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Rover -> RE: Teenish Masters (12/20/2006 6:40:32 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass
I know this was written quite a while ago but I just had to respond.
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ORIGINAL: Rover
No, I'm not stalking you. But like many regulars to these boards, we read and comment upon what interests us. Simply put, the more you write (and you seem to write copious amounts) the more that requires correction. Obviously leather history is not one of the subjects you teach as a trainer.
Here's the danger with getting your factual information from unverified online sources... it's often wrong. That's one reason why we often ask for references from people.... it's easy for people to claim anything they want online, and it's kinda helpful to separate fact from fiction. And in the case of your understanding of leather history, it is proveably false.
The terms "Master" and "slave" did not originate with Gor and bleed over to the BDSM community. Those terms were in usage before the first Gor book was published in 1967 and date to the predominantly gay male S/M leather culture often referred to as "Old Guard" (generally speaking late '40s to early '70s). John
Basically, Rover, you are making the (IMO mistaken) assumption that this poster even cares about leather and leather history. I can see no indication from his postings or profile that he does. To many people, the "lifestyle" originated in a chatroom and training girls online is a productive endeavor. And that is fine if it works for them but they will never be part of the world you and I know and live in. To those of you out there to whom this applies, I mean no insult, just stating a belief of mine. You are more than welcome to reject my view. Personally, even at age 22, it feels tragic to me that people younger than I come into this with so little awareness of the practices of the past. To spout out about being a master or trainer without having read some of the pivital authors, heard some of the world class speakers, learned from the real life masters who are available so readily and want to teach...it's like declaring oneself to have a PhD in English Literature without ever stepping foot in a university or reading shakespeare. Yes, BDSM and all of its components are open to interpretation but just like the study of English Literature, there is a general consensus among most practitioners of at least some very basic starting points from which to build a foundation.
And to Slavetrainer2007, I read your profile, and as a fellow dominant I have to say that your claim to training girls not for yourself but for the benefit of future dominants drives me batty. I think many would agree with me that even your best trained, most perfect, slave will have to all but start from scratch when she becomes mine. In other words: if you weren't trained by me, you weren't trained.
Believe me, I didn't presume that the person in question had any genuine interest in leather history (it was obvious he did not, as much of the information is readily available to anyone wishing to take the time to find and read it). Two points, really:
First, correcting the factual record benefits those that may be reading along and who may desire to know the factual truth. I understand that will not be everyone, but even if it's one person, they deserve documented facts where they exists.
And second, these forums are not billboards, where people are free to say whatever they like without equally public comment from whomever wishes to chime in. I derive a certain amount of enjoyment from my contributions to these forums, or I would not do so.
As for the rest of your post, I am entirely in agreement and particularly enjoyed your (quite valid) analogy to earning a Phd in Literature. Though I doubt very much that Slavetrainer2007 will be around to read your comments to him (he hasn't been online here since December 6th, and now that he knows this place is populated by folks that know better, he's not likely to return).
John
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