Oswald. From memory the time at which Oswald was to be moved had been changed at the last minute. As also had the route of the motorcade, to turn right, approach the Book Depository, left and then on to the Stemmons freeway. Ruby is on film saying that he cant say much while held locked up in Dallas but if he could be moved he would reveal what he knew. He got in to the police station the same way terrorists got into airplanes as late as 2001. The world was different back then. (Why the fuck do people spend so much endless effort on this shit? The unions probably killed Kennedy because of the whole steel thing {do your research...Kennedy froze steel prices...oh let's see now...7 months before he got shot? Hmmmm...Who was Mr Steel? Could that have been Hoffa?....and pissed off more than a lot of people}) Get the fuck over it. He was killed by unions/the Russians/the Mob/Castro...whatever. You ain't gonna solve it.

sissifytoserve -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW E-fucking-nuff! NOPE. Not going to happen. Not untill ALL the facts are in. Same goes for 9-11.

slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave A bulletin was issued by the Dallas Police approximately 1 oclock Dallas time describing someone resembling Oswald. This was before it was positively established that Oswald was not present at the Book Depository. To my knowledge, it has NOT been positively established that Oswald was not present in the book depository. In fact NOTHING has been proven. I actually have a photo of a Police Officer holding up the alleged weapon Oswald used. It is not a Mannlicher-Carchano which was finally agreed was the weapon used, possibly because Oswald owned it. The weapon used has been proven to be incapable of firing the 3 shots in the time , it is only just possible to operate the bolt in the short time scale. I am not sure I agree with this. It has been "demonstrated" that it was possible to operate the bolt and fire the gun 3 times in 6 seconds. Also hidden in the Warren report was the fact the 'scope on the rifle was not set up correctly. Why did all the interrogation records Oswald/Dallas police disappear. Many many questions exist about the assasination. Will come out eventually I expect Do you recall Nixon letting slip in a live broadcast words to the effect...if we knew then what we know now we would never have accepted the Warren Report. It was the Tippet shooting that directed the police to the area where Oswald was located in a Film Theatre. very odd that ! All of Kennedy's brains and part of his skull were found behind his car and one police officer was spattered , he was riding behind the President's car. This is true. There was actually a skull fragment found 120 ft. behind Kennedy, and one found approximately 60ft. in front of him. The Zapruder film after release by the FBI had been doctored , either frames removed or interchanged to alter the event sequence. This is theory, and has not been proven. If one bullet followed the convoluted trajectory this could easily be dis proven be releasing Kennedey's clothes to show the bullet holes. The back entry hole is too low for the bullet to have gone on and struck Connolly. A doctor at Parkland had to be "persuaded" to change his view as to whether one of the wounds was an entry or exit or vice versa. What the Doc. first thought pointed to a shot from the front. I just want to remind you that there has never been anything "PROVEN". It is all theory, and everyone has their own, about what happened. That is what makes it a conspiracy, and so debatable. I have my doubts that the truth will ever come out, and this topic will be debated for years to come. There are so called "experts" out there who have done tons of research, picked apart the pictures and films, and gone to great lengths to prove whatever it is they are trying to prove. Bottom line is, nothing has ever been proven. Great debate though! :) ~aurora~

slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:29:15 PM)
quote: But he fucking shot him! It's on film! It is not on film. There is nothing on film showing who shot who. In fact, it is doubtful that Sirhan shot Bobby, because Sirhan was in front of Bobby, and the wound was in the back of his head. Also he was shot at close range, powder burns on the back of his head were found, and Sirhan never got that close. I don't want to come off as rude.... but if you hate this topic, and are sick of the debate, why read it, and why bother to respond? Because it is going to be debated for years. ~aurora~

slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:38:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave One ginormous question regarding the Dallas Police. How did Ruby get into the Police Station to be in a position to shoot Oswald. From memory the time at which Oswald was to be moved had been changed at the last minute. As also had the route of the motorcade, to turn right, approach the Book Depository, left and then on to the Stemmons freeway. Ruby is on film saying that he cant say much while held locked up in Dallas but if he could be moved he would reveal what he knew. You are correct. Moving Oswald was delayed, and the route was changed. My theory...(here we go with the theories again) is that Ruby did plan to kill Oswald, but I don't think he had a time and place worked out. He actually left his house with his dog, went to the post office to mail off some money to one of his strippers, and then walked up the street to the jail. I think that it was coincidence that he got there just in time to see Oswald being taken out of the building, and he decided right then that the opportunity was right, and he just did it, spur of the moment reaction. Had Oswald not been delayed, he would have been gone by the time Ruby got there, so I don't believe it was planned to happen when it did. There is no way Ruby would have known the time had been changed. Just my opinion. ~rubbing hands together... this is so fun~ ~aurora~

mnottertail -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:39:41 PM)
I am the same............ If he was shot from the depository, there was all day and a couple extra hours to get him coming head on before the turn, at real low speed. The logic of waiting to turn the corner has no bearing on reality, Dealey is not as big as it looks on TV, a neck down with lotsa places to have a straight on and get the fuck outta dodge. No other possible reason, and me know how, but the question is who? Ron

LTRsubNW -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 6:53:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveaurora The Zapruder film after release by the FBI had been doctored , either frames removed or interchanged to alter the event sequence. This is such a complete hoot. I swear you conspiracy theorists need to get a life. The Zapruder family has the original copy, they never released the negatives, each frame has been "originated", verified and proven to be intact and in fact, as it was shot. There may have been several gunmen (probably were), Oswald may have in fact been a patsy (probably was), and there may have been more than multiple conspiricies...but seriously people....honest to God....

slaveaurora -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 7:03:54 PM)
quote: The Zapruder family has the original copy, they never released the negatives, each frame has been "originated", verified and proven to be intact and in fact, as it was shot. I am hitting the rewind button in my mind and trying to recall what I remember about this.... I am not going to positively say your wrong, or right. But it seems to me that the Zapruder family turned over the original copy of the tape, and they do not have the original. In fact if my memory serves me right, the negatives are in the national archives, and they, ( the Zapruders) within the last couple of years, turned over the rights to the film. I think I may have to go digging into this to find out for sure. ~aurora~

LTRsubNW -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 7:48:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveaurora quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave One ginormous question regarding the Dallas Police. How did Ruby get into the Police Station to be in a position to shoot Oswald. From memory the time at which Oswald was to be moved had been changed at the last minute. As also had the route of the motorcade, to turn right, approach the Book Depository, left and then on to the Stemmons freeway. Ruby is on film saying that he cant say much while held locked up in Dallas but if he could be moved he would reveal what he knew. You are correct. Moving Oswald was delayed, and the route was changed. My theory...(here we go with the theories again) is that Ruby did plan to kill Oswald, but I don't think he had a time and place worked out. He actually left his house with his dog, went to the post office to mail off some money to one of his strippers, and then walked up the street to the jail. I think that it was coincidence that he got there just in time to see Oswald being taken out of the building, and he decided right then that the opportunity was right, and he just did it, spur of the moment reaction. Had Oswald not been delayed, he would have been gone by the time Ruby got there, so I don't believe it was planned to happen when it did. There is no way Ruby would have known the time had been changed. Just my opinion. ~rubbing hands together... this is so fun~ ~aurora~ Ruby planned his killing of Oswald. In all the years that he was in prison, he never once gave up the ghost. If it had been happenstance he'd have eventually said "Oooops".

sissifytoserve -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 8:06:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW This is such a complete hoot. I swear you conspiracy theorists need to get a life. Ive got news for you. The world is round. You won't fall off the the face of the Earth if you sail the ocean. [8\|][8\|][8\|][8\|]

subfever -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 10:33:16 PM)
There's little doubt in my mind who was behind the assassination: http://www.fdrs.org/executive_order_11110.html

subfever -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/22/2006 10:38:40 PM)
Lincoln too: http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/pres.htm

seeksfemslave -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/23/2006 1:05:41 AM)
Slaveaurora: You say that nothing about the assassination has been proven. It has been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever that the Warren report was I think you Americans say a "snow" job. It chose to emphasise from all the hearings and evidence only those facts that pointed to the conclusion it wanted to project. Whats more it used as investigative agencies those who subsequently came under suspicion of being involved. CIA/FBI. This does NOT mean that say the whole of the CIA was involved. Just some "high up" elements making use of CIA resources,that is all that is required. As an example of Warren Report selectivity,No credible evidence that shots were fired from the grassy knoll. Totally untrue, Police Officer rides M/cycle towards the knoll. Plenty of film showing people pointing towards the knoll as a source of the shots..

seeksfemslave -> RE: JFK assasination 2nd gunman studied (11/23/2006 1:16:01 AM)
slaveaurora: You have completely missed the point about the first police bulletin broadcast describing a suspect that resembled Oswald. It was necessary to carry out body counts in the Book Depository to establish who was or was not there AFTER the shooting. This took time, at least half hour or so. It was before or at least suspiciously close to the time at which this count was completed that the bulliein was broadcast. Whats more Oswald was not the only person "missing" In fact when one Police Officer entered the building he got someone to identify Oswald on the SECOND floor drinking a coke. Oswald did return to his lodgings, change his jacket, so the description in the police bulletin should not have been accurate anyway, possibly pick up a gun and.......go to "MEET" Tippet. I dont know.

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