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timeoutgurlie -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 9:43:05 AM)
Dianna - Thanks for your reply, I think overall we probably share many of the same opinions on the topic, and it is nice to hear it does exist, it's aparently a very small percentage, but it is there. I'll let my penpal know (isn't that strange? he's a member but never even read the forums...I'm already addicted lol), he always believed it existed but now there's proof from one who's experienced it longterm, so he'll be happy to know he's been proven right. We were never considering one another, just for clarity, I'm already very much attached, plus we're both submissive and have no desire for one another as anything but penpal/friends on the site. But that's really here nor there. I agree completely about finding another of like mindedness with everything that is very important to me, one of which on my long list is financial stability [:D] Edited: That is a devilishly delicious avatar, I'm not even inclined to be domme truly, but that expression certainly is reminiscent of when I get my rare pangs giggles

BDSM05478 -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 10:32:03 AM)
People have also been known to pay for the use of a submissive. A friend of mine in Arizona gets a few hundred dollars a session.

timeoutgurlie -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 11:21:25 AM)
Never knew that, but makes logical sense. Is it strange that being a submissive I'd feel much differently about being dominated by a stranger for money? [&:] Personal bias there, I'm not so fond of having that...ah well, s'pose it doesn't make any difference, I'd still feel the same way about any other submissive/any individual subbing for money the same way I feel it's nothing more than a business transaction with domming, nothing wrong with it. Just wouldn't ok for me to personally do it for some reason. Silly emotional things, I'm going to have to go overthink it a while now lol Thanks for the reply [:)]

timeoutgurlie -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 11:23:22 AM)
Ok so I just saw a few hundred dollars per session. Until I know better, I'm just assuming that's an average rate. Is it even ok to ask what a domme would charge on average for a session? Or it's corssing a line? If any are fine with answering please do, if not then I won't ask again [:)]

pinkkeith -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 11:36:26 AM)
If you are interested in going pro, you may want to read this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_638329/tm.htm I think that many would agree that there is a difference between a ProDomme, a Financial Domme and a Tribute Domme

AAkasha -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 11:37:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hercuckslave Hearty applause to Ms. Akasha and Ms. Scarlet. Very well said by both ladies. Thanks. I agree that any form of finances involved in D/s play is best served in an up front, across the boards exchange. As I said in my post, that is one thing I respect about serious Professional Dommes as opposed to the freeze dried money dommes. Pros lay the cards on the table, say this is how it is, and exchange a service for remuneration. Clean, simple, pure. And Ms. Scarlet, you are one of the FIRST Pro Dommes who I've seen openly admit that in a prodomme situation, it is the client who is the one in control, not the Domme. Bravo for calling a spade a spade. It always makes me roll my eyes a bit when a ProDomme claims that she is different and she is always the one in control of her "slaves". Fact of the matter is they are not "slaves", they are clients. M's m While it may not be true for all pro femdoms, there are many that DO have "real power exchange" with clients even though the client is the one paying. Subs love saying that the woman can never be in real control if the client is paying and has the ability to walk away. When I was doing phone domination regularly, the phone slaves were not in charge because they were paying me. Because I didn't need their money. I didn't do it to pay my rent, I didn't do it for a living. I did it for amusement and all the money I made was extra -- and I considered it my "kink" fund. For toys, crazy trips, etc. Because I didn't do it full time and because demand was very high, I could quite easily pick and choose who I would ALLOW to pay me to submit. So I made the rules clear. If I didn't like the way a guy interacted with me, I ended the call and didn't charge him, and respectfully asked him to try another phone domme. If I didn't get anything out of it, I didn't do it. If I set hours for 5pm to 7pm on Friday night and decided I wasn't in the mood, I didn't turn on my phone. The subs that I DID enjoy, and did feel great chemistry with, I told them so and we usually had an ongoing thing. At my peak, 80% of my callers were regulars, and of the "new" men that called, I would turn down 90% of them if they didn't wow me out of the gate. The pro femdoms in the flesh that make a good living, have a solid reputation and are financially stable are very capable of screening subs and rejecting those that do not appear to want to play by her rules. These pros also rely on repeat business a lot, and the repeat clients are the ones that aren't expecting a specific scene she's not interested in -- of course, she is going to pick the subs she enjoys. The subs that say "femdoms are not in control because they are getting paid" either don't realize this, or are bitter because they are one of the guys who was rejected, no matter how much money they offered. When I used to do calls there were some subs that offered to pay me double or triple my rate to give them a chance, but if I didn't like someone, if they were a robot or pushy or whiny, forget it. No amount of money was worth "pretending" to dominate someone who bothered me. I only dominated men that wanted ME to be in control. If they started the call with, "Can I tell you what it is I want you to do?" and I could tell they were used to femdoms who catered to their kink, I told them they needed to try another femdom. Akasha

AAkasha -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 11:46:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: timeoutgurlie Dianna - Thanks for your reply, I think overall we probably share many of the same opinions on the topic, and it is nice to hear it does exist, it's aparently a very small percentage, but it is there. I'll let my penpal know (isn't that strange? he's a member but never even read the forums...I'm already addicted lol), he always believed it existed but now there's proof from one who's experienced it longterm, so he'll be happy to know he's been proven right. We were never considering one another, just for clarity, I'm already very much attached, plus we're both submissive and have no desire for one another as anything but penpal/friends on the site. But that's really here nor there. I agree completely about finding another of like mindedness with everything that is very important to me, one of which on my long list is financial stability [:D] Edited: That is a devilishly delicious avatar, I'm not even inclined to be domme truly, but that expression certainly is reminiscent of when I get my rare pangs giggles The type of financial slave Diana mentioned (he sends her gifts, expects no domination in return, etc.) does exist, but rare is an understatement, and for every one that exists there are 100s of ones that pretend to be and really will waste your time, get bitter on you or manipulate you. The key part of her description was the part that she said "has known him for ten years" -- you have to think about that. TEN years. That's the cases where it often exists, because a "gifting" slave must feel a deep appreciation for someone on a level that is almost "celebrity worship" type. Diana has a public personality and many compete for her attention. This makes her appealing, as a recipient of a "gifting slave," because he enjoys the appreciation she gives him for his time. It makes it feel to him more like they have a personal relationship (and in fact, they probably do). You can have this kind of relationship and it can be wonderful, too. But you might not have the quality that makes it feasible: a long reputation in the community and/or a relationship with a man for 5+ years. This kind of "gifting" is more common when the femdom is a public figure and the sub really resonates with her. Think of it like a huge "fan" who felt they had an inside track to a celebrity, and merely by sending gifts -- ones that were well thought out and sincere -- would always get a personal thank you, some flirting, and acknowledgement that made OTHER fans green with envy. It happens. Akasha

DiannaVesta -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 12:24:33 PM)
“Gifting slave” wow I never heard it called that. It’s kind of nice. I do admit they are rare, however a sincere submissive is rare. As you said Akasha there is a level of adoration hat takes pace and it’s the base of the dynamic I am seeking in the first place. I talked about this type of devotion in the radio show I just did and posted a link in another thread. There is a level of appreciation I want to feel and that a man is really willing to climb the mountain to my heart. This isn’t about money because I need it. It’s nice and I love gifts but I am very capable. For instance I have this slave training course at my site. It’s free BUT there are some options to upgrade to support my work and the site. I have an option to follow up where I can monitor your training in a forum but I only ask that if you want me to do this to please upgrade to a 14.95 a month membership. I really take offense when guys post in there expecting me to spend and devote all kinds of time for their journey when they can’t support me. This is NOT financial slavery but appreciation. Just recently I had a guy taking the course who pays the monthly upgrade and we exchange private emails. He was so appreciative that he sent me a gift certificate to buy a gift. I didn’t ask of expect. I thought it was a kind and loving gesture. He makes it a point to thank me often. I am really moved by his expression. This is not financial slavery. You talked about doing phone sessions too. I really enjoy these. Yes, the money is nice and it provides me with things I want, however it doesn’t mean I will cater to a males fantasies. He calls me to experience me and IF he is sincere I will be happy to help him on his journey. I also see phone sessions as being a great way to explore and know better what your interests are. It is an excellent service. Financial slavery, really, is a man or woman that is submissive and finds that being used this way gives them the purpose they need and fulfils submissive desire. Some men feel that losing their money, being finically rapes, so to speak is losing control to the supreme power of a woman. It’s really no different then any other fetish that helps you achieve an intense state of submission. Like humiliation there are varied degrees some are more severe and like ALL acts you should act responsibly. I understand the experience I have and I also know that I have been in the fantasies of men for years. I also know that I have the power to truly render them helpless; if I choose to, however my desire is to constructively initiate relationships that empower not destroy. Do I test limits? Of course. A slave that generously provides gifts because he adores you and enjoys doing this is not financial slavery. A slave/submissive should WANT to do this for you. I have a set rule. Don’t ever come to my door empty handed. I find this rude and unacceptable. I think that too many people here and on other sites I’ve been on want to make a big deal about a woman that lives like a Goddess and accepts gifts or has HIGH expectations. That’s just nonsense and males trying to manipulate a situation or they just don’t get it. My response is that YOU/THEY/THEM need to raise up to meet MY expectations and if they can’t then they have no business getting in my space. Whatever you do don’t let someone’s ignorant opinion sway what you feel in your heart. Even if phases of discovery and exploration you learn through experience. No one makes the rules nor should they be the judge. Average professional sessions prices are 150.00 to 300.00 per hour. There are professional submissive females that make that much as well. Phone sessions range between 1.50 to 5.00 a min. I charge 3.99 and although some people think its high, its what I make. Maybe you should give phone sessions a try if you are considering any of this. I am happy to answer any questions on the business and marketing of Female Domination.

Beatmehrdr -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 2:28:45 PM)
For me, financial slavery is one of those things where the fantasy is just plain awesome, but the reality, not so great. The idea of a Domme playing with your bank accounts and emotions in one big humiliationfest is fun, but there are all sorts of things that just make the reality rather icky, like "Do I really want to live like a pauper to buy her a really nice shoe collection?" "Um, when the money runs out, then what?" "Is she doing this because she enjoys it, and me, or simply because I have available cash?" The fantasy of it--great. Reality--eh. On the other hand, Financial Domination fantasies make great jerk-off material.

DiannaVesta -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 2:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Beatmehrdr For me, financial slavery is one of those things where the fantasy is just plain awesome, but the reality, not so great. The idea of a Domme playing with your bank accounts and emotions in one big humiliationfest is fun, but there are all sorts of things that just make the reality rather icky, like "Do I really want to live like a pauper to buy her a really nice shoe collection?" "Um, when the money runs out, then what?" "Is she doing this because she enjoys it, and me, or simply because I have available cash?" The fantasy of it--great. Reality--eh. On the other hand, Financial Domination fantasies make great jerk-off material. yeah its hot but you gotta keep it all in perspective. I’ve never really controlled anyone’s bank accounts per se. I’ve owned slaves and held the strings there, managed the household, but to just take someones life over that way, well I don’t know. It sounds good and exciting but I don’t think I could. Ok if he had millions I would buy him a condo, a good retirement plan and travel around the world on his dime. Lol OH WAIT, I’d lock his ass up in a chastity device until I returned.

BelovedSybilla -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 2:54:18 PM)
Interesting conversation. Financial slavery, as someone may have previously mentioned, is considerably different than providing a service for profit. I know a few voluntarily collared slaves (female) who turn over whole paychecks to their Master. I have also noticed a trend among Male Dominants to expect their female subs to provide financial support by whatever means expected for whatever reason. I find this to be appalling, degrading and plain stupid. I have attempted to convey that it is one thing to contribute to a household, or to turn over a portion of one's paycheck so that a wise and financially savvy Master can be a financial asset to the life of a slave. But too many times I've seen women be so taken advantage of. It's painful to watch.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:01:06 PM)
quote: I have a list of loves, which I've outlined that includes all kinds of domination. But I was also good at investing and trading and making money out of money in my past and increasing net worth. That's quite a virtue, JD. You are perhaps the first lady on the boards who's mentioned an interest in trading....most I've spoken with are either completely uninformed or bored by the notion of it - I can only ask : What's more powerful than being in a position where you make money by manipulating other money, just by the click of a mouse and a little patience? As AAkasha mentioned, there's no such thing as a free lunch. I'm always impressed with women who can make money by themselves. - R

AAkasha -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:08:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: I have a list of loves, which I've outlined that includes all kinds of domination. But I was also good at investing and trading and making money out of money in my past and increasing net worth. That's quite a virtue, JD. You are perhaps the first lady on the boards who's mentioned an interest in trading....most I've spoken with are either completely uninformed or bored by the notion of it - I can only ask : What's more powerful than being in a position where you make money by manipulating other money, just by the click of a mouse and a little patience? As AAkasha mentioned, there's no such thing as a free lunch. I'm always impressed with women who can make money by themselves. - R I would be bored with such a career strategy or as my main means of income. I do well in my career because it matches my skills and I am a sharp business woman in my field. I know nothing about financial matters nor care to learn about it, I have someone who handles that for me. But I thrive on the processes I do enjoy, so my financial success is directly tied into how hard I work because I like it. You asked what is boring about having the click of the mouse be so powerful (as it relates to money) -- for you, it appears, the money is the end all. To me, there is much more power in the manipulation of the masses by communication processes. Click a button, make $500,000 -- yay, then what? I'd rather be a part of changing the mindset of millions of people, raising millions of dollars for a charity or getting the word spread about an important cause or issue. Do you think people who drive race cars professionally envy the rush you get from the click of a mouse? Really, to a lot of people, making money by investing isn't very exciting. Akasha

timeoutgurlie -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:21:25 PM)
pink - Thanks for the link, I didn't even know there were so many types, again just a clarity thing, not looking to turn pro, it was more of a joke said to me by another member of the site being a smartass...but then he of course got me curious and voila, I come in to bug the dommes to see if I can get answers from the ones who know this all from experience instead of getting the guesses of other subs who specifically said they had never paid a domme [:D] AAkasha - Thanks, as was the case throughout the thread, for sharing your experiences, you're one of the few who ventured to join in and I appreciate it, it's all very interesting. I feel like an Amish person must feel the first time they see a washing machine or something, just in awe of all this new stuff and want to know everything there is all at once...but, have to pick and choose things as they come up and then ask a bunch of questions like a child lol Thanks all who've indulged me, even if the questions were somewhat 'silly' perhaps with all of your experience, the answers were much appreciated whether they were neccessarilly agreeable to my own opinions or not, enjoyed it all [:D]

timeoutgurlie -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:24:34 PM)
Oh wow -- my last post was started a good while ago, and I hadn't had time to finish, so I just came to the desk and added the end of the line then submitted, and there were a bunch more replies than there had been when I left it ... This is fantastic because there are more replies, I love those beams ... But not so great because now my post probably sounds kind of dumb in the tail end of posts I haven't yet read [:o] If anythign I said sounds strange, please forgive it for a little while, I'll be back to check out what I missed later and then I'll see if I managed to make a proper ass of myself or not quite lol Thanks to everyone [:D]

BelovedSybilla -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:31:26 PM)
Hey, how does that little personality description get entered under the name? I resent being called Vanilla.

mnottertail -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:36:12 PM)
Glad you caught that, it is a matter of financial domination, send me a check at: LOL. General BDSM Forums>Forum Rankings (a post right at the top there) and then send me a check. Ron

BelovedSybilla -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:42:56 PM)
Hmmm. Okay, but it will be very rubbery and not in a good way.

mnottertail -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:45:35 PM)
General BDSM Forums>Forum Rankings (a post right at the top there) that part was serious. Ron

BelovedSybilla -> RE: Financial Domination/slavery (12/3/2006 3:47:54 PM)
Um ... no.

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