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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 8:21:01 AM   
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Ok.........so do Mistresses ask for tribute from female submissives or just guy submissives?

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 8:34:26 AM   
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Tribute is a colorful term for I want to get some material gain for my services. It is the part time pro who for some reason needs the word tribute instead of compensation to do what they do. There is nothing wrong with that when two people agree to it but it is what it is. I want something to do something intimate with another person even if it is not sex.

It is not gender specific but market demand. There are few Dommes compared to male submissives and this creates a demand and men are willing to pay. Both parties win. It is market economics, supply and demand.



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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 8:38:45 AM   
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Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.


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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 8:43:08 AM   
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Why does it occur?  Because it can.  Sometimes it is to weed out those who are not serious, sometimes it is for compensation for time and equipment, sometimes it's sheer greed, sometimes it's a kink, etc... I would hazard a guess that the reason more females do it than males is that there are far more male submissives vying for a Domme's attention so they are willing to do those things to get noticed and have the Domme's time and attention.  It's not something that really bothers me either way.  It's pretty easy to avoid if you don't like it.

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 8:53:12 AM   
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Can somebody PLEASE explain this to me? What is going on with worshipping a Domme with tributes


Pick a stereotype for this question and some will fit into it.  That's the reason there are stereotypes, there is some truth in them to begin with.  The problem is that too many folks tend to buy into the notion that a stereotype is the only answer.  Read the plethora of threads regarding this topic, just here on CM, and you'll see what I mean.  Hell, read this thread and you'll see an assortment of answers.  There is no one universal answer to this question.

I'm of the belief that those who immediately jump to some sort of judgement about the person in question and present it as the only answer tell us a lot more about themself than they tell us about the topic at hand, but that's my perspective.

I know pro doms.  There aren't a lot of them out there, but they do exist.  If it were more profitable there would be more of them - just like there are a lot of women who are either professionals or simply just opportunists.  If it didn't sell there wouldn't be any and I believe that addresses why there are so many.

I could present a number of theories here regarding why women do this, but unless I told you why I was pro they would all be conjecture.  For me, when I was a pro it was about making a living doing something I love (how many of us can say we do that?)  I was, however, quite rigid about what sort of client I would accept and inevitably that rigidity impeded my potential profitability.  When I was pro I always maintained the policy that I only pulled personals from my client base.  It wasn't entirely true but there was a reason for the position.  The reason was so I wouldn't be even more inundated with tire kickers (something many dominant women, pro or not, can relate to).  The amount of inquiries I received every day was nothing less than staggering and often seemingly overwhelming.  For some reason there are a lot of guys who think that it's some sort of coup to get a pro domina to play with them for free.  I think the assumption that a pro domina is just a whore (not that I have anything against whores) leads many to assume that all pro's are by default 'easy.'

So I adopted an 'only from my client base' policy based on the notion that someone who wasn't willing to give something (other than the 'gift of their submission') was essentially coming to the table empty handed.  I have a lot to give (material, emotional, and intellectual) and have worked very hard for all of it.  I have no interest in people who are only seeking to get their own needs met and are oblivious to the notion that it's an exchange.  Why would anyone with any self worth be interested in such?

Inevitably I stopped accepting new clients because I got burned out on the sheer volume of the above mentioned sort.  I got tired of rigorously policing my boundaries and trying to slough off the smegma of those looking for something for nothing.  If you read my profile you will see that I'm not amenable to anyone approaching me based on kink anymore, professional or otherwise.

Please don't misunderstand me.  The above is not representative of the wonderful people who came into my life via the professional venue.  In large part I've been blessed as well as cursed because I am a domina.  Being pro only increased the volume of both exponentially.  The ratio of one to the other, however, can be depressing.

My point is that some women insist on tribute to weed out the tire kickers and above mentioned sort.  Obviously there will be some women who fit some stereotypes, but not all of them do.

Some of those who are genuine and clear about what they seek are quite happy to make it a financial exchange - they don't have the time, inclination or the resources to change my oil but are happy to pay to see that it gets done because they care about my well being and it's what they have to offer.  Some have worked their entire lives to be in a position to be generous financially and doing so makes them very happy.  Others have other things to offer but they never get reviled by the masses for those offerings, only for the financial offerings.

As a woman, not as a dominant, I refuse to allow people into my inner circle who don't bring something to the table.  It doesn't have to be money (and never did) but they have to add value of some sort.  If I allow anything less then I devalue myself and the people who are genuine in their quest for a connection.

Of course the easy answer is that all women seeking tribute are whores.  If only the world were really that simple.


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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 9:06:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: toservez

Tribute is a colorful term for I want to get some material gain for my services. It is the part time pro who for some reason needs the word tribute instead of compensation to do what they do. There is nothing wrong with that when two people agree to it but it is what it is. I want something to do something intimate with another person even if it is not sex.

It is not gender specific but market demand. There are few Dommes compared to male submissives and this creates a demand and men are willing to pay. Both parties win. It is market economics, supply and demand.




Not true. Because there are also many more female subs than male doms. And male doms don't demand compensation, or whatever you want to call it. Male doms view BDSM as either a lifestyle or a hobby. And most male doms actaully lose money in the long run by pursuing this. Many female dommes will look at BDSM as a business oppertunity to make money, and that's what I dislike because it is basically like taking advantage of the lifestyle.

Do you ever see male doms say, "my time is too valuable unless you may me $300 an hour?"

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:01:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

quote:

ORIGINAL: toservez

Tribute is a colorful term for I want to get some material gain for my services. It is the part time pro who for some reason needs the word tribute instead of compensation to do what they do. There is nothing wrong with that when two people agree to it but it is what it is. I want something to do something intimate with another person even if it is not sex.

It is not gender specific but market demand. There are few Dommes compared to male submissives and this creates a demand and men are willing to pay. Both parties win. It is market economics, supply and demand.




Not true. Because there are also many more female subs than male doms. And male doms don't demand compensation, or whatever you want to call it. Male doms view BDSM as either a lifestyle or a hobby. And most male doms actaully lose money in the long run by pursuing this. Many female dommes will look at BDSM as a business oppertunity to make money, and that's what I dislike because it is basically like taking advantage of the lifestyle.

Do you ever see male doms say, "my time is too valuable unless you may me $300 an hour?"


As a female submissive that has been active in multiple local communities and online I have never found once that there were way more female submissives then male dominants. My experience the opposite is true.


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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:06:28 AM   
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And yes there are professional male dominants. A well known and talented one in Chicago is deviant dom. He is an expert at shibari.
Now can we all get off the topic of prodommes already?
You dont like us, oh well. Many do and use our services as the only means of expressing their bdsm feelings. Others such as those complaining are lucky enough to have the ability to be out and in the actual community.
I'm tired of justifying my chosen profession to those with narrow minds.


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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:10:17 AM   
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HERE! HERE! Very well stated. I agree. I also do not allow just anyone into my inner circle but doubly so being a dominant woman.

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:22:57 AM   
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I would imagine that tribute can come from anyone who wants to give. It just so happens that this phenomena, from what I've seen, is most prevalent in the het community.

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:32:21 AM   
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Whats wrong with making a living off of what you love to do?  There is a definate need for professionals, or we would not be in business.  As in any business, you are going to find people who are ONLY in it for the money and could really care less about their clients.  That is your responsibility to make sure that you are satisfied with the service you receive and if not, find someone else.

Demand dictates pricing also.

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 11:05:19 AM   
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Im not bashing all prodommes and I dont think anybody is. And I don't find it a problem if a male sub gives a tribute to a female domme.

I myself am a switch that has played both sides of the coin. I know that I could never ask a female submissive for any kind of compensation. Because I personally find the basic act of submitting as a pricelist gift. However, if I am submitting to a dominant woman, I am tempted to give some gift of some sort. But that isn't because she demands it. It's more kind of like how you give flowers to a girl before going on a date. It's the act of giving it, and not the monetary value.

Again, what I dislike is the few that go into this simply because they think they can make money doing it. Most people who do professional work in BDSM do not make much money. Charging $300 an hour and you would have to do 200 or 300 sessions a year just to live comfortably. That's why nearly all the prodommes I know that find BDSM very enjoyable also have a vanilla career. And even those that ask for tribute arnt as firm about it. They may ask for a set amount, but if a truely devoted sub can only give a smaller amount, they accept it.
The ones that go into this for ONLY the money end up demanding lots of money to break even or satisfy their fantasy lifestyle of luxury. It doesn't take long before they find out the guys they are attracting as clients look at them as nothing more than expensive prostitutes willing to satisfy any sexual fetish the male has. And that's when the fantasy all starts to fall apart and it is no longer fun anymore.

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RE: Tributes??? - 12/5/2006 10:40:05 PM   
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Ahhh but the same can be said for the Dom's too.  I had many tell me I would be a great asset to them because I have a nice monthly income and a house almost paid off.  Several of them did not have jobs and said they could live easily now off me. HA!!! I think not. 

They may not ask outright but they do make it clear if you don't have an income to give them they want nothing to do with you.  I have seen a lot of them with profiles say if you can't work don't contact me.

My Master has told me my income will be put into a savings to be used for my expenses and he will agree to any extra expenditures before I can have any.  When I sell my house he suggested I put it into 3 parts and set 2 aside for my sons the 3rd to go into a savings for later when needed for me.  He made no mention of it helping him out.  I told him that half should be put into a mutual house utility fund.  I expect to pay my part. 

I did not necessarily tell each Dom or wanna be Dom that I had X amount it was in my profile so as to show I was not looking for a "money Dom,"  my name for it.
To show I could provide for myself. 

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