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sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:02:45 AM   
wulfe


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Status: offline 		Looking through various profiles i saw a large number of P/people are bisexual, which made me wonder if there are so many more bisexuals in BDSM then irl. If i recall correctly about 10% of the population is gay or lesbian, and about 5% bi. But acording to the profiles maybe as much as half is bi. Could i please have Y/you opinions about this?
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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:11:55 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		The fact that they have already "come out' as being kinky leads to greater honest in something less stigmatized than kink in many cases.
The 10% gay figure I can buy into, the only 5% bi I don't, mostly a matter of the definition of bisexual used for the surveys vs the functional definition today.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:16:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well considering that most people into bdsm have very open minds, I would venture to guess that many who are truely bi-sexual arn't hiding it anymore.

I think the amont of people who are at least bi-curious is actually quite higher than many believe.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:25:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don’t know. I think a lot of people say they are bi because it’s the thing to do this decade. I’m not saying there are no bisexuals in the lifestyle, I just have to wonder why sooooo many especially girls are now bi.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:29:12 AM   
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I don’t know. I think a lot of people say they are bi because it’s the thing to do this decade. I’m not saying there are no bisexuals in the lifestyle, I just have to wonder why sooooo many especially girls are now bi.

Well also keep in mind that it is considered more socially acceptable for girls to be bisexual than guys. So social conditioning may play a factor in that.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 10:52:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems to me that homosexuality, several years back, was often debated on whether or not it was genetic or a choice of the person. I assume this was basically done with the general idea that homosexuality is wrong, but many of those who were pro-homosexuality felt that a good argument was "well if I was born this way, it can't be wrong".

Now...I don't hear this discussion on whether homosexuality is inborn or decision much any more. I think (and certainly don't know) that most are straying more towards the idea that it's a choice and it's an acceptable choice. Once we get to that idea, then the choice to have sexual relations with either gender is actually very easy to make.

Now, yes, I believe those inthe BDSM realm are probably more often bisexual than those in everyday life, but they're also more often everything dealing with sex. I think bisexuality, in general though, is rapidly increasing in all parts of society, and given time a "straight" person will be the odd man out.


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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 11:05:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where did you get that information that 5% of the population identify as bisexual? I've never seen that before. The 10% figure comes from the Kinsey Report.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 11:09:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is to date, no empirical evidence that sexuality (homo or hetero) is genetic. 

There are a plethora of bisexual women today vs. 20 years ago.  Is this because women feel there is a greater acceptance of their sexuality?  or, is it because women know that a vast majority of men have fantasies about having sex with two or more bisexual women, and they feel that claiming bisexuality makes them more attractive to potential or current partners?

Having been in the BDSM and swinger community for a few years now, I have seen evidence of both.  There are women that are truly interested in having sex with other women and feel comfortable in exploring that path. Being your authentic self and having no inhibitions about expressing and exploring your desires is a wonderful freedom.  I applaude these women, good for you!

There are women who have no real interest in being with another woman but are willing to do so to please their partner.  I have heard quite a bit of criticism of these women, but IMO, doing something that you aren't necessarily interested in, but are willing to do so for your partner's enjoyment doesn't make it wrong.  That is a wonderful gift, and not one that many can give selflessly.

Male bisexuality, unfortunately, still carries a stigma that keeps many men who are curious or outright bisexual from exploring and experiencing their true desires.  How very sad.  I love bisexual men, there is just something so hot about watching men together.  Gimme more Gay male porn!!!!



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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 11:17:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wulfe

Looking through various profiles i saw a large number of P/people are bisexual, which made me wonder if there are so many more bisexuals in BDSM then irl. If i recall correctly about 10% of the population is gay or lesbian, and about 5% bi. But acording to the profiles maybe as much as half is bi. Could i please have Y/you opinions about this?
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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 11:18:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
There are a plethora of bisexual women today vs. 20 years ago.  Is this because women feel there is a greater acceptance of their sexuality?  or, is it because women know that a vast majority of men have fantasies about having sex with two or more bisexual women, and they feel that claiming bisexuality makes them more attractive to potential or current partners?


I knew a girl in college (this was about ten years ago) who did state that she called herself bisexual in order to get men to be interested in her.
 
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress
Male bisexuality, unfortunately, still carries a stigma that keeps many men who are curious or outright bisexual from exploring and experiencing their true desires.  How very sad.  I love bisexual men, there is just something so hot about watching men together.  Gimme more Gay male porn!!!!



I actually get more social outcasting from the gay male population then I do from heterosexual women. I do tell some of my gay friends that I am gay as well just to avoid the social issolation or to avoid the lengthy discussion that is sure to follow.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 12:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess we all watch too much porn now. As women, we see women with women in porn all the time. Its either that or Paris Hilton who's making all these new rules. 

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 12:25:59 PM   
pinkkeith


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ORIGINAL: sophia37

I guess we all watch too much porn now. As women, we see women with women in porn all the time. Its either that or Paris Hilton who's making all these new rules. 


Main stream porn is marketed more to heterosexual males; that's why you see a lot of woman on woman action. There are pornographic content that is geared more towards bi/gay men and women, but it is a little harder to find.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 12:46:17 PM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		A lot of the so called bi females actually have never had a female partner, nor are they interested in one. They are willing to occasionally have sex with a female in order to please the man in their life.

I don't call that bisexual if the only reason you do it is to submit to the wishes of your dom.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 12:52:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would have never considered myself "Bi" 10 yrs ago, even though i had  appreciated  and admired, the female form and beauty since i was a teen.  Then, in my mid 30's a female friend touched me rather intimately, in a very casual yet deliberate way.  This was a major turning point for me, the electricity that passed between us, felt truly awakening.  Afterwards i began to think about it, fantasize about it.  Suffice to say, i was not dissapointed when i finally crossed that line completely.  Although my main sexual attraction remains to males.

I believe that the reason the OP found a high number of women who list bi-sexuality as an interest is probably because those of us,  who choose to live as we do, tend to be  open and accepting of their sexuality as a whole.   It is even more prevelant in vanilla society than it was years ago. I believe this is due in large part to the role that sexuality plays in  all forms of media now as opposed to years ago. 

I was slightly shocked at the number  of younger ladies i knew who had either experienced, or were vocal about wanting to experience, a bisexual encounter.   I think society  is more open, or desensitized to sexuality in general

Just a thought...



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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 1:12:38 PM   
Archer


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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

There is to date, no empirical evidence that sexuality (homo or hetero) is genetic. 



Actually I would consider thatthe finding that 60% of identicle homosexual  twins having a common gene to be emperical evidence.

Not proof positive but certainly evidence

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 1:17:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		My gf called me one day while taking a human studies course in college. They learned in that course that 5% - 10% of people are hetero only or gay only, everyone else is in a grey area of bisexual or bo curious, whether they are willing to openly admit it or not is another thing.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 1:27:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: akisha

My gf called me one day while taking a human studies course in college. They learned in that course that 5% - 10% of people are hetero only or gay only, everyone else is in a grey area of bisexual or bo curious, whether they are willing to openly admit it or not is another thing.


I have heard this quoted a lot too. It comes from the Kinsey Report.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 1:29:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wulfe

Looking through various profiles i saw a large number of P/people are bisexual, which made me wonder if there are so many more bisexuals in BDSM then irl. If i recall correctly about 10% of the population is gay or lesbian, and about 5% bi. But acording to the profiles maybe as much as half is bi. Could i please have Y/you opinions about this?
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Only 5%?!

I'd heard from one of the various Kinsey reports that the number of strictly homosexual and strictualy heterosexual is about equal; bisexuality is more the norm.

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RE: sexual preffernce - 11/30/2006 1:31:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: akisha

My gf called me one day while taking a human studies course in college. They learned in that course that 5% - 10% of people are hetero only or gay only, everyone else is in a grey area of bisexual or bo curious, whether they are willing to openly admit it or not is another thing.


What! How did they come up with that......
I think that if that was the case all these so called bi subs who do it for their Doms..would be more happy about it. If they were really deep down inside bi. Most bi girls I have meet are basically just putting on a show for the men in thier lives.

I do not subscribe to the thinking "all girls are a little bi". Why would I? It makes no sence.

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RE: sexual preferences - 11/30/2006 1:58:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Kinsey Report is fraud perpetuated by generations of people bent on justifying their own desires.  If bisexuality were the 'norm', it would follow that hominids and the higher mammals wouldn't be the only ones to actively practice it.

I wouldn't worry about 'statistics'; anyone, with the right amount of spin, can make any statistic look good.

I don't see the fuss in justifying these things, though.  If someone's gay/bi, then so be it.  There's no real need for anyone to play the part of the Greek Chorus when it comes to sexuality.

And as an aside to the believers in being 'born gay/bi'... just because someone shares an infinitessimally small amount of genetic material with another person, doesn't mean that it's proof positive that said material serves a specific purpose.  We've mapped a rather high percentage of the human genome, and we only know the purpose of roughly 10% of that.  The rest is as of yet indecipherable.

But in the end, doesit all matter?  All the fuss and reaction tells me that in the end, this line of thought still has to be justified for some reason.  I don't have to justify why I've got green eyes or why I'm 6'4" and my dad is only 5'6".  That's all been proven genetic.  Not all people are bi or gay - I actually know very few in this Lifestyle who are, and I can't even begin to count those of alternate sexual preferences who have no idea the meaning of BDSM.

And to you, drawntothedark, yes.  It makes no sense.  It sometimes seems to me that this whole 'bi' thing is wishful thinking on the parts of some.  And as I stated so blatantly before, anyone can bend and twist a statistic to look any old way.

In the end, sexuality doesn't matter - at least not to me - in this lifestyle or anywhere else... although I'm one of those rare few who prefers a heterosexual partner.  A bit too much baggage and drama to pursue anything other, for me.

But that's my two cents' worth. 


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