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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:28:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with that. It all comes down to money. That is one of the reasons I like working in an RCF. We get to take the residents out shopping, to the movies, or to eat. Then at the end of the day they have a bed to sleep in, a roof over their head and people who care about them making sure that they are ok. It's not the best soulution but it is the best we got.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:28:39 AM   
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Why stop there?

Liberals are responsible for global warming, too.  And for the war in Iraq.  And for AIDS.

And it's actually a proven but little-known fact that liberals created all those bad hairstyles back in the 70's.




        Well, I did the 'liberals started the war in Iraq' thread already, and at some point I'll argue they made damn sure Iraq was a failure and are liable for WWIII.  AIDS was initially spread in the gay community so I guess that argument could be made.  Global warming?  I'd have to put on my tin-foil hat to run with that one but laws to try to stop what could be a natural phenomenon seem like a liberal solution to me.

    The bad hairstyles?  You are absolutely correct, but the Mullet was conservative and even worse.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:38:53 AM   
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Liberals are responsible for global warming, too.  And for the war in Iraq.  And for AIDS.






       Well, I did the 'liberals started the war in Iraq' thread already, and at some point I'll argue they made damn sure Iraq was a failure and are liable for WWIII.  AIDS was initially spread in the gay community so I guess that argument could be made. 


ok Aids may have started there but the Catholic church is predominately responsible for the continuing epidemic in African countries - their religous beliefs are mostly Catholic - the CC frowns upon the use of condoms - therefore they are directly responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths and orphans!!

just my four penneth worth!!

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:39:41 AM   
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For the sake of argument, I would love to read any actual source material you might have on the subject to support this opinion.

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     That would be a bit tricky Sinergy, since I grew up in an activist household and formed my opinions based on dinner table discussions.  The Christmas shopping is far from complete and we'll be having a pitcher or two of margaritas while we decorate the tree.  I'm not going to spend the day using my dial-up to research what the guests on talk-shows were bringing to the publics attention in 1977.  Go rent "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" if you don't believe Hollywood played a major role (fantastic movie if you haven't seen it, lots of great actors and it was filmed in a real state hospital).

     


Thank you for indicating your comments were the result of dinner table discussions with similar minded activists as well as guest comments on talk shows in the late 1970s, as opposed to research into all sides of a particular subject.

I have seen the movie.  It is a great movie.  What I found made it such a great movie was the interactions between the main actors, as opposed to it being a searing indictment of our mental health system. 

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:42:58 AM   
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Global warming?  I'd have to put on my tin-foil hat to run with that one but laws to try to stop what could be a natural phenomenon seem like a liberal solution to me.

   The bad hairstyles?  You are absolutely correct, but the Mullet was conservative and even worse.


The commies, errr, I mean liberals, caused global warming with all that dope they smoked, it did not punch a hole in the ozone layer per se, but made the layer leave for some Doritos and Twinkies, thus the problem.
 
Mullets......... oy.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:43:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		So Reagan signing a law passed by the democratic legislature, makes it Reagans fault?  Your article cites "trendy californians", progressives/liberals, who think that the insane are more sane than the rest of us and a movie,one flew over the cukoo's nest, (hollywood).  Also the national de instuituionalisation occured after a supreme court case that was started under Carter( Carter filed an amicus brief in it/he supported it) another liberal.  And the Supreme court was mostly filled by liberals/dems at that time.  The case was decided in Reagans first term, and he of course was required to follow the ruling.  I was living in an urban area in Richmond Virginia and 13 years old then.  The homeless hit the streets like a wave and in 2  years were everywhere.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 10:55:27 AM   
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For the sake of argument, I would love to read any actual source material you might have on the subject to support this opinion.

Sinergy



    That would be a bit tricky Sinergy, since I grew up in an activist household and formed my opinions based on dinner table discussions.  The Christmas shopping is far from complete and we'll be having a pitcher or two of margaritas while we decorate the tree.  I'm not going to spend the day using my dial-up to research what the guests on talk-shows were bringing to the publics attention in 1977.  Go rent "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" if you don't believe Hollywood played a major role (fantastic movie if you haven't seen it, lots of great actors and it was filmed in a real state hospital).

    


Thank you for indicating your comments were the result of dinner table discussions with similar minded activists as well as guest comments on talk shows in the late 1970s, as opposed to research into all sides of a particular subject.

I have seen the movie.  It is a great movie.  What I found made it such a great movie was the interactions between the main actors, as opposed to it being a searing indictment of our mental health system. 

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy



      "Like-minded" is an inaccurate description.  The sort of True Believer types I was dealing with would change their ideas about 'truth' every few years and take the same passion to some radically different set of values.  I was cynical far beyond my years by the late 70's.  But I knew what the cause of the week was.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 12:46:52 PM   
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There are all sorts of people wandering our streets. Some of the homeless have simply chosen that life.

Changing the laws about institutionalizing the non-violent mentally ill was the right thing to do. The price was having them out for the world to see. Reagan didn't create the homeless, Liberals and Hollywood did. Better to rewrite history though, rather than admit they never considered the consequences.


I'm sorry to hear about your brother, but I'm astonished you'd place this in the 'casual banter' section.

Anyone with any exposure at all to the homeless realizes that virtually no one chooses homelessness. Most have fallen on desperate times and some have become mentally ill, some before, some after. And a great, great many are veterans who fought for our country and did not find the help they needed. If you've followed recent reports, you'll realize this situation has worsened, not improved, with the war in Iraq.

My father was a life-long Republican who never voted a split ticket in his life. However, he was sorely disappointed with Reagan's FUCK 'EM policies. He once said that Reagan's solution to the poor, sick, and homeless was to let them die, and poof! the problem goes away.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 2:05:47 PM   
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There are all sorts of people wandering our streets. Some of the homeless have simply chosen that life.

Changing the laws about institutionalizing the non-violent mentally ill was the right thing to do. The price was having them out for the world to see. Reagan didn't create the homeless, Liberals and Hollywood did. Better to rewrite history though, rather than admit they never considered the consequences.


I'm sorry to hear about your brother, but I'm astonished you'd place this in the 'casual banter' section.



He didn't place it here, the mods did.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 2:36:34 PM   
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Global warming?  I'd have to put on my tin-foil hat to run with that one but laws to try to stop what could be a natural phenomenon seem like a liberal solution to me.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 2:53:50 PM   
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Our old commanding general pointed out America's first liberals were Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, and that lot.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 3:17:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well in the late 70s and early 80s I worked in the CA State Hospital system as a Rehabilitation Therapist, which means I actually took the patients on boat rides and other outings like you saw on "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest."  And Labotomies were outlawed by then. 
But staff cutbacks, thanks to Raegan, were dire, and dangerous, resulting in a 35 percent injury rate on the last unit I worked, making it so dangerous I finally quit. 
Talk about putting people in straight jackets and soft ties, I did it daily, and it wasn't for S/M B&D pleasure, believe me. 
Through the years  I worked with all patient populations from mentally disordered sex offenders to the last group I worked with and the most unstable, the dual diagnosed, developmentally disabled with penal code tendencies who were also often psychotic. Many of them had extra chromosomes and thus were over 6'7" tall, the big guys as we called them.
We did not have the miracle meds back then either. 
I watched these people go off into the streets becoming "homeless," and thought, what a great solution that was for the community.  Especially with their hair trigger violent behavior problems. 
Even now, I often wander the streets and have on occasion been "hugged" or "eyed" by an ex patient who "remembers me" who then stands back (because it's been twenty five years )and says "sorry, must have been a mistake" mumbles, and moves on. 
And it's sad.  Because I never could implement the rehabilitation therapy and the ground cutting techniques I learned, thanks to the inadequate staff and funds the state allowed. 
Meanwhile many of these victims become our future inhabitants of jails, because if their meds aren't regulated properly they do break the laws enough time to end up in one sort of  institution or another.  And society pays for it, one way or another. 
Rather than having them become a part of society, even if in an institution, having them work, and having them pay for part of their treatment, something I always advocated, which always fell on deaf ears.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 4:01:44 PM   
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There are all sorts of people wandering our streets. Some of the homeless have simply chosen that life.


I'm sorry to hear about your brother, but I'm astonished you'd place this in the 'casual banter' section.

Anyone with any exposure at all to the homeless realizes that virtually no one chooses homelessness. Most have fallen on desperate times and some have become mentally ill, some before, some after. And a great, great many are veterans who fought for our country and did not find the help they needed.


       Not sure what prompted the shift of venue.  I could speculate but the Mods haven't e-mailed me with a reason.  It's not like I'm a paying customer in here.

       Choosing homelessness?  Yes, it does happen.  More often, it is a result of other choices, but the end result is the same.  I know enough people who found their personal bottom living under a bridge and made the slow climb back out.  My brother could get into some sort of program pretty easily if he would cooperate.  He doesn't want people telling him what to do, so he lives the way he does.

      For some (by no means all), it is a question of the quality of life they are willing to accept.  Vets have been conditioned to live under some pretty lousy circumstances as part of routine training.  That came in pretty handy the summer I spent living in a van after a particularly nasty break-up.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:39:51 PM   
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Not NAFTA, but with the base closeing around the country. When Clinton closed Fort Riley KS and moved the Big Red 1 to Germany 1500 silvians lost their jobs. It was loke that all over the US.


Dick Cheney was the one that headed up the recommendations to close those bases before Clinton even ran for the presidency.

Alan Toffler was the one that was commissioned by Reagan to see what kind of military we would need in the future... Clinton, like other presidents before him, simply implemented recommendations made before he was ever in the oval office.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:44:55 PM   
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Well if you are going that route, then they are also responsible for 9-11. Just ask Oral Roberts. cause that's what he said after 9-11 happen. Gays, lesbians, liberals, and pagans.


Are you suggesting the Oral Roberts has Flock Of Seagulls hair?

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:47:06 PM   
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Are you suggesting the Oral Roberts has Flock Of Seagulls hair?

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This is suspiciously like the comment about Pat Robertson's penis that you made the other night Daddy (). Oral (oral sex) and Roberts(on).... /shudders.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:48:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have offered to buy homeless people on the streets of Milwaukee dinner 8 times in the last 2 years. Not once was I taken up on the offer. What a shock, they wanted the money instead. I of course refused.. I guess they weren't hungary, maybe they were more thirsty..40 ounce beers are still cheap here...

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:51:41 PM   
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Why stop there?

Liberals are responsible for global warming, too.  And for the war in Iraq.  And for AIDS.

And it's actually a proven but little-known fact that liberals created all those bad hairstyles back in the 70's.

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Reagan didn't create the homeless, Liberals and Hollywood did.



Dont forget the mullets too.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:56:15 PM   
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I have offered to buy homeless people on the streets of Milwaukee dinner 8 times in the last 2 years. Not once was I taken up on the offer. What a shock, they wanted the money instead. I of course refused.. I guess they weren't hungary, maybe they were more thirsty..40 ounce beers are still cheap here...


A few years ago I tried to buy homeless people a nice Flock of Seagulls haircut, but they all seemed to want money or booze.

I dont get it.

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RE: It's Reagan's Fault!!! - 12/9/2006 6:59:23 PM   
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Well tonight when we went out to eat we saw a 40ish man with a flock of seagulls do and then he had a son  about 8 with a mini flock of seagulls do. We couldn't stop laughing. What is the world coming to?

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