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SaintAllie -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:07:45 PM)
well , I hope your comment isn't censored..I don't agree with your outlook myself..it's a bit negative.. you may have standards that differ from someone that is in their right mind and into financial slavery..I see your championing of the weak minded .. and mention the strong minded that already know what they want and find your outlook is not theirs.. they choose otherwise. great discussion by the way.. SaintAllie

MisPandora -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:22:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess I find it offensively hypocritical that Collarme.com disallows financial fetishes from being referred to on a site that purports to be BDSM in nature. As a lifestyle Domme and Financial Sadist, with a bevy of souls whose fetish is serving me financially, I ask you, what difference is there between a whip and a checking account number? The premise may be different, but the philosophy is the same. In my opinion, at least. Share yours? So why not go attend to your bevy instead of wasting time on us "peasants" who don't pay?

mnottertail -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:38:08 PM)
I don't know that this site does not accept the fetish, there are profiles full of this, there are several current threads, they just don't happen to have a check box for it and aren't into paypal. They just don't promote it as 'THE FETISH'. They don't go out of their way to absolutely dissuade it either. Admittedly, they do warn of the possibility that such things have a great propensity for the attraction of scam artists. (Somewhere, over the rainbow I know one of those drop-dead gorgeous big round backed slaves from Ghana is just dying to pay her way to see me, and probably already posted a thread that says am I the only one?) On the other hand I have a blowjob fetish and a roll of quarters. Equally as valid in my mind. Perhaps we can find a common ground profitable to us both. I would agree that there is no checkbox for either fetish, but then where do you quit? I would like to see a checkbox on profiles that says I would like a newspaper rolled up and stuck up my ass and lit, while I dance the nutcracker suite as a classically trained ballet artist, because fireplay just don't cut it. That sub would be coming home with me, think of the money I could save on dvds and add to my roll of quarters. There is also no checkbox for female slaves to check that says that I would like a dom who will take my lawyers (or doctors) salary check and clasp hands as he takes it from me while I give him a dog licking peanut butter blowjob. So over time, I wonder just how much 'so-called experience' these site owners have, seems to me that alot of this mainstream, mainstay shit ain't got checkboxes. Ron

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:45:24 PM)
Financial slavery runs too much risk for being scammed. There is entirely too much risk of the site being caught up in something should one of the less upstanding attempts go wrong. Its a can of worms the owners of the site dont choose to get into. However, since there is a professional services forum, you can always look there to find more financial slaves for your bevy. DV

SaintAllie -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:50:15 PM)
I'm not keen on checkboxes personally lol.....and if this site is also advertising other sites.ie the dating one that has all the nude young girls pics on the rhs of the screen.( for profit?) not sure if I can mention other sites here by name).some have giant advertising links everywhere. Isn't that making a profit financially via the ppl that are drawn here?..what's the difference? it's still a choice whether you engage those services..SaintAllie

LotusSong -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 6:59:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Carrianna Prostitution is to offer payment for sexual intercourse, financial slavery is giving money because they want to show how committed they are to you. ... and they are commited for what reason..

LotusSong -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 7:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SaintAllie well , I hope your comment isn't censored..I don't agree with your outlook myself..it's a bit negative.. you may have standards that differ from someone that is in their right mind and into financial slavery..I see your championing of the weak minded .. and mention the strong minded that already know what they want and find your outlook is not theirs.. they choose otherwise. great discussion by the way.. SaintAllie Exploitation parading as "strength", disguised as Dominance as a justification, effects us all. You evidently don't care.. But I'm lady enough to discuss things without doing thinly vieled cheap shots. What ever these practitioners call themselves, I hope it's not Dom/me.

SaintAllie -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 7:23:13 PM)
you take it as you see it..I still don't agree..and perhaps disagreeing with you, means you choose to interpret it in a way that suits you..exploitation in this instance has two sides.. that was my meaning. we don't know each other.. the implication you make is that you are a lady and I am not.. it's irrelevant to my original comment. It wasn't a cheap shot, it's my outlook, I'm still enjoying the discussion..regards SaintAllie

petdave -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 7:42:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina Feeling broke, dave? Can't even afford to pay attention! Been trying to talk my wife into letting me perform toilet service so i can save a few bucks on Charmin! Been tryin' to get arrested ever since i hocked my last pair o' handcuffs! Had to switch from wine enemas to malt liquor! i mean i is PO! [:(]

DecadentGoddess -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 7:48:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I don't know that this site does not accept the fetish, there are profiles full of this, there are several current threads, they just don't happen to have a check box for it and aren't into paypal. They just don't promote it as 'THE FETISH'. They don't go out of their way to absolutely dissuade it either. Admittedly, they do warn of the possibility that such things have a great propensity for the attraction of scam artists. (Somewhere, over the rainbow I know one of those drop-dead gorgeous big round backed slaves from Ghana is just dying to pay her way to see me, and probably already posted a thread that says am I the only one?) On the other hand I have a blowjob fetish and a roll of quarters. Equally as valid in my mind. Perhaps we can find a common ground profitable to us both. I would agree that there is no checkbox for either fetish, but then where do you quit? I would like to see a checkbox on profiles that says I would like a newspaper rolled up and stuck up my ass and lit, while I dance the nutcracker suite as a classically trained ballet artist, because fireplay just don't cut it. That sub would be coming home with me, think of the money I could save on dvds and add to my roll of quarters. There is also no checkbox for female slaves to check that says that I would like a dom who will take my lawyers (or doctors) salary check and clasp hands as he takes it from me while I give him a dog licking peanut butter blowjob. So over time, I wonder just how much 'so-called experience' these site owners have, seems to me that alot of this mainstream, mainstay shit ain't got checkboxes. Ron Thanks for the chuckles....and the great insight!

kc692 -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 8:25:42 PM)
BY the way, to the OP,.I just saw your join date, welcome to CM and the boards....hope you like your stay better from now on , since this is day one for you......

DecadentGoddess -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 8:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kc692 BY the way, to the OP,.I just saw your join date, welcome to CM and the boards....hope you like your stay better from now on , since this is day one for you...... Thanks for the warm welcome =) It is my first day, and when trying to write my profile, there's this notice up there about no mention of financial slavery, and well, it sorta ticked me off! I thought, of all places, a BDSM meeting place/board/community/whatever you wanna call it, is discriminating against a bonafide kink. So I posted this message. I guess it stirs people up alot, since there are now three pages of conversation on this thread, and I already got a email from Moderator Eleven telling me to hush up. I just think it's funny that on the bottom of this site is states: Collarchat.com is a member of the Free Speech Coalition. I guess, after all these years, I still feel the need to point out something that stands out like a sore thumb. Got me spanked at school ALL the time. Now I do the spanking. =)

Lady Alaria -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 9:01:49 PM)
To the digital goofball: I think the OP's reference was to the big all caps message on the create/edit profile page that says that any mention of financial slavery is strictly prohibited. To the OP: I think Cm is trying to save itself some legal hassle, not casting stones. Not because of ProDomme issues(there's nothing against that mentioned anywhere on the site) but rather because of the current laws that define confidence games. By the legal definition of con games, financial domination could easily be prosecuted under the current laws by a crafty attorney, if the sub later decided it hadn't been such a good idea, or wanted revenge for some real or imagined slight. There would not be likely much defense. I'm not an attorney. I can't give you the specifics. I don't know if it's been prosecuted as such yet. I might hunt out Jay Wiseman and ask him if I feel inspired. To those who spit vitriol at ProDommes: ......bleh. Ya ain't worth it.

SaintAllie -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 9:08:16 PM)
Not living in the US.. I don't know the laws, and apparently they differ , state to state..I see the same issues as you do.. if people decide to move the goalposts on an agreed arrangement.( coloquiallism here for.. "changing the rules'). Pro Dommes have a niche..as do anyone else that enter into a service contract..( and in my mind that is exactly what it is)..people need to get off the pro dommes backs... SaintAllie edited for better clarity.. however I'm in the antipodes.. do ask if I haven't made myself clear .. :)

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 9:31:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess I guess it stirs people up alot, since there are now three pages of conversation on this thread, and I already got a email from Moderator Eleven telling me to hush up. With apologies to the cast of 'Yellowbeard'; "that is what we in the British Navy call... a lie." You were asked not to dredge up old threads to use as additional platforms for more complaining about the rules here. You were never told to hush up. XI

Lady Alaria -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 10:20:06 PM)
Thanks for the clarity on that one 11. Do wish the site had someplace where it would state it's reasoning for the rule. I'm quite willing to accept it's probably a good one(You guys have better lawyers than I do) but it would be nice for clarity. Not that you are under any obligation to explain.

Siona -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/3/2006 10:21:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong My opinion? Get a frigging JOB and stop being a parasite by preying on the weak-mindedness of those that think this is a ligitimate form of domination. Who can tell how somone gets their "financial slavery".. by Threats? Blackmail? Embezzelment? It just opens the door to any kind of lowlife that figures the "lifestyle" is a good as excuse as any. That damn "oh god forbid we judge anyone." No -god forbid we THINK! I had to say my peice. I'm sure it's not anything you haven't heard before. Too bad this will probably be censored. This practice represents the lowest excuse to call themselves dominant- male or female. And of course, we are all judged by the lowest denominator. This is what happens when I have just finished watching "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" Thank you thank you thank you!

DecadentGoddess -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/4/2006 12:11:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven quote: ORIGINAL: DecadentGoddess I guess it stirs people up alot, since there are now three pages of conversation on this thread, and I already got a email from Moderator Eleven telling me to hush up. With apologies to the cast of 'Yellowbeard'; "that is what we in the British Navy call... a lie." You were asked not to dredge up old threads to use as additional platforms for more complaining about the rules here. You were never told to hush up. XI A. I didn't realize it was a dead thread. Someone on this thread pointed out that there were indeed OTHER threads on this topic, so I visited them, and commented on how I agreed with one poster. I hardly think that was out of line, much less required the urgent reprimand. B. Telling me not to post my opinion, dead thread or not, is telling me to hush up. Free Speech Coalition my ass. C. I'm not trying to insult CM, I'm just trying to understand this policy. And so far all you've given me in email is "Do it because I say so." That never worked on me as a child, and it certainly doesn't now. D. You're the insulting one matey. Get off my back, I posted some comments and questions for god's sake. I was looking for some sincere insight on a fetish I possess. Who are you to judge me?

Lady Alaria -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/4/2006 12:18:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SaintAllie Not living in the US.. I don't know the laws, and apparently they differ , state to state..I see the same issues as you do.. if people decide to move the goalposts on an agreed arrangement.( coloquiallism here for.. "changing the rules'). They don't differ too much on certain things. I think that a con artist is defined the same way most places. Someone who convinces someone else to give up money for nothing, through use of some form of deception. There may not be deception in all financial slavery, but I think that a legal case could be argued that the sub was led on to expect that more was going to occur than did, especially if there was online seduction involved. And a frighteningly large number of con artists have swarmed on this particular kink, and feeding it's spread and growth. Again, not saying by any means that all who engage in this are con artists, just that there are a lot of them into this. I think CM's decision probably reflects an unwillingness to play host to con-artists, and has therefor banished the whole subject out of hand. Note that there is no checkbox for breathplay on the other side. I think they'd ban mention of that too if it wouldn't bring them a major backlash. quote: Pro Dommes have a niche..as do anyone else that enter into a service contract..( and in my mind that is exactly what it is)..people need to get off the pro dommes backs... SaintAllie edited for better clarity.. however I'm in the antipodes.. do ask if I haven't made myself clear .. :) Hmm...the last part made less sense than the first. The antipodes of which exactly? Since this post was at least in part a reply to me, I might clarify that I think folk should get off the Pros backs too. Unless they've been ordered to be there. [;)]

LadySeraphina -> RE: Why are financial fetishes not accepted here? (12/4/2006 12:21:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: petdave quote: ORIGINAL: LadySeraphina Feeling broke, dave? Can't even afford to pay attention! Been trying to talk my wife into letting me perform toilet service so i can save a few bucks on Charmin! Been tryin' to get arrested ever since i hocked my last pair o' handcuffs! Had to switch from wine enemas to malt liquor! i mean i is PO! [:(] Ouch! I don't know if JD up the wazoo has quite the same meaning on CM...

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